The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

Is @Teriz literally making things up(Lil Magz = Magni, Squally = wind elemental, Fyrn = fire elemental) to further push his agenda that 11.0 going to be an elemental expansion, or has all that been confirmed?

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The point is that the Earthen that currently occupy Khaz Algar may be behaviorally and even culturally similar to dwarves, but they're not dwarves.

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I doubt the datamined gryphon has anything to do with Khaz Algar.

I also doubt that Khaz Algar is going to be the central part of this expansion. If I had to guess, I would say that Khaz Algar has the same place in next expansion as the Emerald Dream has in the current expansion.

Let me guess - the Algarian Stormrider is a storm elemental mount? Because you know, that fits your agenda of 11.0 being an elemental expansion.

[Nightshade711]

Is @Teriz literally making things(Lil Magz = Magni, Squally = wind elemental, Fyrn = fire elemental) to further push his agenda that 11.0 going to be an elemental expansion, or has all that been confirmed?

Yeah he does that, like him saying there will be ghostbuster/dragon tinkers for SL/DF because of something like a robot dragon pet.

Nothing is confirmed like that at all. (In terms of the Magz/Squally, etc)

[Swnem]

I can't think of a race that is ACTUALLY highly demanded by the playerbase anymore besides Sethrak during their hype craze in BFA. The only other ones were Zandalari which happened, Maghar which happened, and then High Elves which mostly happened. Oh and Vulpera, but they were pretty obviously going to be playable the second they got their model upgrade.

All the monster/"ugly" races are niche demands from loreheads. Otherwise casuals don't seem to really care as they just play sexy humanoids (which is probably why Drachtyr were created, so people could have special humanoid forms and the monster people could get a dragon as well).

I would say botani and saberon are strong contenders given they purposidly grabbed them off alt Draenor.
Sethrak is the playerbase choice and i'd love them. Hopefully for both factions like dracthyr and pandaren. They did work with both factions afterall. Or give one the faithful and the other the faithless if you want to spice things up.

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Worgen, Pandaren and Forsaken never got one. However the current allied race ACTUALLY teased by Blizzard is yet another Draenei skin, the Broken (as of Legion that is) so I don't think there is any pattern.

The broken will likely just be new customization options for Draenei like the Eredar.

[Cheezits]

The broken will likely just be new customization options for Draenei like the Eredar.

Then why didn't they add them at the same time? That points to them being a bigger deal.

[Teriz]

Is @Teriz literally making things up(Lil Magz = Magni, Squally = wind elemental, Fyrn = fire elemental) to further push his agenda that 11.0 going to be an elemental expansion, or has all that been confirmed?

With names like that, you really need it confirmed?


The datamined pet names are as follows;

Lil Maggz= Earth
Squally= Wind
Fyrn= Fire
Lil Frostwing= Water/ice

Seems rather obvious doesn't it?

Let me guess - the Algarian Stormrider is a storm elemental mount? Because you know, that fits your agenda of 11.0 being an elemental expansion.

Storm would be elemental as well, so yeah it fits the theme. And yes, the mount could very well be an actual elemental.

[ro9ue]

Lil Maggz= Earth
Squally= Wind
Fyrn= Fire
Lil Frostwing= Water/ice

I think Fyrn is a reference to a fern, the plant. So that's earth.
Lil Maggz is probably a reference to Magma, so fire.

[Swnem]

What does this mean? How do they explain why the world hasn't changed in over a decade?

The world is constantly changing in small ways and we see it on new questlines. If we are gonna make a new revamp every 10 years of the same exact zones we will never move on. WoW is not just EK and Kalimdor. Next we need to revamp the broken isles cause Suramar and Highmountain are there and it's been 6 years. Also, let's update BfA, Boralus and Dazar'alor, it's been 4 years.

Sorry. Unless it's a substancial time skip (by that i mean hundreds of years. Heck at least some decades.), things won't have changed enough to justify a full revamp. The changes are small and can be shown in new quests such as the heritage quests and small world changes. There is no need for a full on revamp expansion again. It sounds super dull to visit the same places and fight the same enemies all over again for the 3rd time. Let's move forward, not back. Let the nostalgia go. That time ain't coming back.

Updates, yes, full revamp expansion, no.

[Teriz]

I think Fyrn is a reference to a fern, the plant. So that's earth.
Lil Maggz is probably a reference to Magma, so fire.

Hmm, definitely possible. I saw someone connect Fyrn with fire, but I think you're right that it means fern.

Also Maggz = Magma makes sense given the context.

[Swnem]

Then why didn't they add them at the same time? That points to them being a bigger deal.

The same reason they don't drop 20 new customization options right now. This was the time for the Eredar. The broken still need convincing.
It needs to actually be made and they aren't dropping everything at once.
They will eventually circle back when it makes sense and resources are allocated.
Also, would be dumb to have 3 races for essentially draenei in the character creation screen. 2 is already too much. Broken are just some new heads/faces.

