The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

I still really want the person who made this to come forward and explain why they didn't just print out the pictures and put them on a real board instead of photoshopping a fake one.

Maybe its real but they did that to make us think it was fake. 800 IQ.

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I want revamp to happen but the moment when it won't be announced, will be quite a sight when it comes to social media.

I dropped my hopium % for that to 0,01% so i will be very happy and surprised if it happens.

So far they are hyping this stuff like the biggest thing ever - of course it's just pure marketing, but it just feels like they are really "loud" about it this time.

Even if its not a World Revamp, I think its likely to be huge and heavily Marketed. They want it to be as hype as Legion or WoD, and it probably will have Legion levels of effort. Its going to be a good xpac imo either way. It has to be.

[Woggmer]

Shameful. Tirisfal is the best starter zone 100%.

If we're talking in the Classic era, I'd go with Elwynn Forest for Alliance of the because Defias Brotherhood being all over the place.

Cata... I'd give it to Mulgore because of the Grimtotem actually being a threat and seeing Cairne's funeral as the first thing you see in the opening cutscene is sobering. (Though we include additional starting zones from TBC and Cata.. I'd pick Draenei starting zone for TBC, and the Worgen starting zone for Cata.)

[Raetary]

Well, there is still the tiny chance Khaz Algar is somewhere on EK or Kalimdor and we are actually getting a revamp, but with more dwarf lore.
Avaloren isn't mentioned in the report and Sector AR-938 could be anywhere.

[FossilFree]

The Doors is one of Metzen's favourite bands, hehe.

I didn't know that, but what a cool dude lol.

[Nymrohd]

Well, there is still the tiny chance Khaz Algar is somewhere on EK or Kalimdor and we are actually getting a revamp, but with more dwarf lore.
Avaloren isn't mentioned in the report and Sector AR-938 could be anywhere.

We know it is far from Uldaman and we know that report was written after the dwarves emerged from Uldaman.
Which means Watcher Melenia and whoever she was communicating with were still doing their jobs properly well after the Keepers had completely fucked up.

[vintage79]

[Darkarath]

The weapons of a Stormrider are renowned across Azeroth with many mastering the power of the storm itself."

I think that people are not focusing on this quote enough.

The keyart of WoW Vanilla was a dwarf riding a gryphon. There are few pictures more iconic and representative of WoW.

The heroic mount and especially the arsenal information scream world revamp.

They need to do something BIG. Again, going to Avaloren/ The Other Side of Azeroth, would not get the game the attention that I guess they want to achieve. Players would see It just as another continent that it is there for reasons. Do not get me wrong, I would enjoy it, but they need to bring people back.

IMO 11.0 is world revamp and Khaz Algar it is just a new underground zone somewhere in Azeroth, or Khaz Algar is in the Other Side of Azeroth as a new zone, the first of many that would be added patch by patch, as we explore and make our way through these new lands.

[Vlyse]

Avaloren was the most obvious seeded thing actually in-game for the next expansion, going from dragons with titan ties to a whole land stooped in titan myth, and I'm looking forward to it. I've wanted a Titans expansion since Vanilla, where we got several sprinklings of Titan lore, like the Discs of Norgannon, the broken Uldum gates, and the appearance of Aman in the Wetlands tavern.

Blizzard is at their best when coming up with original lore and lands. Pandaria, Draenor, and Legion's version of The Broken Isles with its various factions were all great, fun additions to the game that expanded the world and made everything feel a little more alive. Dragon Isles is a little weaker than those 3, but it's also good. I think Avaloren will be, too.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah imo the counterpart of the Wildhammer should be wyvern riders. Maybe orc ones. Perhaps the Dragonmaw clan could officially change their name back to some English version of Nelghor-shomash and establish themselves in Stonetalon raising wyverns.

[Yzmor]

Guys I'm happy for everyone who's excited about the next expansion, but.. I'm devastated :'(

I would've been happy with Void stuff, Light stuff, a world revamp, other cosmic stuff, another weird planet like Outland, Nagas and sea stuff or any combination of these.
But this dwarves and elementals theme... jeez I got miserably disappointed.
I've been subbed during DF only because of legacy content, since I hate dragons (at least the Disney way they are presented this time) and now I feel so sad because I know that by the time this new expansion arrives, I'll have run out of legacy content to do. To me, this means WoW is stuck for 3 more years with themes I find not only uninteresting, but demotivating. And it's sad because WoW is the only game I've ever cared about ever since I was a teenager, and in my adulthood I've found solace in it many times when I had a rough patch so this game means a lot to me, personally. And now I've lost all hope it's ever going to be something that gives me comfort again.

I just had to share my feelings, sorry, talking about this with my friends or BF is not the same, they don't get it.

On the speculation side: I don't think Blizz has the nerve to serve the playerbase an entire expansion underground. With the new tech from 10.1, sure, they might showcase some underground zones (though it wouldn't be the first time for them to abandon new tech take Warfronts as an example), but IMHO no matter how well an underground zone is designed, if you never get back up to the surface, it's tiring and depressing. Also the main use of this tech is literally connecting the surface and what's below it, so if everything is underground, the tech is not needed, it would be the same as designing, say, the Broken Isles, but the skybox is just earth, crystals etc. with earthen walls surrounding the borders, like a bigger Zaralek, and that would be it.

