The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again though, if the mount is a gyphon mount based on Dwarven stormriders, do you think we’ll go to Khaz Alagar and there will no NPCs around called Alagarian Stormriders? In other words, shouldn’t the Khaz Algarians have Stormriders if they have a gryphon mount that refers to them?

Why wouldn’t they just have NPC’s with a slightly different name like we saw in shadowlands?

[Ferlion]

I get where you are coming from. But what else could Algarian possibly refer to that we know of?

I'm not sure, just doesn't fit in with naming conventions.

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I mean, we know it refers to "Algar" as it is written that way in other languages that don't use -ian, e.g. italian has the achievement name as Cavalcatempesta di Algar, spanish Jinete de la tormenta de Algar etc. If that ends up being Khaz Algar remains to be seen but I'd say it's likely given it was mentioned in the Observational Report.

Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

And if it is City of Khaz, It's still just using the word city.

So it would be like.. City Gryphon. And I'm just using gryphon here as an example of the mount type. It may not be it.

[Teriz]

Why wouldn’t they just have NPC’s with a slightly different name like we saw in shadowlands?

Well what you call a Dwarven gryphon rider from Khaz Algar with lightning infused weapons?

[Cheezits]

Putting all my heart and soul into Stormbreak being real. Not only is the name nice, the implications of that logo are huge.

[Nokster10]

Well what you call a Dwarven gryphon rider from Khaz Algar with lightning infused weapons?

A gryphon rider

[MCMLXXXII]

Not going to engage, not going to engage.

[milkmustache]

I'm not sure, just doesn't fit in with naming conventions.

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Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

And if it is City of Khaz, It's still just using the word city.

So it would be like.. City Gryphon. And I'm just using gryphon here as an example of the mount type. It may not be it.

I think this actually reframes it to the more interesting conversation. The inclusion of "Khaz" in "Khaz Algar" implies that it is somewhere in the Eastern Kingdoms.

[Teriz]

A gryphon rider

Why wouldn’t you call them a Stormrider?

[Sondrelk]

I'm not sure, just doesn't fit in with naming conventions.

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Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

And if it is City of Khaz, It's still just using the word city.

So it would be like.. City Gryphon. And I'm just using gryphon here as an example of the mount type. It may not be it.

Or alternatively, Chasm of Khaz, given they were sent to investigate a fissure.
Chasm Gryphon sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

[Ersula]

Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

And if it is City of Khaz, It's still just using the word city.

So it would be like.. City Gryphon. And I'm just using gryphon here as an example of the mount type. It may not be it.

Like you said, they don't call Gryphons we typically see "Modon Gryphons" or "Mountain Gryphons" but they could. Or, since we're proposing Stormriders aren't just Gryphon but Gryphons specifically trained for combat, the name refers to a culture. "Algarian Stormrider" is interchangable with "Stormrider of Khaz Algar"

I think this actually reframes it to the more interesting conversation. The inclusion of "Khaz" in "Khaz Algar" implies that it is somewhere in the Eastern Kingdoms.

Not really. The Tyr Logs describe it as a place completely segregated from known Dwarven land. Khaz is just in homage to the Titan of the Forge, whom they were big fans of.

It is weird that they're following the exact same sentiment of the Dwarves we know & the Keepers making these logs make note of that. Like "isn't it weird they named their flying units the same thing as this totally unrelated culture?"

Why wouldn’t you call them a Stormrider?

It's entirely possible that the Stormriders of Khaz Algar don't ride Gryphons, but if they reveal it & they're riding an elemental, or a bat, or something, I would consider it a very funny troll on Blizzard's part, because a Gryphon Rider would be the first thing fans would associate with those words.

[Santandame]

For those of you who have read Brandon Sanderson’s Stormlight Archive series, then I could definitely see Khaz Algar being similar to the Shattered Plains. A dangerous, craggy ravine like area that is plagued by thunderstorms and has tons of fissures with secrets, horrifying creatures and settlements deep inside. Maybe the new mutated “Dwarves” could be similar to the Parshendi? Ironically the Parshendi are also known as the Voidbringers.