[MCMLXXXII]

Or Lil Maggz is a mini Magtheridon just like Lil KT was a small Kel'Thuzad. And Squally could be a pirate parrot, with eye patch and all, named after the Nightsquall. Suddenly no more elemental connection.

Fyrn could be a miniature Botani.

[Viridiel]

I think, if the reading of the Khaz Algar excerpt really is that the Earthen there arrived with the Curse of Flesh but only mentally fleshified and remained physically distinctively Earthen, then there are only a couple options for what the fissure is:

• Decay. On Draenor, Spirit is what caused the Breakers to eventually turn to flesh, so it's possible that the Curse of Flesh works in the same way, and it's cancelled out by Decay. This would be a follow-on from the Gnoll Decay storyline that has yet to be returned to in DF
• Elemental energy. An obvious tie-in to DF and might explain the Primalist insurgence that we still know nothing about. The "elemental energy" could also be Azerite, which we know affects the mind and we don't know its long-term effects on flesh

And it probably depends on why the dwarves developed their culture. Was it the Curse of Flesh alone, or did the energies of the Well of Eternity reach them in Uldaman and affect them as it did the races everywhere else? If the former, I think it's Decay, if the latter, Azerite/elemental energy.

That said, I'm not convinced that the reading that they haven't changed physically is necessarily correct. It only says that they developed very similarly to dwarves but remain physiologically distinct. There isn't anything to suggest that their physiological distinctiveness is distinctively Earthen, unless I'm missing something.

So an alternate origin for Skardyn is a strong candidate, with the fissure being Xal'atath's body or a dead darkened Naaru or something. But I'm not sure how or why a Void-warped Earthen would behave similarly to a dwarf.

[Teriz]

Suddenly no more elemental connection.

Given the other clues we have, that's doubtful.

[Myrrh]

Or Lil Maggz is a mini Magtheridon just like Lil KT was a small Kel'Thuzad. And Squally could be a pirate parrot, with eye patch and all, named after the Nightsquall. Suddenly no more elemental connection.

Fyrn could be a miniature Botani.

Just a hunch, but I get the feeling Squally may be a baby stormrider gryphon to pair with the mount.

I'd also assume that one of these promotion achievements relates to the Blizzcon frost-y elemental mount, and that Lil Frostwing will be a Sindragosa-ish whelp given the timing proximity to ICC being released on Classic. Trying to match the various achievements to elements seems like a bit of a stretch.

edit: ah, I clearly missed the memo on Lil Frostwing as the anniversary reward to match the blue deathwing mount.

[Cheezits]

Lil'Maggz = Magtheridon pet, don't know how its relevant.

SAFE is a Warcraft Rumble thing.

Frostwing was datamined as a Anniversary pet, I think.

That leaves the Algarian Stormrider, Squally, Fyrn, and the Survey Drone. I think if there's an archaeology theme with the dwarves the Drone may be or toy or hearthstone for the CE. Squally would likely be the pet to tie with the Stormrider... which leaves Fyrn.

Fyrn is a mystery IMO. Maybe a preorder pet? A Baby Botani? Some kind of flower creature?

[MCMLXXXII]

Just a hunch, but I get the feeling Squally may be a baby stormrider gryphon to pair with the mount.

I'd also assume that one of these promotion achievements relates to the Blizzcon frost-y elemental mount, and that Lil Frostwing will be a Sindragosa-ish whelp given the timing proximity to ICC being released on Classic. Trying to match the various achievements to elements seems like a bit of a stretch.

That's also a possibility. It is a stretch but everyone who frequents this forum knows its his MO:

Elemental expansion --> therefore underground --> therefore Undermine --> therefore tinkers.

[Therougetitan]

Fyrn I assume is a baby version of Fyrakk as a battle pet.

[Teriz]

Lil'Maggz = Magtheridon pet, don't know how its relevant.

Why would we get a pet based on Magtheridon? We got Lil KT during WotLK.

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Fyrn I assume is a baby version of Fyrakk as a battle pet.

Yeah, that's what I heard as well.

[flan1337]

Fyrn I assume is a baby version of Fyrakk as a battle pet.

Most likely this is what I think.

Talking about Fyrakk - with the knowledge of the dwarfs does anyone think we could get a legion style ending cinematic? Where what happens causing something to change in the world?

What could happen with Fyrakk to bring us closer to iridikron?

[Cheezits]

Why would we get a pet based on Magtheridon? We got Lil KT during WotLK.

No idea, but every single Lil'Someone has been an Established Warcraft NPC, so I assume this is no different. Maybe something to do with Classic+ or Virtual Ticket?

[MCMLXXXII]

Why do you think everything has to be connected? Maybe Blizzard thought: you know what looks cool? A baby pitlord.