The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

My exact thoughts. Yet if they were to have the balls to make a change like that... They would have my full support (hehehe).

I am not saying it would not be interesting but I am very much unsure on how much it could work when they have placed so much emphasis on 5man content. If we were back in WoD or before and Raid or Die, yeah a support spec could work just fine.

[Sondrelk]

I find it rather weird that they would hide that fact by not including it on the road map, cause it sure as hell would make some players giddy with excitement. So I'm not getting my hopes up. (The bits about it being a new support "role" sound even more unlikely, but who knows.)

In thinking about it I almost wonder whether it's an April Fool's joke being planned. Evokers log in on April 1st and get a quest taking them to the Forbidden Reach where they are given a free cauldron or something.

[Zulggun]

Looks like after lackluster 10.0 tmogs we finally gonna get some good stuff.

[Foolicious]

That can definitely be the case. Maybe they are gonna try and destroy the Dream from a Cosmic scale, meaning they could use the Dream and fuck around with the Plane of Life also in a way? Though, we'll most definitely stop it before any damage to Azeroth, the Cosmic Domain of Life, or such is caused. I imagine Elune will likely have a part to play also, assuming we do end up exploring more of the Dream in DF, and likely future expacs.

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Could the ancient allies stuff be referring to the Djaradin then, and not the Old Gods?

I think in the grand cheme the elder djaradin are not that significant, more like a piece of the puzzle. They wield shadowflame which is a combination of void and fire and we know they made a deal with iridikron to fight the aspects when they where some kind of earth giants before.
Right now i think its even possible that neltarion capturing one of them started his downfall. Maybe after fighting them he wanted to learn more about shadowflame and experimented with it and he found the old gods.
Or the void did make a deal with both the aspects and primalists so they would win in any case. Hard to say from the first ptr build. Guess we will learn more once voicelines and encounters are fully datamined.

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://twitter.com/Plagueghoul/stat...53704969060352

Here you go.

Thanks! I didn't realise they were just icons so far, but it's really interesting!

[micwini]

Why are they updating seemingly irrelevant models like the dwarf tank you say? Well, the answer is simple: 11.0 World revamp.

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Could also be models AFAIK. It seems like a large patch, and many dataminers sort of gave up and went to bed before it was all finished, I think.

I read somewhere 10.1 is a 7gb patch

[Khaza-R]

Notice that on roadmap for 10.2 we have listed OPEN world challenges, not SOLO challenges. Which is interesting, cause I don't think open world challenge is really possible, since you can always throw more people into it.

They had mentioned something way back when the expansion was first announced about outdoor content and something inspired by micro dungeons. Maybe its possible to have these areas but they are capped at the number of people it will phase at one time.

[Cheezits]

The racial stuff could easily be trading post, but the dwarf tank is suspicious.

Also the new blood elf and night elf boats have yet to appear.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Well, that, and about a thousand other updated assets for the old world, which were added but not used over the last few expansions. Almost all of the old stuff is updated by this point, which is what makes is soo strange they never announce a world revamp. All the pieces are in place! Just do it.

The main issue with a world revamp is the comparative amount of effort that would have to go into such an expansion compared to others—it's a relatively high amount of effort for a dubious amount of reward. Although I'm all for it, I can certainly see why it hasn't come around yet. As for the number of assets, they seem to be interested in doing this sort of thing piecemeal rather than all at once. We also did get some hints re: a new Dwarven race and city, so our good old-fashioned Ironforge Dwarves may become more prominent when the plot gets into a position to focus on the new Dwarven subrace.

[Dracullus]

The main issue with a world revamp is the comparative amount of effort that would have to go into such an expansion compared to others—it's a relatively high amount of effort for a dubious amount of reward.

I don't get why most of you always think of Cata style of revamp (especially now when Dragon Isles are perfect for future 10-70 newbie experience). They can revamp any part of old world into 70-80 continent, would cost exactly same resources as regular expac.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't get why most of you always think of Cata style of revamp (especially now when Dragon Isles are perfect for future 10-70 newbie experience). They can revamp any part of old world into 70-80 continent, would cost exactly same resources as regular expac.

I mean eventually we are going to run out of places to go so revamping old world may be necessary. I am not certain how the playerbase/fanbase will react to that though.

[Gurahk]

Looks like after lackluster 10.0 tmogs we finally gonna get some good stuff.

As a Shaman, it's the opposite.
the 10.1 set looks both over-detailed and boring at the same time.

