

What would the totems be? Probably look a lot like all the recolored weapon models we’ve been getting. Gaudy, metallic, magic glows. Could be a lot of fun “Incarnate” themes there. Maybe some nods to them for each totem. I would totally play a Dracthyr Druid too, although I think I wouldn’t love just a bunch more dragon alternate forms.
I didn't think about that. The Achievements have been decrypted but has anyone detected the actual encrypted items that would come from the pre-order? And when they were first added to retail? If they're not in the game yet that might point to 10.2 coming out before Blizzcon.
Also @Teriz I'll throw you/everyone here an unprompted bone that hopefully won't get me in trouble as long as Ian doesn't post it on Twitter, there are signs of an encrypted dynamic flying non-customizable mount that is not based on the snow elemental model but does have some elemental/wind like textures used throughout Dragonflight tied to it.
No direct ties, just a bunch of unused textures that are shared by other elemental models/spells from Dragonflight close to a mysterious model that has ties to a mysterious mount that has no customization but does have signs of dynamic flight. It started being added around 10.0.7 and got some updates around 10.1.5 ish, but it is not tied to the 11.0 preorder key (aka the mount under the same key as the Algarian Stormrider achievement), but.. who knows?
Don't use it as hard evidence, but it does seem like there's a "windy" mount that has yet gone unused. Hopefully this shows that I'm not exactly biased towards/against any specific theory, but like going off what I can see in the game files instead, and this is one of those things.
Yup, everything under the pre-order key was added in 10.1.7 and is present in retail (which is also why some of it was wrongly available through the web API). This doesn't mean they could add yet more stuff in 10.2.0, though (if it releases before the pre-order does).
Achievements are still encrypted, all of the other stuff shared under the same key is also still encrypted, one of the web API endpoints just didn't filter out encrypted stuff which just exposed achievement names/categories for these.
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Gonna guess the wind model Marlamamin just mentioned is still the Gryphon, it just won't be customizable.
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I mean I've been working under the assumption of a post Blizzcon 10.2 for a while now. If they're selling preorders right after announcement they have to be in 10.1.7 ready to go.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again; Just because some around here view dragonflight as an elemental expansion doesn't mean that Blizzard does. Further, just because elements may take center stage that doesn't mean that other sub themes won't also exist as well in 11.0.
You mean the expansion mount. The expansion mount is almost always tied to the expansion theme. For example, the Tangled Dreamweaver was a dragon. Dragonflight is a dragon expansion. Enscolled Everywyrm was an anima wyrm. Anima was a consistent thematic in Shadowlands. The Kul'tiran and Zandalar mounts clearly signified the faction war in BFA. The Illidari Felstalker from Legion was a demon and tied to Demon Hunters. etc. etc. etc.The elemental mount can be discarded because Blizzcon mounts don't share themes with the expansion and tend to just be whatever, and regardles it is completely overdone with "Gryphons are the one non-dragon skeleton mount that has dragonriding animations", suggesting that it is, in fact, a gryphon.
If the expansion mount is an elemental, then it simply aligns with Thrall being on the key art. It also helps that in the same datamined material, we got the elemental sounding battle pets Squally and Fyrn, "storm riding" achievements, and we also got this from Blizzard;
Which just happens to show an elemental.
That is all supported by the Chinese predictor who predicted the last few expansions accurately (he stated that 11.0 would be elemental), and Toweliee saying the next expansion would be underground.
If you have evidence to counter that, by all means I'm more than willing to listen.
The character that shows up in the pre-announcement key art never shows up on the cover of the actual expansion. Alexstraza was the cover character for Dragonflight. Also while Neltharion is dead, his presence lingers throughout the expansion, especially in regards to the storyline involving the black dragon flight and the dracthyr. That said, there was no key art for 2021/2022 due to COVID, so that one is a wash. However, it doesn't change the fact that from WoD to Shadowlands the pre-announcement key art gave us a strong hint of what was to come in the upcoming expansion.Yes, I am aware Neltharion is Deathwing. We don't actually encounter Neltharion in this expansion because he's dead. We do run into the shadows of his presence and fight a Faceless One using his image as a disguise, but Neltharion himself is dead and gone. Alextrasza is the key dragon image character, not him. Heck, the only time we see Deathwing proper is during that quest as Tyr
Do we know of a landmass that should be in that glaring gap between Pandaria and Eastern Kingdoms? I don't think Khaz Algar belongs there since it needs to be a "great distance" from Uldaman, but something else might.

Thank you for the information. I hope you don't believe that I use anything I've stated as hard evidence. I simply use it as evidence that could go one way or another depending on new evidence that pops up at a later time that could support or contradict it. I've never said that an elemental expansion is 100% going to happen. I've simply said that based on the evidence I'm seeing, an elemental expansion looks very likely.

