The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Really weird seeing someone use "woke" without a hint of irony in the wild.

So, the consensus is we're going to the other side of the world this time around? I wonder if/how they're going to tie the expansion into the anniversary. My hope they update the way Allied Races are handled and make it something akin to how DnD does subraces. Like, you pick Dwarfs then decide with you want to be a Bronzebeard, Dark Iron, Wildhammer, or this new flavor we're probably run into. Also hope they add some fan favorite races like Ogres to the playable list too.

[Darkarath]

All is reduced to a simple question: are algarian earthen/dwarves allies or enemies? In both cases imho 11.0 will be a direct sequel to DF, I would guess something bad is going to happen (void related?) and we have to stop it, maybe it's happening in Avaloren and the algarian guys help us? Always assuming Khaz Algar is in Avaloren or below it

Probably there will be a group of enemies and a group of allies, as it has almost been the case with any race / group.

I do not know, I do not think that just going to a new landmass with the usual 4 zones would be enough this time around.

I hope that I am wrong but I think that 10.2 will make WoW lose quite some numbers already. If 11.0 brings no hype... bad bad bad.

[Pyrophax]

that's right. we assumed that Khaz Alagar was on Avaloren, but nowhere does it mention that it's there specifically
maybe...
maybe the world revamp is still a possibility after all...

And we have Dun Algaz at our Khaz Modan. Its entire possible that far below our mountains there will be last Uld station.
And btw Stormhammers mentioned not saying that its from Khaz Algar.
It famous, so its not new content. It is Wildhammer hammers. So world rewamp is real still.

[Catastrophy349]

I think from here on out I’m just going to read, not post. These comments are on fire.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

If we're the "usurper's children", and "spawn of a lesser god", that probably means they're referring to Yogg-Saron. In he eyes of the Void, he created mortals races with the Curse of Flesh. But why are they calling him a usurper?

So again, why call Yogg-Saron a usurper?

The usurpers seem to be the titans. I think the Klaxxi also call them that.

I’m expecting the Algarian Dwarves to be the cut Skardyn from Cataclysm that were supposed to be in Grim Batol.



It would make sense from what we know about them so far, especially if the rift the Earthen were sent to investigate turns out to be the remains of the 5th old god after all.

I don't think that's sensible. The skardyn exist and have existed in the lore for some time. They were in the novels. They have no connection to any unknown titan facilities and are instead corrupted Dark Iron dwarves from the time of Modgud.

[NikolaiShade]

Probably there will be a group of enemies and a group of allies, as it has almost been the case with any race / group.

I do not know, I do not think that just going to a new landmass with the usual 4 zones would be enough this time around.

I hope that I am wrong but I think that 10.2 will make WoW lose quite some numbers already. If 11.0 brings no hype... bad bad bad.

I think I'm just the odd one out but honestly the setting of an expansion has always been less important then the gameplay for me

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Dwarfclysm confirmed, thanks Towellie.

Hmmm

Do not engage.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I hope that I am wrong but I think that 10.2 will make WoW lose quite some numbers already. If 11.0 brings no hype... bad bad bad.

I didn't really touch 10.2 on ptr, waiting for release - does it have some new interesting gameplay stuff/features or it's mostly similar to what we already have?

[Teriz]

I think I'm just the odd one out but honestly the setting of an expansion has always been less important then the gameplay for me

A few people are just huffing and puffing because we’re not going to shadow world to punch void lords in the face.

[Sondrelk]

I think I'm just the odd one out but honestly the setting of an expansion has always been less important then the gameplay for me

For me setting means a whole lot. Gameplay is important of course, but if I don't enjoy the setting all that much I won't be able to enjoy the gameplay.

Prime example. BfA vs SL. I enjoyed the setting of BfA so much that I looked past far more flaws than I should have. Whereas I disliked the setting of SL enough that I could only barely managed to enjoy the significantly better gameplay.

[Nightshade711]

I don't think that's sensible. The skardyn exist and have existed in the lore for some time. They were in the novels. They have no connection to any unknown titan facilities and are instead corrupted Dark Iron dwarves from the time of Modgud.

To be fair, Khaz Algar/the rift itself doesn’t seem to be a Titan facility. I perceived it as just a sector of the planet.

[Sondrelk]

I didn't really touch 10.2 on ptr, waiting for release - does it have some new interesting gameplay stuff/features or it's mostly similar to what we already have?

So far it seems to just be more of the same, except in the Emerald Dream, which I imagine is the defining factor in dictating your enjoyment of the patch.

I like the theme and cosmetics, so I will likely enjoy it more than I did 10.1. Whereas someone who doesn't enjoy the theme will possibly be put off if they expected something more.

[Raetary]

I didn't really touch 10.2 on ptr, waiting for release - does it have some new interesting gameplay stuff/features or it's mostly similar to what we already have?

It's just a regular DF patch.
Campaign, side quests, world quests and the dream equivalent to the research camp event.

[Valysar]

It's just a regular DF patch.
Campaign, side quests, world quests and the dream equivalent to the research camp event.

With a lot, A LOT, of mounts/pets/xmogs farming (way more than 10.1)

[NikolaiShade]

For me setting means a whole lot. Gameplay is important of course, but if I don't enjoy the setting all that much I won't be able to enjoy the gameplay.

Prime example. BfA vs SL. I enjoyed the setting of BfA so much that I looked past far more flaws than I should have. Whereas I disliked the setting of SL enough that I could only barely managed to enjoy the significantly better gameplay.

Lol I was going to make the same example, only for me is reversed, I liked SL more than BfA. Not taking the story into account of course

[AOL Instant Messenger]

They were literally created by a curse left behind by Xal'atath, after she had abandoned the Dark Iron and thus causing them to lose a battle against the Wildhammer at Grim Batol.

So they are, by definition, her creation.

Yes, but I don't care whether they're a product of Xal'atath. I was just saying they can't be the Khaz Algar earthern because their history is entirely different.

To be fair, Khaz Algar/the rift itself doesn’t seem to be a Titan facility. I perceived it as just a sector of the planet.

Even then, they can't realistically be the Khaz Algar earthern because their history is entirely different and they came about long after Tyr died.

[NikolaiShade]

Yes, but I don't care whether they're a product of Xal'atath. I was just saying they can't be the Khaz Algar earthern because their history is entirely different.

Maybe both groups are present and we are going to face a civil d-war-f...


Edit: serious question, if I understand the story correctly there has been a "geological anomaly" in sector Ar-938, the keepers sent the earthen and then those same earthne became heretics, acting like dwarves but physically still earthen. It would be interesting to know what kind of anomaly was there. Maybe a "not-so-evil" old god or some void-related knowledge that made those earthen see the titans in a new light?

[huth]

That said, it leaves something to be said about Xal'atath and her powers. The Earthen at Khaz Algar probably got affected by her essence thousands of years ago, deep below the earth, as they investigated the fissure. Then later she died and ended up preserved within the dagger. In her "dagger-form", she was able to exert the same type of corrupting influence as she had previously, turning creatures with Earthen "DNA" into something different.

Way to many assumptions. Starting with that anomaly even having anything to do with Xal'atath. You're getting lost in your headcanon.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

this baby will take us to avaloren

[Sondrelk]

this baby will take us to avaloren

Maybe 11.0 will actually give us a Dwarf child model. Wouldn't that be something?