[Kiivar86]

I'm always dubious about looking at any updated model and going "world revamp!" based on it.

Remember the updates to the mammoth animations? People were so certain a return to Northrend based on that. And...nope.

That said, broken clock and all that jazz so who knows.

[Dracullus]

Well, my theory is that they've been slowly re-building EK and KA over the past 3-4 years, gradually adding more remade assets. So that they can release a revamp in time for the 20th anniversary next year.

But we'll see what turns out.

I was hoping that it was Tom Chilton secret project after he was replaced by Ion. Turned out he worked on mobile game xD.

I mean eventually we are going to run out of places to go so revamping old world may be necessary. I am not certain how the playerbase/fanbase will react to that though.

It's impossible too since Azeroth isn't, you know, real place. Reason to do revamp would be rather HUGE nostalgia boost.

Question is how to deal with it. Before 10.0 I thought they need 4 expacs to do it properly which would make next predictions rather boring, but after Dragon Isles I think they are experienced enough to do detailed Kalimdor or EK in single expac (especially if 3 zones would be left for patches).

[micwini]

Well, my theory is that they've been slowly re-building EK and KA over the past 3-4 years, gradually adding more remade assets. So that they can release a revamp in time for the 20th anniversary next year.

But we'll see what turns out.

Yep. In BFA Darkshore, Auberdine is rebuild in full HD, yet there was not ever a reason to go there. Not even when it was current.

[Grimbold21]

Yep. In BFA Darkshore, Auberdine is rebuild in full HD, yet there was not ever a reason to go there. Not even when it was current.

But is that what a revamp is? Or should I say: is that what people expect from a revamp? To replace 2004 looking assets with modernized ones? If we're going with Cata standards, one would guess that a revamp entails zone and quest redesign, no?

[micwini]

Sure, the animations might be used for the Dragonflight lava elephants and stuff.

But a model is something different, imo. It's not as likely that, for example, a typical Stormwind building would appear on a new continent, as it is that an animation is re-used for a new creature.

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Yeah, that's one of my arguments for a world revamp. Although we should be cautious about leaning too much on it.

There was a Warfront in Darkshore, and we're still not sure if a Barrens Warfront got scrapped IIRC. So those assets might have been re-used for WSG and Darkshore.

But it is suspicious, still. And exciting to think about.

I'm pretty much of the belief that recent expansions (aside from maybe Shadowlands) have largely been built with the revamp in mind. Especially BfA and DF. There are just so many natural biomes that you find on EK and KA. For example, the jungles of Zandalar can be re-used for Stranglethorn Vale.

Shadowlands too. Lots of stuff could be used for plaguelands

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But is that what a revamp is? Or should I say: is that what people expect from a revamp? To replace 2004 looking assets with modernized ones? If we're going with Cata standards, one would guess that a revamp entails zone and quest redesign, no?

This as well, but I would guess redoing all the assets is by far the most work. Remember that they have a whole team dedicated to outdoor content now. And seeing how the Dragon Isles are so large, yet still pumped full with stuff, I don't think redoing the quests is that much work compared to redoing all the art.

[Cheezits]

I'd like people to note that in the files there is currently a suite of items labeled "frontier" that are generic alliance and horde walls and outposts, such as the HD inn, towers, etc. It could be for a new continent or a base building mode (housing?) but I think it also could be props for creating new towns in a revamp.

But there are a ridiculous amount of HD things introduced in the Dragonflight files that are NOT used in Dragonflight at all.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...00462882697217

Also a new Windrider flying station.

[Zulggun]

As a Shaman, it's the opposite.
the 10.1 set looks both over-detailed and boring at the same time.

You really think it's worse than 10.0 set? That was just a bunch of rocks glued together.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'd like people to note that in the files there is currently a suite of items labeled "frontier" that are generic alliance and horde walls and outposts, such as the HD inn, towers, etc. It could be for a new continent or a base building mode (housing?) but I think it also could be props for creating new towns in a revamp.

But there are a ridiculous amount of HD things introduced in the Dragonflight files that are NOT used in Dragonflight at all.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...00462882697217

Also a new Windrider flying station.

I have serious doubts that if there is a Revamp it would be a serious one. Just too many elements going atm that just leads me to believe that people are overhyping it.

I'm just saying that people will most likely find themselves in a lite-Revamp expansion with lots of stupid massive other narrative stuff going on and not an actual Revamp expansion like people want.