I'd go with the Bermuda leak because he only posted it here and didn't make a shitty thread for it like everyone else lol

The main villain we were introduced to were the Primalists, who use elementals. The World Bosses in the standard zone are elementally themed dragons. The main antagonists each have their respective element of choice. There was a god damn Elemental Council fight in the very first raid that half the teams in LFR can't stick the bloody lightning bolts on the spikes for
How are elementals not a theme of this expansion?
"Elementals" are a massive theme and part of Dragonflight, and to say "Oh yeah there's going to be another elemental focused expansion right after" draws immediate thoughts of elemental fatigue, the same way orc fatigue fit WoD hard.
Very simple: We have no evidence that there is an elemental mount
1: The elemental rig in question does not have Dragonriding animations, the go-to main flight thing they're using going forward. Gryphons mysterious did receive dragonriding animations recently. If the elemental rig was being used, why wasn't it updated with this?
2: Blizzcon mounts do not share models or animations with the ones for the heroic edition. Mind we only have three mounts to go from, but the Big Blizzard Bear and the two ship rigs weren't used for any heroic edition mount. So we can pretty soundly discard the idea they're going to re-use the same rig
3: The Chinese speculator is based purely on speculation and historic trends that we've made fun of ourselves. For example, he specifically notes 'Lich King' as the theme for Shadowlands. Which.... It wasn't. It was a realm of death expansion. Likewise he's saying BfA, which was very specifically a faction war expansion, was the Old God expansion which.... I mean, it had Old Gods in it but the vast majority of the expansion was the faction war. The problem is they're speculating widely enough that people will fit the reality into the words given. It is very easy to say at that, given its just speculation based on previous trends, that the elemental stuff from whenever that was posted was merged into Dragonflight given, y'know. Shadowlands. In essence, his stuff is only 'right' until proven wrong, and the idea at hand is the 're-doing old expansion ideas' which has been speculation for years anyway. But the post is that old and, is in of itself merely speculation, that things could have quite easily changed given, once again, the sheer failure of Shadowlands. And, well, the 'speculation' is just the old "They're just remaking every new expansion". In which case he's wrong on the speculation. Because if Shadowlands is the Wrath equivilent, then this is the Cata equivilent so the next one should be the MoP equivilant.
4: There is an unused gryphon texture that has been in the game for a while. This texture does not fit with any of the three gryphon rigs in-game, and due to featuring multiple beak variants, suggests it is being used for some form of dragonriding-like customisation system. Gryphons have been associated with the Wildhammer and their stormhammers, a very simple connection with storms
5: The "Storm Riding" achievements are all in the manner of Dragonriding races and suggest the addition of a new dragonriding race. The lack of Reverse or Advanced versions of the course is something suggesting it is a limited time one, or locked to an event.
6: Blizzcon mounts do not have to fit with the theme of the expansion. Year after year, the pets have been some sort of murloc, yes, but Blizzcon mounts can be whatever they want. The airships are based off an old Wrath boss fight that only played the role of setpieces in BfA. Given the mount is an ice elemental and the company is called Blizzard, it seems more like that's because.... Its Blizzard. A self-referntial mount for laughs. See also the bear mount, the Big Blizzard Bear, another case of using that ice theme.
7: Thrall is not only associated with elementals. While certainly a part of his theme, it isn't the strongest part. His main themes are uniting the orcs and leading them to a new future. Given a certain Windrunner, certainly something relevant at the moment. He could represent a World Revamp, trying to help the Horde recovery after the last few expansions. He could represent a Light v Void expansion, trying to hold stability against the equally bad forces of the Army of the Light and the Void Lords. He could represent a revitalised Outland expansion, the original home of the orcs that he's could try to help restore (which also has mention recently from the Netherwing about the situation there). There's so many places you can get to with Thrall you cannot just 100% guarantee a single one of them
8: While you do deny it yourself, there is no questioning that the villains in this current expansion have a significantly elemental theme to them, to the point one of the elemental lords is showing up alongside an old Cata faction of elementally themed druids. Having a second elementally themed expansion, right after one that is already very highly elementally focused, is bad marketting because its just the same. Throwing Ragnaros in there isn't going to get people excited about 'oh man what will the elements bring', we'll be complaining we just did several months of Emerald Dream and we're all tired of Firelands 2.0 and no we don't want a third attempt at it, give us something New. Because, that's an expansion's job. Expand the game. Bring in something new to drag people in.
Thrall by himself doesn't mean anything. It is a mirror one reflect's one desires into. But, its just Thrall.
