The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Myrrh]

He told you all that and you managed to transcript every information here that accurately?

In what context he told you? He wrote this on discord and you copy-pasted? He told you vocally (and you're a really good at memorising)? He showed you pictures? Here made you came at Blizzard HQ?

Answer or didnt happen

The dude already admitted this isn't a thing.

[Revamp Man]

The only real borrowed power in shadowlands were soulbinds, which were pretty minor compared to artifacts and azerite armor

And yes, it is inevitable when you consider they've started giving classes to every race since Dragonflight launched, seemingly for no reason other than player agency

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Certain specs only worked with Certain soulbinds

Also can't forget the legendaries

[Teriz]

Squally sounds like the Nightsquall - a mini night elf pirate.

Except Ybarra said no pirates.

That would likely extend to expansion rewards. Also expansion pet rewards typically match the expansion mount.

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It's like watching Olympic gymnastics:

Interestingly none of those quotes contradict each other.

[Myrrh]

Just to kill off any lingering Naz'Jar Naga speculation: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...es_rework_102/

Quelle surprise, the devs sure have been busy with TotT - looks like they've messed with the mobs (amongst other things!) quite a bit.

That aquarium back piece is still a thing though. Not sure what to make of that. Maybe a pre-order reward that isn't tied to an achievement, but would feel a bit disjointed with the dorf (or even lightning elemental if you're that way inclined!) theme of the current rewards. Also evidently not important enough to encrypt, while still quite an impressive creation so I'm doubtful of the Trading Post.

Interestingly none of those quotes contradict each other.

Yeah they're not the quotes I'd have chosen either

Sorry, had to. I'll be good now.

[Revamp Man]

Just to kill off any lingering Naz'Jar Naga speculation: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...es_rework_102/

Quelle surprise, the devs sure have been busy with TotT - looks like they've messed with the mobs (amongst other things!) quite a bit.

That aquarium back piece is still a thing though. Not sure what to make of that. Maybe a pre-order reward that isn't tied to an achievement, but would feel a bit disjointed with the dorf (or even lightning elemental if you're that way inclined!) theme of the current rewards. Also evidently not important enough to encrypt, while still quite an impressive creation so I'm doubtful of the Trading Post.



Yeah they're not the quotes I'd have chosen either

Sorry, had to. I'll be good now.

Can't lie the aquarium reminds me of the abyssal maw raid that got scrapped

[Teriz]

Yeah they're not the quotes I'd have chosen either

Sorry, had to. I'll be good now.

Well they don't contradict each other because it was all speculation based on the evidence at the time. As we get more evidence, our speculation should change. For example, initially I believed that the expansion mount was a stone gryphon or a titan construct of some type. However, after looking a bit more into the evidence at hand, it became a bit more evident that we're likely looking at an elemental. If more evidence emerges that points in a different direction, that speculation should change again. However, given the data-mining that took place a bit earlier, I don't think that will be the case.

[vintage79]

I think what happened in orc heritage questline was big and i hope they won't just forget about it for next few years and still have all the clans be on outland until they maybe do the revamp.

Exactly my point of view - like, this is more important than 80% of fanfic from dragonflight and it's totally optional content??!! /blizz in nutshell

It's like watching Olympic gymnastics:

%paralympic%

The only real borrowed power in shadowlands were soulbinds, which were pretty minor compared to artifacts and azerite armor

And yes, it is inevitable when you consider they've started giving classes to every race since Dragonflight launched, seemingly for no reason other than player agency

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Considering Thrall is the splash screen for the Enhancement Shaman spec panel, not elemental - it seems likely he's basically a shaman/warrior at this point, no more green jesus world shaman (which personally I never minded much)

jeez 'only' u say?
Soulbinds = borrowed power
Covenant Signature Abilities = borrowed power
Covenant Class Abilities? = yea, borrowed power (again)

I will write this in a way that is understandable - dragonflight is the first expansion (since a long time) that does not have any borrowed power.

Classic
TBC
Wotlk
Cata


Mop(soft-cloaks)
WoD(soft-rings)

Legion (Hard)
BFA($hit tons of borrowed power on borrowed power on borrowed power)
Shadowlans (a lot)
.
Dragonflight

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh great, we are starting the circlejerk from yesterday again.

It's peculiar. The drive to debate Teriz appears to override people's most basic capacity for recognition of cause-and-effect. Even knowing engagement prompts a response, they'll keep it up ad infinitum.