[Nokster10]

Why wouldn’t you call them a Stormrider?

Why wouldn't you call them a gryphon rider?

[Teriz]

Why wouldn't you call them a gryphon rider?

Because they supposedly have gryphons called Algarian Stormriders.

[Nebron]

I'm not sure, just doesn't fit in with naming conventions.

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Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

That's some fine logic to follow, nice one

But I'm not entirely sure if Blizzard gave it that much of a thought if Algarian is indeed dervied from "Algar".
As others pointed out already, especially @Marlamin with languages example, there's just a 1:1 overlap between these two names. It would be quite a concidence if there was no connection between these two things. We also have to assume that "Algarian Stormrider" isn't just Blizzard's trolling us to make these season even more difficult to de-code, but I believe that chances are near zero but then - well, that would be fun, if all that dwarven stuff was just a red herring implemented to fight off possible, uncontrolled leaks. In the end, it's almost impossible to keep it a secret, and someone, somewhere will simply leak the stuff, so distributing fake leaks and redirecting people on false track would still give them a chance to surprise people at Blizzcon.

When it comes to "Modanian", well Khaz Modan was basically the only "Khaz XYZ" region in WoW, so I believe there was no need for that type of distinction. Now, that perhaps Khaz Algar is about to be a second Khaz in game, it simply makes sense to differentiate these names from each other, and so does applying the "Algarian" adjective to "Stormrider" part.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well what you call a Dwarven gryphon rider from Khaz Algar with lightning infused weapons?

They could have any number of names rather they be storm riders without the Algarians, actual airforce ranks like Captain Major First Lieutenant Major General ect, or made up wow ranks.

Nothing about wows naming conventions means they need to reuse the mounts name for the riders or the birds.

[Nokster10]

Because they supposedly have gryphons called Algarian Stormriders.

So if they have gryphons and they ride those gryhons, they are...gryphon riders.

[MCMLXXXII]

If you have mounts for the flight paths from Orgrimmar called windriders, how would you call the people riding them?

[vintage79]

Because they supposedly have gryphons called Algarian Stormriders.

[Ferlion]

Or alternatively, Chasm of Khaz, given they were sent to investigate a fissure.
Chasm Gryphon sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

I mean, yeah. It could be.

Like you said, they don't call Gryphons we typically see "Modon Gryphons" or "Mountain Gryphons" but they could. Or, since we're proposing Stormriders aren't just Gryphon but Gryphons specifically trained for combat, the name refers to a culture. "Algarian Stormrider" is interchangable with "Stormrider of Khaz Algar"
Not really. The Tyr Logs describe it as a place completely segregated from known Dwarven land. Khaz is just in homage to the Titan of the Forge, whom they were big fans of.

Except this kind of is my point as well. Elrusa here just called it Modan gryphon. Which is really what I'd more expect if Khaz Algar was Algarian.

It would be an Algar Gryphon, which would be like, chasm gryphon. Algarian Gryphon would be a bit like saying (within the context of names) Chasmian Gryphon.

Though, this conversation did lead me down a path.

Khaz Modan is NOT the name of the Dwarves Kingdom.

It's the name of a continent. Khaz Modan is one of the three continents that make up the Eastern Kingdoms. Azeroth, Lordearon, and Khaz Modan are actively distinct continents lorewise, even if we tend to just refer to the lot as the Eastern Kingdoms.

We keep looking at Khaz Algar as a zone within the continent.

In reality, it really could be it's own continent, and that is also just about the only way that naming structure could even work.

[loras]

If you have mounts for the flight paths from Orgrimmar called windriders, how would you call the people riding them?

Windriderriders.

And what happens when windriderriders love eachother very much?

Windriderriderriders.