[Nymrohd]

On the speculation side: I don't think Blizz has the nerve to serve the playerbase an entire expansion underground. With the new tech from 10.1, sure, they might showcase some underground zones (though it wouldn't be the first time for them to abandon new tech take Warfronts as an example), but IMHO no matter how well an underground zone is designed, if you never get back up to the surface, it's tiring and depressing. Also the main use of this tech is literally connecting the surface and what's below it, so if everything is underground, the tech is not needed, it would be the same as designing, say, the Broken Isles, but the skybox is just earth, crystals etc. with earthen walls surrounding the borders, like a bigger Zaralek, and that would be it.

The skybox is not just earth if you go for a Hollow Earth underground expansion though.

[Shadowferal]

*dons Nightelf persona*
"Wildhammer...gryphons, what's not to like? Untamed spirit and a desire to fly, admirable."
*grumbles almost dwarflike*
"Dark Iron...not to be trusted."

I had earlier ideas regarding restructuring racials, in this particular, the "wildhammer" so named for the weapon of choice of a skilled gryphon rider.

A Dwarven aerial force of gryphon riders finally making a showing is loooong overdue.

[justwatching]

I would hope they have at least some system change or addition to get people excited cause another expedition to an island continent with 4-5 zones is not going to get people back. It will retain the ones who still play most likely but that's it.

Have to agree with this. Another Island isnt going to get people excited..if they arent going to do a revamp(yet) then they need to at least introduce systems to repopulate the old world and use those zones. The expansion model(4-5 new zones and all relevant content is only in those zones) is one of the biggest weaknesses...

And without the world revamp there is a heavier burden on the "expansion feature" to carry so I hope they have something good cooked up there. I like DF and people can deny it all they want but another expansion like it just means a continued slow decline. They need a big swing...like Legion was.

[vintage79]

Yeah imo the counterpart of the Wildhammer should be wyvern riders. Maybe orc ones. Perhaps the Dragonmaw clan could officially change their name back to some English version of Nelghor-shomash and establish themselves in Stonetalon raising wyverns.

exactly - after all these years I'm still thrilled by how strong and compelling the Waraft 3 lore was and how strongly everyone who played, felt identified with their faction. Some loved the wild, untamed horde, others loved the strong and haughty alliance. When I looked at the Griffin Rider or its Horde counterpart, I always imagined them to be the most elite and prestigious units. Let's look at how far we are from this now.

[Raetary]

I like dwarves.
So long as they are not leaning too much into their goofy side and actually portray them as the competent and respectful people they are supposed to be, (More Bronzebeard Brothers and less Toddy), i'm fine with it.

I'm still disappointed, and will continue to clinge to the revamp dream until the last second.

But i'm significantly less disappointed than i would've been if we got a Goblin or pirate focus. *shudder*

[Shadowferal]

Yeah imo the counterpart of the Wildhammer should be wyvern riders. Maybe orc ones. Perhaps the Dragonmaw clan could officially change their name back to some English version of Nelghor-shomash and establish themselves in Stonetalon raising wyverns.

I'd write it differently.
Orcs riding enslaved dragons.
As wyvern riders aren't the equal of the more elite Wildhammer gryphon team, and will need an aerial mount with a bit more punch. It also reminds all of the lore regarding orcs and dragons.

[vintage79]

[Yus atath]

I think that people are not focusing on this quote enough.

The keyart of WoW Vanilla was a dwarf riding a gryphon. There are few pictures more iconic and representative of WoW.

The heroic mount and especially the arsenal information scream world revamp.

They need to do something BIG. Again, going to Avaloren/ The Other Side of Azeroth, would not get the game the attention that I guess they want to achieve. Players would see It just as another continent that it is there for reasons. Do not get me wrong, I would enjoy it, but they need to bring people back.

IMO 11.0 is world revamp and Khaz Algar it is just a new underground zone somewhere in Azeroth, or Khaz Algar is in the Other Side of Azeroth as a new zone, the first of many that would be added patch by patch, as we explore and make our way through these new lands.

I completely agree with u. You get it

[Shadowferal]

Much better!

[Fahrad Wagner]

I like dwarves.
So long as they are not leaning too much into their goofy side and actually portray them as the competent and respectful people they are supposed to be, (More Bronzebeard Brothers and less Toddy), i'm fine with it.

I'm still disappointed, and will continue to clinge to the revamp dream until the last second.

The dream lives on my friend, maybe 12.0...

Also this thread is now giving the exact same vibes as when we've got the dracthyr anagram, the whole "we've cracked it!" thing that ACTUALLY makes sense. I don't know if we'll be having a full on dwarf expansion or if it will just be one central zone themed around that, but it sure has this "unexpected twist" to it we've had with expansions like WoD, Legion, or BfA, so yeah I very much think it's the direction we're headed in.

The new boat models were probably related to that as well, if we are to sail on the other side of the continent. And the new IF guards will probably be our escort into Khaz Algar?