[vintage79]

Except Ybarra said no pirates.

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blizz like to say 'no' - datatmiend evo 3rd spec? icons?
'no no' there is no 3rd evoker spec in next patch

'no' to this 'no' to that, then goes into 'maybe' and then into 'anything is possible'


Source:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/mrgm-pa...voker-3rd-spec

[Teriz]

there's no proof, only hypotheses
you really have a problem with the concept of speculation

Thrall on the key art, the name of the mount, recent expansion themes bleeding into following expansions, elemental names on pets, Khaz Alagar, recent datamining from Marlamin, Toweliee's statement, and the Chinese predictor are all evidence in support of said hypothesis.

You really can't make a hypothesis without evidence.

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blizz like to say 'no' - datatmiend evo 3rd spec? icons?
'no no' there is no 3rd evoker spec in next patch

'no' to this 'no' to that, then goes into 'maybe' and then into 'anything is possible'


Source:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/mrgm-pa...voker-3rd-spec

Yeah, you need to re-read his statement. He said no Evoker 3rd spec in 10.1. We got the spec in 10.1.5.

Ybarra gave a rather hard no.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So coming back to maybe new specs being added -

Do you guys think it would be like with allied races that they would be added through patches in batches?

Also list your cool ideas for every class new specs.

From me are these 2, like already mentioned some pages back.

Warrior - Blademaster or gladiator support spec
Priest - Bow based dps spec, something like tyrande in hots.

[Dracullus]

So far I expect more or less this (of course many of this are hunches):

Continent, Avaloren (duh), 4 zones:

1. Khaz Algar - dwarf and titan theme, Magni with his brother, it will expand lore about Azeroth as titan and also origin of curse of flesh (prepare for another round of soft retcons). Snowy zone with a lot undergrounds structures.

2. 'Arturian' zone - human or vrykul theme (them and dwarfs were descendants of expeditions mentioned in Uldaman affected by curse of flesh), full light theme,Also Tyr's Guard will operate here. Seeds of 'Light is bad too' theme. Zone similar to Toussaint in Witcher 3. Main city and hub of this expac - castle in this zone.

3. 'Elemental' zone with more Avaloren natives, something like Ohn'Ahran - Thrall will fully regain his shaman powers after Legion. Uldum/Voldum style desert. Seeds for Shaman for every race in 11.0.5.

4. 'Heretics' zone with Old God temple. On our side Vyranoth, Alleria and N'zoth (similar as Guldan in WoD intro or Mephisto in D4). 'Dark forest' zone similar to Duskwood. Separated from 1/2 zone by desert in 3rd one.

Story: Avaloren was former domain of 5th Old God - Xalatath, who betrayed Void and try to rule Azeroth on her own. Remaining 4 Old Gods defeated her and trapped in dagger. Before that she and Iridikron were allies. Now he try to return her to full power.

First tier would be Iridikron (he will succeed, but die). 2nd Uldaz where Xalatath look for some McGuffin, 3rd final confrontation with Xalatath, but also freeing N'zoth and 'hell breaks loose scenario' - total war between Void and Light where both want to dominate Azeroth.

[Cheezits]

Realistically the timing for any other class and Exile's Reach doesn't make much sense either. How would second generation Dracthyr (a post DF existence) learn to be say, a monk or priest from their respective faction members, then get shipwrecked on an expedition on Exile's Reach, then get sent to the Dragon Isles and arrive just as the Alliance and Horde are first setting foot on the islands and the Dracthyr are still in the midst of figuring out what's going on and who they are?

The same way that Alliance Kul Tirans help Kul Tiras join the Alliance when leveling in BFA. The time stuff is fucked up, BUT, Bolvar stuck in the ice and rezzing a Dracthyr is too fucked up timewise even for Blizzard.

DH is obvious why they couldn't be one, but until they add a new reason for DKs to be rezzed (Shadowlands stuff?) then I can see no new races getting it until then.

[Kiria]

So coming back to maybe new specs being added -

Do you guys think it would be like with allied races that they would be added through patches in batches?

Also list your cool ideas for every class new specs.

From me are these 2, like already mentioned some pages back.

Warrior - Blademaster or gladiator support spec
Priest - Bow based dps spec, something like tyrande in hots.

I need another bow based class/spec in my life ngl it's definitely needed.

