The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

I probably repeat myself but no expansion was ever about just one thing. Plus all expansions have this "woaaah" momentum with the theme or the location

The massive continent of the dragons, full of dragons and we ride dragons super fast. How do we dragon on those dragons?
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Elementals! You know, those elementals that are everywhere already. No matter where we were, there was at least one quest where we killed some elementals.

No way the expansion main theme will be "elementals"
Never ever. I'm sorry @Teriz

I think there's a contradiction in your post.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I just don't see Vyranoth becoming an Aspect without us antagonizing the Titans in some way.

I would honestly prefer to give vyranoth on a silver plate to titans than going against them, maybe besides Odyn.
Odyn could use some kick in the nuts.

Sadly(for me) the path they choose for Vyranoth, will end up with us following her like a puppet now.

[Teriz]

Squally, I'll give you.

Lil Maggz being Magni is a reach. If anything, would it not be Lil Magz? His name is Magni, not Maggni.

Stormriding is not necessarily Elemental in nature. Dwarven Gryphon Riders are inherently Elemental, I suppose, but they've always used Stormhammers to attack. In fact, people riding Gryphons are called Windriders. So there being a reference to "Stormriding" does not mean that it's an "Elemental" expansion, which nothing other than one pet is hinting at, but a Dwarven expansion, which the mount, the location, the Gryphon Rider transmog that were added and much more hint at.

Just FYI, it's entirely possible that the heroic mount for the expansion looks something like this;



That NPC is called Stormrider, and it is located in the Storm Peaks near Ulduar. So it is entirely possible that the Algerian Stormrider is actually an elemental.

Also it resembles this elemental mount used to talk about more surprises coming at BlizzCon 2023;



Just saying....

[NikolaiShade]

after all this years - its like community meme now

there are countless topics asking for tinkers since... I don't know how long, 4-5 expansions atleast
And from the beginning of wow of course, because everyone who played Warcraft knows that the technical class exists and was well embedded in Lore.

I guarantee you that if Blizz came out with a e.g. void-shadow expansion and offered tinkers as a class - they would hit the biggest jackpot in the history of the entire Warcraft universe.

honestly after evokers, blizzard can add any class, tinkers wouldn't even be that strange of a choice

[Annihilas]

I mean, Avaloren is not necessarily hostile inhabitants. Odyn describes them as heretics because they are against the Titans/KEepers, but depending on how the expansion ends, we might be antagonistic to Odyn/the Titans as well.

I just don't see Vyranoth becoming an Aspect without us antagonizing the Titans in some way.

My point: Whatever it is, it's safe now to assume that Avaloren and the mysterious place the Nightsquall is after are on the other side of Azeroth, and if so, paired with the achievement leaks, it is also safe to assume that Khaz Algar (Hence the next Expansion) will not be on the other side of Azeroth!!

[Raetary]

I really hope they release that damn Blizzcon bundle soon, so we can finally end this circlejerk.

[Makorus]

Just FYI, it's entirely possible that the heroic mount for the expansion looks something like this;



That NPC is called Stormrider, and it is located in the Storm Peaks near Ulduar. So it is entirely possible that the Algerian Stormrider is actually an elemental.

Also it resembles this elemental mount used to talk about more surprises coming at BlizzCon 2023;



Just saying....

Sure, but that's the Blizzcon Mount and not the Heroic Edition mount.

It's also clearly an Ice Elemental.

[Teriz]

Sure, but that's the Blizzcon Mount and not the Heroic Edition mount.

No, I'm saying that the Heroic Edition mount is called the Algarian Stormrider, and there are elementals that live around Ulduar that are also called Stormriders.

My point is that the BlizzCon advertisement using an elemental mount is probably a hint to the theme of the next expansion, as I predicted a few days ago. It is entirely possible that the BlizzCon mount is ALSO an elemental like the Heroic Edition Mount. The difference being that the heroic edition mount is an elemental mount that can fly.

[Sondrelk]

No, I'm saying that the Heroic Edition mount is called the Algarian Stormrider, and there are elementals that live around Ulduar that are also called Stormriders.

My point is that the BlizzCon advertisement using an elemental mount is probably a hint to the theme of the next expansion, as I predicted a few days ago. It is entirely possible that the BlizzCon mount is ALSO an elemental like the Heroic Edition Mount. The difference being that the heroic edition mount is an elemental mount that can fly.

Or Blizzcon gives a Blizzard elemental because it's called Blizzard elemental, not because it's a Blizzard elemental.

[Reive]

what are the odds of getting some better leak/proof next week?

[Teriz]

I really hope they release that damn Blizzcon bundle soon, so we can finally end this circlejerk.

Well it's not going to be released until BlizzCon, so we got over a month to go.

That said, I do believe that given the leaked information about the mount and pets, it's safe to say that a void vs. light expansion is effectively dead. The next expansion is going to heavily involve the elements.

Also it's looking like that Chinese leaker is going to remain at 100% accuracy.

[Makorus]

No, I'm saying that the Heroic Edition mount is called the Algarian Stormrider, and there are elementals that live around Ulduar that are also called Stormriders.

My point is that the BlizzCon advertisement using an elemental mount is probably a hint to the theme of the next expansion, as I predicted a few days ago. It is entirely possible that the BlizzCon mount is ALSO an elemental like the Heroic Edition Mount. The difference being that the heroic edition mount is an elemental mount that can fly.

My man, just stop reaching. The Algarian Stormrider, which is the Heroic Edition mount, is gonna be a Gryphon.



The Blizzcon Mount, which is the Frost Elemental, is 1.) not a Stormrider from Ulduar and 2.) Blizzcon mounts are NEVER relevant to any expansion.

