The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

It reads like they are (visually) the dwarven equivalent of Mechagon gnomes.

When you put it like that, I get a nasty feeling in my stomach they're gonna be like the WoW equivalent of the Dwemer from the Elder Scrolls.

[KurtMash]

Come to think of it, if Khaz Algar is in Avaloren, and Algarian are Diamond Dwarves, it would make perfect sense why Nightsquall is amassing an entire army of pirates to go there. Thats a booty that fights back!

[Auxis]

Anyone else noticing the formation of a pattern involving the Class sets on the Trading Post?
September was Priest, Paladin, and Rogue. (Warcraft 2: Turalyon (Priest/Paladin), Rogues = pirates/sailors - bit of a stretch but it sorta fits)
October is Death Knight, Demon Hunter, Druid. (Warcraft 3: Arthas, Illidan, Malfurion - for a month where the theme is supposed to be spooky, why have Druid instsead of Warlock, a literal dark magic class?)

[Sondrelk]

Anyone else noticing the formation of a pattern involving the Class sets on the Trading Post?
September was Priest, Paladin, and Rogue. (Warcraft 2: Turalyon (Priest/Paladin), Rogues = pirates/sailors - bit of a stretch but it sorta fits)
October is Death Knight, Demon Hunter, Druid. (Warcraft 3: Arthas, Illidan, Malfurion - for a month where the theme is supposed to be spooky, why have Druid instsead of Warlock, a literal dark magic class?)

Alternatively they chose the set of three classes at random.

[Pheraz]

I probably repeat myself but no expansion was ever about just one thing. Plus all expansions have this "woaaah" momentum with the theme or the location

We're going into a giant interdimensional portal to an outland planet, what will happen there?
We're fighting against the lich king (okay, for me personally that was the least wooooah but I know I'm in the minority and everyone except me think it was a good xpac)
The whole world is cracking up because a freaking giant dragon escaped from this cave, how will this play out and how can we stop him?
A whole new continent hidden away full of foreign cultures and pandaren which many people knew from wc3, what will happen there?
A giant orc army attacks from another timeline and different planet? Will we all die ?
The burning legion invades azeroth to kill us all, plus a new continent where we've never been, will we all die?
Horde burned teldrassil, alliance attacks lordaeron, who will win? How can we kill sylvanas? Plus two new/iconic continents We've never seen before
A giant rift in the sky distorting reality and a portal into the realm of death? How is it in the realm of death? Can we please now kill sylvanas?
The massive continent of the dragons, full of dragons and we ride dragons super fast. How do we dragon on those dragons?
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Elementals! You know, those elementals that are everywhere already. No matter where we were, there was at least one quest where we killed some elementals.

No way the expansion main theme will be "elementals"
Never ever. I'm sorry @Teriz

[ZyntosAran]

I probably repeat myself but no expansion was ever about just one thing. Plus all expansions have this "woaaah" momentum with the theme or the location

We're going into a giant interdimensional portal to an outland planet, what will happen there?
We're fighting against the lich king (okay, for me personally that was the least wooooah but I know I'm in the minority and everyone except me think it was a good xpac)
The whole world is cracking up because a freaking giant dragon escaped from this cave, how will this play out and how can we stop him?
A whole new continent hidden away full of foreign cultures and pandaren which many people knew from wc3, what will happen there?
A giant orc army attacks from another timeline and different planet? Will we all die ?
The burning legion invades azeroth to kill us all, plus a new continent where we've never been, will we all die?
Horde burned teldrassil, alliance attacks lordaeron, who will win? How can we kill sylvanas? Plus two new/iconic continents We've never seen before
A giant rift in the sky distorting reality and a portal into the realm of death? How is it in the realm of death? Can we please now kill sylvanas?
The massive continent of the dragons, full of dragons and we ride dragons super fast. How do we dragon on those dragons?
....
....
Elementals! You know, those elementals that are everywhere already. No matter where we were, there was at least one quest where we killed some elementals.

No way the expansion main theme will be "elementals"
Never ever. I'm sorry @Teriz

you literally say yourself that df is "dragons, look at all these dragons, we are killing off and on in quests? Lets go to where they started"
And the same with elementals is not possible?
HUH?!

[loras]

Then I hope they better give a good explanation about the Cult of Ragnaros plotline and why he went missing... I'll be really mad if the only brought Smolderon in just to prop up Fyrakk and abandoned the whole Cult of Ragnaros plotline (especially since it was main reason for the Dark Irons to be a playable race.)

Maybe it turns into "Firelords are just always dicks as being a dick comes with the station, might as well have the OG dick in charge since he knows we can dominate his ass in any plane.".

A sort of more grounded version of "There must always be a Firelord (Lich King)".

Alternatively it ties into the Shadowflame stuff and it turns out that's the reason they're dicks. Cue Ragnaros being resurrected as Lightlord and yellibg "Live, insects!".

Also reminder that dying in the Emerald Dream won't actually kill an elemental lord.

[Lady Atia]

Maybe it turns into "Firelords are just always dicks as being a dick comes with the station, might as well have the OG dick in charge since he knows we can dominate his ass in any plane.".

