The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Auxis]

I'm not sure, just doesn't fit in with naming conventions.

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Khaz Modan is not just a name. It specifically means "Mountains of Khaz". Much like Teldrassil, Nordrassil, etc, we can use lore knowledge to piece together bits and pieces of a translation.

Khaz is "Of Khaz" in honor of the Titan.

So we know that "Khaz Algar" means. "Something of Khaz".

It could be Island of Khaz, Valley of Khaz. Which makes "Algarian" stand out even more for a type of mount or identifier.

I.E. Unless Algar is going to be something like "City of Khaz" or " Country of Khaz", calling something Algarian doesn't fit in with the way we know the language works.

And if it is City of Khaz, It's still just using the word city.

So it would be like.. City Gryphon. And I'm just using gryphon here as an example of the mount type. It may not be it.

Algar could be crevace or fissure or something like that. Their species adapted as a result of inspecting a fissure.

[loras]

I do have a possible theory, but... I'm not fully confident in it.

What if the Smolderon in DF isn't the same one as we knew from back in Legion... I don't mean like its someone pretending to be Smolderon, I mean this Smolderon after being hit with a factory reset button.
Where the Cult of Ragnaros killed him resulting in his sudden disappearance.. but he returned in a much younger form but has no memories of meeting with the Farseer. All he knows is that he's the new Firelord now and has to do what he can to benefit the Firelands.

Also possible, but how does one "factory reset" an elemental? Thunderaan was fully eaten and he still had his wits.

Seems like something elementals would be innately immune to, because they always "are" the "factory reset" due to their, well, foundationally elemental nature.

Factory resetting an elemental sounds to me like trying to factory reset a shovel, or a random rock.

[Ersula]

It's the name of a continent. Khaz Modan is one of the three continents that make up the Eastern Kingdoms. Azeroth, Lordearon, and Khaz Modan are actively distinct continents lorewise, even if we tend to just refer to the lot as the Eastern Kingdoms..

Is it the name of the Continent? I always assumed the two major bodies of the Eastern Kingdom were "Tirisfal" and "Khaz Modan" but I've never gotten clear answer to that from the lore.

Khaz Modan is the name of the mountain (or greater mountainous region) they emerged from when the Sundering happened, a mountain now known as Blackrock mountain because of the orcs, ironically. The only reason they don't call the Kingdom Khaz Modan is because over time those dwarves broke into three distinct cultures, the three subraces of Dwarf we currently know of. If that didn't happen, their kingdom would be known as Khaz Modan today.

If you have mounts for the flight paths from Orgrimmar called windriders, how would you call the people riding them?

The name applies to both. They're a team. World of Warcraft: Drakengarde

So if they have gryphons and they ride those gryhons, they are...gryphon riders.

You'd have to take that up with Falstad, or the Iceborn Dwarves.

[Ferlion]

Algar could be crevace or fissure or something like that. Their species adapted as a result of inspecting a fissure.

I definitely think this is the right track. In fact, I'll pull up Dun Algaz as an example.

Algaz is a pass through a mountain.

Algar and Algaz sound awfully dang similar.

[flan1337]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY6K...ature=youtu.be

someone on reddit posted the thrones of tides rework on YouTube. Makes sense as it needs a lot of work for mythic+ but definitely interesting blizz to give it so much attention.

[Auxis]

I think this actually reframes it to the more interesting conversation. The inclusion of "Khaz" in "Khaz Algar" implies that it is somewhere in the Eastern Kingdoms.

Not really. Wetlands has 'Dun' settlements. Northrend has 'Dun' settlements. Wetlands also has 'Grim Batol'. Kalimdor has 'Bael Modan'. It feels like it's more than just a geographic naming convention.

[Nokster10]

You'd have to take that up with Falstad, or the Iceborn Dwarves.

Why? does Falstad not ride a gryphon?

[Ferlion]

Is it the name of the Continent? I always assumed the two major bodies of the Eastern Kingdom were "Tirisfal" and "Khaz Modan" but I've never gotten clear answer to that from the lore.

Khaz Modan is the name of the mountain they emerged from when the Sundering happened, a mountain now known as Blackrock mountain because of the orcs, ironically. The only reason they don't call the Kingdom Khaz Modan is because over time those dwarves broke into three distinct cultures, the three subraces of Dwarf we currently know of. If that didn't happen, their kingdom would be known as Khaz Modan today.

The name applies to both. They're a team. World of Warcraft: Drakengarde

You'd have to take that up with Falstad, or the Iceborn Dwarves.

Yeah, it's the name of the Continent.

Tirisfal is not one of the continents.

Lordaeron is to the north starting at around Arathi IIRC, Khaz Modan is the middle area, from abouts the searing gorge to the Wetlands. Then Azeroth is everything south of that.

Technically they are subcontinents. But Blizzard has never really been great at differentiating continents and subcontinents, and the majority of work I've seen that lists them calls them continents, not subcontinents.

[Teriz]

So if they have gryphons and they ride those gryhons, they are...gryphon riders.

So Dwarven Stormriders from Khaz Algar wouldn’t be called Stormriders?

That’s interesting.

[Raetary]

I think arguing about such naming conventions is pretty pointless, as warcraft languages aren't actually established and are pretty arbitrary.

But as we are already in it, without knowing what "Algar" means it's pretty pointless to proclaim that it doesn't fit any naming convention.
Let alone that we don't even know whether or not the languages of either dwarven realm are completely identical.

We know they are analogues to an unknown degree, but that's it.

[Cheezits]

So apparently the "Stormbreak" art is actually in the Malestrom, if you look closely in the background.

That would actually explain what the "Storm" is, so I am intrigued by that. Also the obvious Cata theme.

[milkmustache]

"They're not dwarves, and the mount is not a gryphon, it's an elemental"

"You're right, or else they'd call them Algarian gryphon riders."

"No, you're wrong, they're dwarven stormriders, the gryphon is called a stormrider"

[Nokster10]

So Dwarven Stormriders from Khaz Algar wouldn’t be called Stormriders?

That’s interesting.

They could be called whatever blizzard wants. Doesn't mean you're right. In fact you've been wrong about literally everything for years.

[vintage79]

Because they supposedly have gryphons called Algarian Stormriders.

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[Ersula]

Why? does Falstad not ride a gryphon?

No but he calls himself a Stormrider.

I definitely think this is the right track. In fact, I'll pull up Dun Algaz as an example.

Algaz is a pass through a mountain.

Algar and Algaz sound awfully dang similar.

Hey, not that I'm saying the Algarians are sea dwarves but what happened to the Earthen that would have been underwater after the sundering? Wouldn't Yogg or N'zoth have tried to claim them? Are there undiscovered Fish Dwarves out there?

[milkmustache]

So apparently the "Stormbreak" art is actually in the Malestrom, if you look closely in the background.

That would actually explain what the "Storm" is, so I am intrigued by that. Also the obvious Cata theme.

Stormbreak meaning breaking the storm of the Maelstrom and calming the Cataclysm's effects in a revamp?

[Nokster10]

No but he calls himself a Stormrider.

And i call myself a formula 1 driver, yet i still drive a car

[MCMLXXXII]

And i call myself a formula 1 driver, yet i still drive a car

But a F1 vehicle is also a car, see, got you!

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Hopefully there will be something in this week PTR that will end this debate.

[Nokster10]

But a F1 vehicle is also a car, see, got you!

That's my whole point. Teriz here arguing they can only be named Stormriders because the gryphons are called stormriders.