The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Honestly, the more we talk about Avaloren, the more it just sounds like DF 10.3. And I'm not sure whether it's intentional or not.

Titan keepers of dubious moral character. Potential Old God influence. Elementals. Uncharted lands. Etc.

The Algarian gryphon is a damning piece of evidence, but still. It just sounds to me like Dragonflight, except Dragons replaced with Dwarves.

[Marlamin]

I'm worried with the "Frontier" naming convention that we'll attempt to colonize Avaloren, with the updated models serving villages, but I'll hold out some hope

Keep in mind the Frontier stuff (name based on a single building model) is from pre/very early Dragonflight development and could have been a part of that too. There is nothing linking it to 11.0 or an indication of it being future content outside of the assumption that the new models (including the Frontier Inn) will be used for something sometime.

[milkmustache]

Keep in mind the Frontier stuff (name based on a single building model) is from pre/very early Dragonflight development and could have been a part of that too. There is nothing linking it to 11.0 or an indication of it being future content outside of the assumption that these models will be used for something sometime.

Very true. It feels like it could only be tied to a revamp, but Garrison 2.0 feels real too.

[Cheezits]

Honestly, the more we talk about Avaloren, the more it just sounds like DF 10.3. And I'm not sure whether it's intentional or not.

Titan keepers of dubious moral character. Potential Old God influence. Elementals. Uncharted lands. Etc.

The Algarian gryphon is a damning piece of evidence, but still. It just sounds to me like Dragonflight, except Dragons replaced with Dwarves.

We're probably missing 3/4 of the new island area that could be filled with other themes, but Titans and OC newlore island are pretty damning.

Hope to god the Factions are used.

[Harbour]

Please, be not an Elemental expansion. It sucks after Dragonfilght, really sucks. Also not Muh Wooondz again, we just had BFA.

[Worldshaper]

Honestly, the more we talk about Avaloren, the more it just sounds like DF 10.3. And I'm not sure whether it's intentional or not.

Titan keepers of dubious moral character. Potential Old God influence. Elementals. Uncharted lands. Etc.

The Algarian gryphon is a damning piece of evidence, but still. It just sounds to me like Dragonflight, except Dragons replaced with Dwarves.

Which isn't at all unprecedented, it should be said. We doubted 7.0 would be about the Legion after all the Fel stuff in WoD.

Then we doubted 9.0 would be about Sylvanas, with a third flicking Sylvanas cinematic in a row.

[Sondrelk]

Very true. It feels like it could only be tied to a revamp, but Garrison 2.0 feels real too.

Garrisons 2.0 would certainly be, interesting...

The assets might be there, but most of the features of a Garrison are ones that everyone agrees would be bad for the game.

Player housing maybe, I just hope it wouldn't be locked to Avaloren in that case. Would all but kill it completely for future expansions.

[Nymrohd]

Please, be not an Elemental expansion. It sucks after Dragonfilght, really sucks. Also not Muh Wooondz again, we just had BFA.

I would hope that if they use Magni, they rethink his voice acting a bit.

[ro9ue]

I'm going to make one obscure call for this expansion now that I'm pretty sure elements is the theme. Monks are one of the least popular classes in the game, and I think a huge issue with them is their theme is so closely tied with Pandaria that it doesnt fit many other non-pandaren races that well. I always wanted like Loa for troll or elemental for orc or something.

In Dragonflight there was this random meditating tauren NPC with 4 elemental orbs floating around him - a potential hint. Coincidentally ( intentionally?), the celestials line up perfectly with the 4 elements, and this could make a really cool "Green fire" skin for monks, substituting any celestial aesthetic with elements:

Chi-Ji, the Red Crane -> Fire
Niuzao, the Black Ox -> Earth
Xuen, the White Tiger -> Air
Yu'lon, the Jade Serpent -> Water

[Worldshaper]

By the way, it wouldn't surprise me if they've got an expansion-neutral HD update coming to both Classic and Retail next year (perhaps announced at BlizzCon).

But then on top of that, a few years down the line we get a more thorough "revamp" of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms in retail, with new quests, updated landmasses, etc.

[Ferlion]

Maybe there won't be Dragonriding at all, and it'll be a new type of mount. It's like a mount that curls up and bounces off shit, getting faster and faster, and you get buttons to like aim it or redirect it.

We could call it

Boulderdashing

[Nymrohd]

Garrisons 2.0 would certainly be, interesting...

The assets might be there, but most of the features of a Garrison are ones that everyone agrees would be bad for the game.

Player housing maybe, I just hope it wouldn't be locked to Avaloren in that case. Would all but kill it completely for future expansions.

It could just be base building. Not a house, not contained to a single zone. Maybe Avaloren has massive and very empty zones and part of the expac is that we build bases on it.
Instead of having everything be produced in the Garrison, have the Garrisons be resource hogs that constantly require you to be out in the world, stopping threats and collecting resources.

[Ersula]

I think they will have to heavily lean into Titan/Wrath themes, Dwarfs by themselves can't carry an expansion. But so far they are all we have.

They add new subraces every expansion. Like the new Centaur & Tuskarr in Dragonflight.

But why would the weapons of a "Stormrider" be renowned across Azeroth if it refers to a zone we don't even know about. It would make sense if it has to do with the Wildhammer. Heck the Stormrider title is already common among dwarven NPCs.

I think its safe to assume a Stormrider is the lightning-bolt hurling gryphon rider from the RTS games. It's a traditional form of Dwarven combat.

[Valhalladin]

Some interesting facts while researching.

Maggarrak is an Earth Elemental in Hillsbrad - Lil Magz

In Northrend there is a king of storm giants called Gymer, who has you kill.. you guessed it.. Algar

[Sondrelk]

Which isn't at all unprecedented, it should be said. We doubted 7.0 would be about the Legion after all the Fel stuff in WoD.

Then we doubted 9.0 would be about Sylvanas, with a third flicking Sylvanas cinematic in a row.

Past Draenor to current Broken Isles was a pretty significant leap though.
I do however suspect that 6.2 being so heavily Legion themed contributed to Fel fatigue in Legion.

I mean, DF and Avaloren sound suspiciously similar at this point honestly. I would almost suspect they were originally one concept and got stretched into two.

[Reive]

blizzard needs to be careful with the theme of the next expansion. they might make many quit the game

[Sauredfangs]

I think maybe Runemaster class might fit a titan centered expansion.

[Xilurm]

I'm worried with the "Frontier" naming convention that we'll attempt to colonize Avaloren, with the updated models serving villages, but I'll hold out some hope

There's gonna be like 5 people who loudly complain if that's the case lol. Rest won't care.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

blizzard needs to be careful with the theme of the next expansion. they might make many quit the game

We're kind of too late, enjoy the chaos.

[Revamp Man]

For leveling it makes sense if every other expansion is the starter experience since they are linked

For example it makes no sense for SL to be a new players leveling experience because the build up is in BfA as opposed to DF where it has no connection to SL and BfA serves as the default because they didn't think things through