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It's mostly just "unclear" and with no direct ties I can't tell where shared textures end and where other unrelated unused textures begin, so this is mostly educated guesswork. Broadly speaking storm/air/wind elementals, primalist totems and generic wind spell effects.
~see later post~
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They're a theme, but not the main theme.
Demons were a major theme in WoD, especially in the latter half of the expansion. We still ended up getting Legion right afterwards. Sylvanas was a major player throughout BFA and even appeared in the opening cinematic. She remained a major player in Shadowlands and showed up in that cinematic as well. Blizzard seems to be having pairs of expansions bleed into each other. Dragonflight is highly likely to bleed into 11.0 storywise and thematically."Elementals" are a massive theme and part of Dragonflight, and to say "Oh yeah there's going to be another elemental focused expansion right after" draws immediate thoughts of elemental fatigue, the same way orc fatigue fit WoD hard.
The mount is literally called the Algarian Stormrider. That is evidence that it is an elemental.Very simple: We have no evidence that there is an elemental mount
The heroic mount for Dragonflight was a dragon, and it didn't have dragonriding animations either.1: The elemental rig in question does not have Dragonriding animations, the go-to main flight thing they're using going forward. Gryphons mysterious did receive dragonriding animations recently. If the elemental rig was being used, why wasn't it updated with this?
It is doubtful that its going to share the model or animations of that ice elemental, since it's likely a storm elemental and could very well be using an entirely new model with new animations.2: Blizzcon mounts do not share models or animations with the ones for the heroic edition. Mind we only have three mounts to go from, but the Big Blizzard Bear and the two ship rigs weren't used for any heroic edition mount. So we can pretty soundly discard the idea they're going to re-use the same rig
TBF, Bolvar was on the cover of Shadowlands, and he is the Lich King. Further we accessed the Shadowlands by destroying the Lich King's crown. There were other Lich King elements in that expansion as well, so it's not like he was completely off with that prediction. As for the remaking old expansions theory, there is some truth to it. WoD and Legion completed TBC's story. BFA and SL completed WotlK's story. There is evidence that Dragonflight and 11.0 will complete Cataclysm's story. We're already halfway there with the aspects getting their powers back.3: The Chinese speculator is based purely on speculation and historic trends that we've made fun of ourselves. For example, he specifically notes 'Lich King' as the theme for Shadowlands. Which.... It wasn't. It was a realm of death expansion. Likewise he's saying BfA, which was very specifically a faction war expansion, was the Old God expansion which.... I mean, it had Old Gods in it but the vast majority of the expansion was the faction war. The problem is they're speculating widely enough that people will fit the reality into the words given. It is very easy to say at that, given it's just speculation based on previous trends, that the elemental stuff from whenever that was posted was merged into Dragonflight given, y'know. Shadowlands. In essence, his stuff is only 'right' until proven wrong, and the idea at hand is the 're-doing old expansion ideas' which has been speculation for years anyway. But the post is that old and, is in of itself merely speculation, that things could have quite easily changed given, once again, the sheer failure of Shadowlands. And, well, the 'speculation' is just the old "They're just remaking every new expansion". In which case he's wrong on the speculation. Because if Shadowlands is the Wrath equivilent, then this is the Cata equivilent so the next one should be the MoP equivilant.
But they've never been called Stormriders, and it is doubtful that the expansion mount has been datamined to that extent. Last time we only datamined a single texture from the dragon flight expansion mount.4: There is an unused gryphon texture that has been in the game for a while. This texture does not fit with any of the three gryphon rigs in-game, and due to featuring multiple beak variants, suggests it is being used for some form of dragonriding-like customisation system. Gryphons have been associated with the Wildhammer and their stormhammers, a very simple connection with storms
Cool. My main point is that "Storm riding" is elemental themed.5: The "Storm Riding" achievements are all in the manner of Dragonriding races and suggest the addition of a new dragonriding race. The lack of Reverse or Advanced versions of the course is something suggesting it is a limited time one, or locked to an event.
You're right, they don't have to, but they have in the past. BFA's mounts for example did represent the upcoming faction conflict for example.6: Blizzcon mounts do not have to fit with the theme of the expansion. Year after year, the pets have been some sort of murloc, yes, but Blizzcon mounts can be whatever they want. The airships are based off an old Wrath boss fight that only played the role of setpieces in BfA. Given the mount is an ice elemental and the company is called Blizzard, it seems more like that's because.... Its Blizzard. A self-referntial mount for laughs. See also the bear mount, the Big Blizzard Bear, another case of using that ice theme.