[Ersula]

None of those things are out of whack with a theoretical bard identity. Bards exist in wow, but they are not a cohesive class the way that say, Demon Hunters are. Which is how lots of classes were before being classes, honestly. I assume your issue here is thinking of bards from some specific other source? Another MMO or something?

Yes, but a Bardic class has a unique Identity in Warcraft: When I think of the thrash metal bands in WoW, Rogue is the last class I think of. ETC Tank/Support seems deserving of its own class.

It is likely, but I wouldn't say it's as likely. I believe that making them too closely tied to Dwarves in that manner makes the mount and the pet a bit too race specific.

They're never been worried about that before. It's never made in-universe sense for anything other than a Night elf to ride a nightsaber. Or an Orc to ride a Horse.

For example, there's no Tangled Dreamweavers on the dragon isles, and there's no Enscrolled Everwyrms in the Shadowlands. There's going to be no Algarian Stormriders in 11.0 beyond the expansion mount. That makes it a bit unlikely that we're talking about Dwarven gryphon riders here.

That's true for the Dreamweaver but who wants to bet they designed it with the green flight in mind then afterwards decided it didn't match the canon for the Emerald Dream content. And even then its still a Dragon: That matches the theme of Dragonflight. And there are tons of Enscrolled Everqyrms in the Shadowlands; they're what take you to and from Oribos. How did you forget that?

Those were Anima Wyrms.

They're literally the same thing. Exact same model. It's just a different name. Just like how a Stormrider is also a Gryphon. You even linked the wowpedia article that lists The Enscrolled Everwyrm as an example of an Anima Wyrm.

[Raetary]

So coming back to maybe new specs being added -

Do you guys think it would be like with allied races that they would be added through patches in batches?

Also list your cool ideas for every class new specs.

From me are these 2, like already mentioned some pages back.

Warrior - Blademaster or gladiator support spec
Priest - Bow based dps spec, something like tyrande in hots.

I think it depends on how many specs the expansion would launch with.
If they launch it with 3 or more specs, i'd say its pretty unlikely, as we got a whole class worth of gameplay added.
But if they start with 1-2 specs, they will probably add more in major patches.

As for specs:

Paladin - a Void spec, based on Dark Paladins/Oathbreakers would be neat.
Shaman - an Earthwarden tanking spec
Monk - a fistweaving support spec themed after Chi-ji. (The Crane deserves some god damn love too!)
DH - a ranged spec using bows and fel arrows.
Mage - either a chronomantic support spec, or a semi-melee/Mid-range Spellbreaker spec where you actually get to use a sword

[pacotaco]

Jinyu won't happen as there's no female model and Blizz can't do FFXIV and create a genderlocked race because even they had to backtrack on that and create new lore for the opposite sex.

The dracthyr dragon model it's the same for male and female. They coould just do the same for them, or use the same model with different parts (scale colors, fins, etc). Or, you know, make a female model like they did for draenei, for example.

[Kiria]

I think it depends on how many specs the expansion would launch with.
If they launch it with 3 or more specs, i'd say its pretty unlikely, as we got a whole class worth of gameplay added.
But if they start with 1-2 specs, they will probably add more in major patches.

As for specs:

Paladin - a Void spec, based on Dark Paladins/Oathbreakers would be neat.
Shaman - an Earthwarden tanking spec
Monk - a fistweaving support spec themed after Chi-ji. (The Crane deserves some god damn love too!)
DH - a ranged spec using bows and fel arrows.
Mage - either a chronomantic support spec, or a semi-melee/Mid-range Spellbreaker spec where you actually get to use a sword

omg, yes please, all the yess's i love the idea of this, what makes me sad is its just an idea

The dracthyr dragon model it's the same for male and female. They coould just do the same for them, or use the same model with different parts (scale colors, fins, etc). Or, you know, make a female model like they did for draenei, for example.

Jinyu as an allied race before other requested races is a pure bad idea, plus don't we alrdy have enough races in the game :/

[pacotaco]

Unless I'm mistaken, MrGM is going for a bit of a trip this week. Noticed any other content creators announcing going away for a few days?

In case there's an event where they get briefed about the expansion or something.

Bellular's been on a vacation trip since last week or so (according to his channel). >_>

[milkmustache]

Mage - either a chronomantic support spec, or a semi-melee/Mid-range Spellbreaker spec where you actually get to use a sword

God what I'd give for a proper Spellbreaker spec. I'd be really curious how it would work. That being said, I see Blizzard doing a chronomancer spec before spellbreaker for mage.