A sort of more grounded version of "There must always be a Firelord (Lich King)".

Alternatively it ties into the Shadowflame stuff and it turns out that's the reason they're dicks. Cue Ragnaros being resurrected as Lightlord and yellibg "Live, insects!".

Also reminder that dying in the Emerald Dream won't actually kill an elemental lord.

Tbf, it's implied that they merged the Firelands with parts of the Dream Temple, on top of Fyrakk seamingly eating his essence after we "kill" him. So it's basically the Archimonde situation again, where he is prolly dead until they bring him back.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

This will be a looong month.

[loras]

Tbf, it's implied that they merged the Firelands with parts of the Dream Temple, on top of Fyrakk seamingly eating his essence after we "kill" him. So it's basically the Archimonde situation again, where he is prolly dead until they bring him back.

Fair point, though keep in mind that elementals tend to be restorable after being eaten, as we resurrected Thunderaan after he got eaten by Ragnaros back in vanilla.

[Kiria]

This will be a looong month.

You're not wrong x.x

[vintage79]

Most anticipated classes:

1. Tinkers (Very Strong, Lorewise)

Absolute No 1 - we already have dh's, monks, death knights,
and it is (almost) last class from the original Warcaft setting, leaving behind maybe:
a) dragon knights (can be a great class for High Elves)
b) witch doctors, etc., but this is more of an additional spec than class.

Most anticipated races:

1.Ogres (Very Strong, Lorewise)
2.High Elves (Very Strong, Lorewise)
3.Mok'Nathal (Very Strong, Lorewise)
4.Tuskars (Strong, Lorewise)

(...)

10.Sethrak (expected by players since BFA)

(...)

20.Jinyu (well, if you added it, it's ok)
21.Gilgoblin (well, if you added it, it's ok)

IMO, all 'races' like: Gilgoblin, Wildhammer, Mag'har orcs etc. should only be a customization option for those already in the game.

[Kiria]

Most anticipated classes:

1. Tinkers (Very Strong, Lorewise)

Absolute No 1 - we already have dh's, monks, death knights,
and it is (almost) last class from the original Warcaft setting, leaving behind maybe:
a) dragon knights (can be a great class for High Elves)
b) witch doctors, etc., but this is more of an additional spec than class.

Most anticipated races:

1.Ogres (Very Strong, Lorewise)
2.High Elves (Very Strong, Lorewise)
3.Mok'Nathal (Very Strong, Lorewise)
4.Tuskars (Strong, Lorewise)

(...)

10.Sethrak (expected by players since BFA)

(...)

20.Jinyu (well, if you added it, it's ok)
21.Gilgoblin (well, if you added it, it's ok)

IMO, all 'races' like: Gilgoblin, Wildhammer, Mag'har orcs etc. should only be a customization option for those already in the game.

I dont understand how you seem to think there is a very high demand for Tinkers, I only see that sort of demand here from a very few players, Also Tinkers had their chance to be made playable back in BFA.

[Worldshaper]

Just a few Xal'atath quotes worth highlighting.

Xal'atath is the 5th Old God, and their collective goal is to consume Azeroth (this is what's called the Hour of Twilight). Her personal goal, however, is to take back the power they took from her.

"We may face some of my brethren in this conflict… a prospect that delights me. Their power will be mine! They will pay for what was done to me long ago."

"It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be."

"It was thought his kind was incorruptible. A lesson from my brothers I suppose."

"It appears the prison of N’zoth is not as strong as it once was. What you see is a tiny growth of the behemoth that may yet consume your world."

They want to usher in the Void Lords.

"I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm. You have only seen fragments, shadows; the faintest of echoes. Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of."

Elune is considered a "great enemy", and an "uppstart goddess".

"I do so enjoy seeing the shrine of a great enemy profaned by the spirits of its own worshippers."

"My mistake. It seems the upstart "goddess" still holds sway here. Oh well..."

Xal'atath spent a lot of time with the Naga, and Queen Azshara wants more power.

"It took ages to make my return to the surface after the Sundering. The naga can be so possessive of artifacts."

"At times it seems the naga beg from scraps from the Legion's table. But the queen they serve want far more than that."

Just a little something I threw in there to show that Azerite really is the blood of Azeroth.

"I can feel the pulse of your world quickening. Soon, all will be drenched in its life blood."

We might have given the Old Gods access to the Seat of the Pantheon already, question is if it's permanent?

"Long have we sought entry into this realm! To think we have a mortal to thank for giving us our foothold. Your service will be remembered."

The tauren's origins is an interesting one. One of the few species native to Azeroth, without any apparent involvement from the Old Gods or the Titans. This whisper seems to suggest that their origins has something to do with corruption, which in turns raises questions about "native life" on Azeroth, and that fissure...

"The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins."

Just a few quotes about Deathwing and the Curse of Flesh that suggest a lot of this stuff is a combined effort from the Old Gods. They may have their internal struggles over who gets to be the last one standing to consume Azeroth, but they're somewhat united in their effort to corrupt stuff.

"The fallen Aspect's lair is near. He was the strongest of them, and yet the easiest one for us to corrupt."