Saying that the elements isn't the strongest part of Thrall's theme is like saying that magic isn't the strongest part of Jaina's theme. I mean he united the Orcs through Shamanism. Shamanism is a big part of what makes Thrall who and what he is. The other problem with believing that it's something besides elements is the datamined stuff that is likely from 11.0 that is very clearly elemental themed.7: Thrall is not only associated with elementals. While certainly a part of his theme, it isn't the strongest part. His main themes are uniting the orcs and leading them to a new future. Given a certain Windrunner, certainly something relevant at the moment. He could represent a World Revamp, trying to help the Horde recovery after the last few expansions. He could represent a Light v Void expansion, trying to hold stability against the equally bad forces of the Army of the Light and the Void Lords. He could represent a revitalised Outland expansion, the original home of the orcs that he's could try to help restore (which also has mention recently from the Netherwing about the situation there). There's so many places you can get to with Thrall you cannot just 100% guarantee a single one of them
We had Gul'dan in WoD and Legion, and we had Sylvanas in BFA and Shadowlands. Iridikron is probably following suit and will also be a major antagonist in 11.0. An elemental dragon seems to fit the situation quite well.8: While you do deny it yourself, there is no questioning that the villains in this current expansion have a significantly elemental theme to them, to the point one of the elemental lords is showing up alongside an old Cata faction of elementally themed druids. Having a second elementally themed expansion, right after one that is already very highly elementally focused, is bad marketting because it's just the same. Throwing Ragnaros in there isn't going to get people excited about 'oh man what will the elements bring', we'll be complaining we just did several months of Emerald Dream and we're all tired of Firelands 2.0 and no we don't want a third attempt at it, give us something New. Because, that's an expansion's job. Expand the game. Bring in something new to drag people in.
So you're saying there aren't inherent themes within the character? That's laughable.Thrall by himself doesn't mean anything. It is a mirror one reflect's one desires into. But, it's just Thrall.
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Here's a few confirmed ones (based of questlines from Heritage Armor quests, Allied Race acquisitions, and other additional questlines):
- The Cult of Ragnaros making a return to topple Moira as Queen of the Dark Irons and return it to the old Monarchy by trying to bring back Ragnaros and restarting the pact their former king made with the Firelord. (This is lead by High Justice Grimstone [that one dark iron dwarf we meet in the arena in Blackrock Depths that we never dealt with).
- The Scarlet Crusade returning in a larger force and occupying Fenris Isle, the Forsaken dealt with some of them, but the rest escaped including two named high-ranking officials named Crusader Alrick (Champion of the Scarlet Crusade), Inquisitor Fairbell, and Huntmaster Scarborgh. All three of these named NPCs may be replacements to other familiar named NPCs in the Scarlet Monastery like High Inquisitor Whitemane, Renault Mograine (his successor Commander Durand in the MoP version), and Houndmaster Loksey (Houndmaster Braun in MoP).
--[The interesting thing is that the Scarlet's were using Fenris Isle as their base of operation against the Forsaken, but before that.. that island was under the Bloodfang Pack's jurisdiction in BFA and it was re-affirmed in the Exploring Azeroth: Eastern Kingdoms book.]- Similarly, Southshore was retaken by the Alliance (via BFA Mission Table) and is undergoing the clean up and restoration (according to Shaw's notes in Exploring Azeroth)
- When the Scourge went rampant, they attacked Lakeshire in great numbers. It's unknown how much damage was done, but several people including the Blacksmith, did die when the Scourge attacked.
- When we recruited the Mag'har Orcs, we didn't just bring only them with us... We brought other races like Ogres, Gronn, Goren, Saberon, and Botani. The Gronn and Ogres stayed with the Mag'har while the Goren fled to Durotar while the Saberon and Botani fled to Northern Barrens.
- In the Orc heritage armor quest, the player meets with the Spirit of Thunder Ridge, Owa'nohe, to aid her and receive a blessing of the land. Gathering seeds from the flooded ridge and planting them near Owa'nohe's remains.. This will allow Thunder Ridge to grow trees and the Thunder Lizards will return to the land again.
This is only the newly added stuff. There's also the Mission Table Quests from BFA in relation to the achievement known as Azeroth At War which detail a list of different quests from Kalimdor to Eastern Kingdoms, establishing which areas the Horde and Alliance are occupying. I'm not gonna list all of them because the current list is big enough as it is and having to look through the other unfinished plots from Cata is going to take a while to check each one... but the most prominent one being Bael Modan in the Southern Barrens.
The only one I'm unsure about is that the Human Heritage Armor quest resolved the issues that the Defias had and we probably won't be seeing the Defias again. Though, it does point out the corruption behind the Stormwind Nobility and that there's a chance they might mess everything up depending on how deep the corruption is.