The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

What if "Storm Rider" is just the 11.0 version/variant of Dragonflight's "Dragon Rider." Hail, Storm Rider! Brace the storms of " ".

[KayRule]

What if "Storm Rider" is just the 11.0 version/variant of Dragonflight's "Dragon Rider." Hail, Storm Rider! Brace the storms of " ".

It probably is based on the Bronze, Silver, Gold achievements. The fact those achievements are in the Promotion category though probably indicates some sort of limited Event, perhaps some sort of lead up or pre-patch holiday involving Dragonracing tied to the next expansion?

[Chickat]

I want Avaloren to have 3 large zones above ground 2 large underground zones.

A forest zone, an icy mountain zone, and a swamp zone and then a traditional cave like zone and and end game Suramar style zone that's crystal caverns with azerite waterfalls. One or both of the cave zones would have titan runes. The major capital city is Ironforge 2.0 in the mountain zone.

Add player housing and ai story dungeons and raids and i think the expansion would be good enough that i wouldnt be as disappointed by no world revamp.

[Cheezits]

I want Avaloren to have 3 large zones above ground 2 large underground zones.

A forest zone, an icy mountain zone, and a swamp zone and then a traditional cave like zone and and end game Suramar style zone that's crystal caverns with azerite waterfalls. One or both of the cave zones would have titan runes. The major capital city is Ironforge 2.0 in the mountain zone.

Add player housing and ai story dungeons and raids and i think the expansion would be good enough that i wouldnt be as disappointed by no world revamp.

I'm starting to think the Dwarves aren't nice guys, especially if they are with Xal'atath, unless its Suramar 2.0 and we free them. Either way we wouldn't have them as a capital.

Maybe the capital cities are Amirdrassil/Darnassus 2 and Silvermoon? That would explain why they have new boats that aren't in any BGs (so they aren't just HD BG assets, unless they make a new BG with Night Elf and Belf boats for some reason)

[Chickat]

Honestly, the big question to me now is the existence of 10.3. Because Blizzard would have to be pretty confident in Avaloren being a slam dunk to make players accept slower expansions being the likely outcome going forward. Even more so when they talked about how proud they were to have an 8 week patch cadence.

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I would guess Storm Infused somehow.

I dont think the lack of 10.3 would necessarily lead to a long wait.

February. 10.2.5
May 10.2.7 with fated season.
October prepatch
November release

Sure there isnt a patch every 2 months but are we really expecting a new patch every 2 months at the end of the expansion? They could also shorten the wait with a potential Summer August or September release.

Also season 4 may not have wny new raids but would likely have some new outdoor content like they said.

I really dont think a 5 or 6 month final season with all 3 raids and some new outdoor content at the scope of say forbidden reach is a bad thing.

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I'm starting to think the Dwarves aren't nice guys, especially if they are with Xal'atath, unless its Suramar 2.0 and we free them. Either way we wouldn't have them as a capital.

Maybe the capital cities are Amirdrassil/Darnassus 2 and Silvermoon? That would explain why they have new boats that aren't in any BGs (so they aren't just HD BG assets, unless they make a new BG with Night Elf and Belf boats for some reason)

The one leak did say something about Tauren? Maybe a tauren capital like a souped up version of high mountain or thunder bluff. Or there could be 2 factions of the dwarves and one of the zones is an huge twice the size of Suramar city with us having a decent sized base in the good dwarf section abd then having the first raid be like siege of Ironforge or that cats dwarf dungeon who's name is escaping me.

[KayRule]

The one leak did say something about Tauren? Maybe a tauren capital like a souped up version of high mountain or thunder bluff. Or there could be 2 factions of the dwarves and one of the zones is an huge twice the size of Suramar city with us having a decent sized base in the good dwarf section abd then having the first raid be like siege of Ironforge or that cats dwarf dungeon who's name is escaping me.

The Eclispe "leak" is fake. It conflates two different lore texts that contradict each other for it's Moon-Dwarves, because it's going off of Bellular's interpretation.

[KayRule]

Yogg-Saron's domain is roughly underneath Northrend, the Dragon Isles, and northern Lordaeron. That's where his influence spreads.

And Uldaman is.....nowhere near any of these?

[flan1337]

Yeah, they are to cancel retail due to lack of interest.

Really. What do YOU think would happen?

I doubt they pull any announcement because it will all be streamed and that is where the real advertising is at. Everything is set in stone 30 days out basically from the event. IDK just the really low engagement for Blizzcon must have some future impact - but probably really doesn't matter as it being free to watch online will probably drive crazy numbers.

If anything maybe blizzcon next year will be only digital or scaled back physically.

[Chickat]

I'm worried with the "Frontier" naming convention that we'll attempt to colonize Avaloren, with the updated models serving villages, but I'll hold out some hope

Yep and we important player characters get to build our own house.

The theme is whatever but Blizzard has to have a killer feature if they want players back. I can think of only 2. World revamp or player housing. Both at the same time would be ideal.

[KayRule]

Yep and we important player characters get to build our own house.

The theme is whatever but Blizzard has to have a killer feature if they want players back. I can think of only 2. World revamp or player housing. Both at the same time would be ideal.

I think you vastly underestimate how much work either one of those would be to think it is possible both would ever happen at the same time.

[huth]

How can I not grasp it when I have iterated that multiple times? Yes, because their different groups. They are both referred to as Earthen in the text, by the Titans, and they are informing us that the Earthen from Uldaman are the ones we know as Dwarves, and these Earthen are different but developing the same culture and language. The Uldaman Earthen aren't still Earthen even though the Titan text keeps referring to them as such. Terez constantly derailing shit to say Dwarves = / = Earthen is meaningless because he's not integrating the text beyond literal transcription.