"Ymiron was a fine tool. He did more to spread the blessing of flesh than any other of his kind."

"The spawn of the Titans infest this area. Despite our "gift" of the flesh, they still worship those false gods."

Xal'atath had ideas about Galakrond a few years ago?

"A powerful dragon could be a powerful tool. Alas, gone are the days of Galakrond."

Oh, and about those pesky dwarves...

"I remember the Dark Iron fondly. Modgud was so easy to influence, such was her hate. Imagine her fury when I abandoned her to the Wildhammer at the worst time. I can be very easy to lose. Remember that."

[Teriz]

It doesn't because you don't know what Lil Maggz, Squally and Fyrn are. You assume you know.

Uh “Squally” relates to the word “Squall” which is a gust of wind or a localized storm.

Lil Maggz is almost certainly Magni, given that we’re dealing with Dwarven themes with the encrypted mount.

We also have multiple references to stormriding which is elemental in nature.

Then we have Survey Bot and SAFE which is Gnome stuff that originated in Cataclysm.

Fyrn is really the only wild card there.

[Woggmer]

Fair point, though keep in mind that elementals tend to be restorable after being eaten, as we resurrected Thunderaan after he got eaten by Ragnaros back in vanilla.

I do have a possible theory, but... I'm not fully confident in it.

What if the Smolderon in DF isn't the same one as we knew from back in Legion... I don't mean like its someone pretending to be Smolderon, I mean this Smolderon after being hit with a factory reset button.
Where the Cult of Ragnaros killed him resulting in his sudden disappearance.. but he returned in a much younger form but has no memories of meeting with the Farseer. All he knows is that he's the new Firelord now and has to do what he can to benefit the Firelands.

[Annihilas]

You gave me hope, thank you

Basically then...
Avaloren = Other side of Azeroth = Hostile Inhabitants
Khaz Algar = Sector AR-938 = Passive Inhabitants
Checks out with the Info from in-game texts...

I take it, with much glee, that were not going to The Other Side of Azeroth?!

[Worldshaper]

Now, I really think Kaja'mite is worth exploring further, still.

• It turned Goblins and other primitive races sentient and hyper intelligent. But the effect diminished over time.
• It primarily came from Kezan and its surrounding islands, with the biggest deposits found underneath Mount Kajaro (Undermine).
• It is suspiciously similar to Saronite and Azerite in its name and how it affects living creatures around it, thus suggesting it, too, might be the blood of something ancient and powerful.
• Mimiron himself didn't know what it was, which prompted him to conduct his experiments with it (thus creating the Goblins).

If the Old Gods (collectively, by the looks of things) are able to turn titanforged into living creatures...

And Azeroth is able to create as well as speed up the development of life (as seen around the Well of Eternity for example)...

And Kaja'mite, whatever it is, is able to boost your intelligence...

There's got to be something here!

Is there a 5th Old God underneath Undermine, and was it Xal'atath whose blood turned into Kaja'mite?



I'm on to you, Xal'atath!

[vintage79]

I dont understand how you seem to think there is a very high demand for Tinkers, I only see that sort of demand here from a very few players, Also Tinkers had their chance to be made playable back in BFA.

after all this years - its like community meme now

there are countless topics asking for tinkers since... I don't know how long, 4-5 expansions atleast
And from the beginning of wow of course, because everyone who played Warcraft knows that the technical class exists and was well embedded in Lore.

I guarantee you that if Blizz came out with a e.g. void-shadow expansion and offered tinkers as a class - they would hit the biggest jackpot in the history of the entire Warcraft universe.

[Makorus]

Uh “Squally” relates to the word “Squall” which is a gust of wind or a localized storm.

Lil Maggz is almost certainly Magni, given that we’re dealing with Dwarven themes with the encrypted mount.

We also have multiple references to stormriding which is elemental in nature.

Then we have Survey Bot and SAFE which is Gnome stuff that originated in Cataclysm.

Fyrn is really the only wild card there.

Squally, I'll give you.

Lil Maggz being Magni is a reach. If anything, would it not be Lil Magz? His name is Magni, not Maggni.

Stormriding is not necessarily Elemental in nature. Dwarven Gryphon Riders are inherently Elemental, I suppose, but they've always used Stormhammers to attack. In fact, people riding Gryphons are called Windriders. So there being a reference to "Stormriding" does not mean that it's an "Elemental" expansion, which nothing other than one pet is hinting at, but a Dwarven expansion, which the mount, the location, the Gryphon Rider transmog that were added and much more hint at.

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Basically then...
Avaloren = Other side of Azeroth = Hostile Inhabitants
Khaz Algar = Sector AR-938 = Passive Inhabitants
Checks out with the Info from in-game texts...

I take it, with much glee, that were not going to The Other Side of Azeroth?!

I mean, Avaloren is not necessarily hostile inhabitants. Odyn describes them as heretics because they are against the Titans/KEepers, but depending on how the expansion ends, we might be antagonistic to Odyn/the Titans as well.

I just don't see Vyranoth becoming an Aspect without us antagonizing the Titans in some way.