Queue you saying it's gonna be an Elemental expansion because it mentions "Storm", completely ignoring the fact that Gryphon Riders have always had that ability and completely missing the forest for the trees.

[Teriz]

Or Blizzcon gives a Blizzard elemental because it's called Blizzard elemental, not because it's a Blizzard elemental.

Possible. However again there's a high possibility that the heroic mount for the expansion is ALSO an elemental.

[Kiria]

what are the odds of getting some better leak/proof next week?

Fingers crossed it's something more interesting or I could see this being poorly received.

[Annihilas]

Just FYI, it's entirely possible that the heroic mount for the expansion looks something like this;

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...al/1125103.jpg

That NPC is called Stormrider, and it is located in the Storm Peaks near Ulduar. So it is entirely possible that the Algerian Stormrider is actually an elemental.

Also it resembles this elemental mount used to talk about more surprises coming at BlizzCon 2023;

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...al/1125009.jpg

Just saying....

Wait OMG hold the phone, so you're basically saying that the next expansion...
actually takes place in The land of Algeria???????
https://youtu.be/iNoTGO31MAI?si=Ph6iu5M__fOqORGX

[Teriz]

My man, just stop reaching. The Algarian Stormrider, which is the Heroic Edition mount, is gonna be a Gryphon.



The Blizzcon Mount, which is the Frost Elemental, is 1.) not a Stormrider from Ulduar and 2.) Blizzcon mounts are NEVER relevant to any expansion.

Just FYI, that reference is to the Dwarven riders themselves, not the beasts that they ride. On the other hand, the elemental itself is actually called a Stormrider.

[Lady Atia]

Now, I really think Kaja'mite is worth exploring further, still.

• It turned Goblins and other primitive races sentient and hyper intelligent. But the effect diminished over time.
• It primarily came from Kezan and its surrounding islands, with the biggest deposits found underneath Mount Kajaro (Undermine).
• It is suspiciously similar to Saronite and Azerite in its name and how it affects living creatures around it, thus suggesting it, too, might be the blood of something ancient and powerful.
• Mimiron himself didn't know what it was, which prompted him to conduct his experiments with it (thus creating the Goblins).

If the Old Gods (collectively, by the looks of things) are able to turn titanforged into living creatures...

And Azeroth is able to create as well as speed up the development of life (as seen around the Well of Eternity for example)...

And Kaja'mite, whatever it is, is able to boost your intelligence...

There's got to be something here!

Is there a 5th Old God underneath Undermine, and was it Xal'atath whose blood turned into Kaja'mite?



I'm on to you, Xal'atath!

I'm quite sure it was said in BfA that Kajamite is proto-Azerite? Galiwyx had some of it in his staff and it reacted and turned into Azerite during the BfA prologue. Or was that a second substance found within Kezan?

[Makorus]

Just FYI, that reference is to the Dwarves riders, not the beasts that they ride. The elemental is actually called a Stormrider.

So you are telling me that the "Algarian Stormrider" mount is gonna be an Elemental, even though we have textures for a Gryphon mount, Gryphon had new Dragonriding animations added in 10.1.7, Khaz Algar has Dwarves, and there were Gryphon Rider transmogs added that explicitly namedrop "Stormriders"...

because there's a random trash mob with no quest association or anything from 12 years ago with the same name.

Honestly, do you even believe what you are saying yourself?

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=13...rmrider-telmin I mean, wow, look, here's a Dwarf who has two Gryphons.

[Teriz]

So you are telling me that the "Algarian Stormrider" mount is gonna be an Elemental, even though we have textures for a Gryphon mount, Gryphon had new Dragonriding animations added in 10.1.7, Khaz Algar has Dwarves, and there were Gryphon Rider transmogs added that explicitly namedrop "Stormriders"...

because there's a random trash mob with no quest association or anything from 12 years ago with the same name.

Honestly, do you even believe what you are saying yourself?

1. The Gryphon textures don't belong to the heroic mount. That's a different mount entirely.

2. The heroic mount offered in the Expansion pre-order has little to do with the direct lore of the expansion, it is just based on the theme of the expansion. Again, see the Tangled Dreamweaver that was the heroic mount for Dragonflight.

3. The new animations for Gryphons might have absolutely nothing to do with the heroic mount. Gryphons are clearly going to be new mounts for dragon riding. That doesn't stop the heroic mount from being an elemental. Again, refer back to the heroic mount from Dragonflight; The Tangled Dreamweaver isn't a dragonriding mount despite being a dragon.

4. The denizens of Khaz Algar are not dwarves. They have the mannerisms and culture of dwarves, but they are something else physiologically.

5. Finally (again) the reference to "storm rider" you are referring to are the dwarves themselves. The gryphons they ride are never called Stormriders. Interestingly, the term "Stormrider" may have come from those elementals in the storm peaks.

[Makorus]

1. The Gryphon textures don't belong to the heroic mount. That's a different mount entirely.

2. The heroic mount offered in the Expansion pre-order has little to do with the direct lore of the expansion, it is just based on the theme of the expansion. Again, see the Tangled Dreamweaver that was the heroic mount for Dragonflight.

3. The new animations for Gryphons might have absolutely nothing to do with the heroic mount. Gryphons are clearly going to be new mounts for dragon riding. That doesn't stop the heroic mount from being an elemental. Again, refer back to the heroic mount from Dragonflight; The Tangled Dreamweaver isn't a dragonriding mount despite being a dragon.

4. The denizens of Khaz Algar are not dwarves. They have the mannerisms and culture of dwarves, but they are something else physiologically.

I give up.

Peace y'all, see you guys during Blizzcon (or when Teriz is getting banned again).