That's not my point, though. The Khaz Algan Earthen are treated as a distinct seperate group from the "Dwarf" Earthen, even by the Keepers.

[maplesyrupgl]

One thing worth noting, is Dwarves are one of the few classic races who still haven't had their building assets updated.

Almost all others have over the past few expansions.

Humans: WoD Garrison, Arathi Warfront
Orcs: WoD Garrison, Arathi Warfront, WSG
Trolls: Some updated troll buildings in Zuldazar
Gnomes: Mechagon
Nelves: Val'Sharah, Darkshore Warfront, WSG
Tauren: Highmountain buildings have the same layout, just need a resking

Which means this could be the final step in updating all the world assets in preparation for a world revamp

[KayRule]

The titanforged migrated/fled south IIRC, to hide the Discs of Norgannon.

The curse originated from the Forge of Wills.

Yes. The Curse of Flesh infected the Forge of Wills, the beings created by the Titans were always slowly succumbing. It didn't require them to be in Northerend for it to happen.

The text says these Earthen were sent by the Watchers to the fissure. The fissure didn't create "curse of flesh like effects". They had the Curse of Flesh.

I'm confused as to why you think they were changed by the fissure and not the curse of flesh simply because they weren't in Northerend. The text even says they were effected by the Curse of Flesh, explicitly. The fissure only seemed to cause them to whether the physical transformation.

Do you see where you're maybe crossing wires?

[Berkilak]

Dragonmaw customizations have been conspicuously dodged with each Orc customization pass…

[huth]

Yes. The Curse of Flesh infected the Forge of Wills, the beings created by the Titans were always slowly succumbing. It didn't require them to be in Northerend for it to happen.

The text says these Earthen were sent by the Watchers to the fissure. The fissure didn't create "curse of flesh like effects". They had the Curse of Flesh.

I'm confused as to why you think they were changed by the fissure and not the curse of flesh simply because they weren't in Northerend. The text even says they were effected by the Curse of Flesh, explicitly. The fissure only seemed to cause them to whether the physical transformation.

Do you see where you're maybe crossing wires?

Not all Titanforged have the curse. There's even a group of Earthen right in Northrend near Ulduar.

You seem to constantly miss the part where the text compares and contrasts the Khaz Algan Earthen to those affected by the curse.

[KayRule]

That's not my point, though. The Khaz Algan Earthen are treated as a distinct seperate group from the "Dwarf" Earthen, even by the Keepers.

Yes, I agree, and that's fine. My original post you responded to for this chain of replies is that I don't know why Terez keeps derailing people with "Earthen = / Dwarves" like it means something. The Dwarves of Khaz Modan are not Earthen, and whatever these Earthen in Khaz Algar became are also not Earthen. Earthen is just their shared progenitor, and I'm not sure what point he's trying to make constantly undercutting conversation to remind us this, when often the response he's saying to this shows they know this too. It really seems like Terez has decided through their misinterpretation that the Khaz Algar race are called Earthen and is feverishly correcting anyone.

[Cheezits]

One thing worth noting, is Dwarves are one of the few classic races who still haven't had their building assets updated.

Almost all others have over the past few expansions.

Humans: WoD Garrison, Arathi Warfront
Orcs: WoD Garrison, Arathi Warfront, WSG
Trolls: Some updated troll buildings in Zuldazar
Gnomes: Mechagon
Nelves: Val'Sharah, Darkshore Warfront, WSG
Tauren: Highmountain buildings have the same layout, just need a resking

Which means this could be the final step in updating all the world assets in preparation for a world revamp

Yeah, I noted that too. However it could mean they are updated at the same time. However they haven't really done HD Forsaken stuff besides a couple tents/props and their ship model.

Though I think they are likely going to update Gilnean and Goblin stuff, as Mists seems to be the one graphical era they think is the standard.

[KayRule]

Not all Titanforged have the curse. There's even a group of Earthen right in Northrend near Ulduar.

You seem to constantly miss the part where the text compares and contrasts the Khaz Algan Earthen to those affected by the curse.

I have explicitly brought up both of these elements, every response to my posts you seem to be intentionally ignoring everything I'm saying.

Worldshaper is incorrectly stating these Khaz Algan are not afflicted by the Curse of Flesh, but became "dwarf-like" in culture and language from a different source, when that's not what happened. The titan text explicitly says they were effected by the Curse of Flesh, and in those same ways developed the same ways as the dwarves, but physically "weathered" the transformation and remained physiologically different. The fissures anamoluos elements did not create similar mutations to the Curse of Flesh like Worldshaper theorized, it suppressed them.

And yes, there are Earthen in Northerend. You again are not reading what I'm typing. Claims were made that the Curse of Flesh only effects those in Northerend, which has been demonstrably not true since titan forged whove migrated all over still changed long after leaving Northerend.

[Revamp Man]

How would they explain a full world revamp again?

A 3 year expansion hap because it takes a ton of work if they don't do it bit by bit which is seemingly unacceptable to this forum because God forbid blizz doesn't go balls deep and finish something like that in a year instead of expanding revamped zones in patches so we don't have 5k new quests at once

[Cheezits]

Wait, holy shit. Waiiiiiiiit.

We get Avaloren and Khaz Algar right? Both are namedropped at the same time, at the same dungeon, but the two are never connected in any way. Khaz Algar is highly likely to have a relation to the Void, per the Naga book saying that creatures are dwelling in the deep places and working for the Harbinger/Xal.

But we never have direct confirmation that Avaloren is the same place. In fact, all we know is that there are heretics, and that can mean a lot of things to the titans.

What if... they are in two different places, like BFA, and one is Light themed and one is Void themed? Avaloren being Light themed would make a lot of sense due to the Camelot name and play into a partial Light and Void expac that allows for more theming than just focusing on one or the other.