The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[flan1337]

Hearthstone and Warcraft Rumble.

Sadge - Yeah its most likely Rumble now that it stole Warcrafts name. Zoomers will be referencing "Warcraft is my favorite mobile game!" - "Oh you play Warcraft? So do I!"

[KayRule]

Why do people believe “Stormbreak” indicates revamp?

Because they want a revamp. That's it.

The 10.0 speculation had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acknowledging the next expac would be Dragons because eveyrone built themselves up last time that this time for real would be the Revamp/Underground/Tinker expansion despite all of the evidence it was going to be Dragons.

[Bomba the Shaman]

It just occurred to me that Stormbreak could be Classic+ expansion rather then a regular retail expack. Has Blizzard ever said they would do classic+ stuff?

[Cheezits]

Because they want a revamp. That's it.

The 10.0 speculation had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acknowledging the next expac would be Dragons because eveyrone built themselves up last time that this time for real would be the Revamp/Underground/Tinker expansion despite all of the evidence it was going to be Dragons.

I'm pretty sure everyone knew Dragons/Dragon Isles would be involved, not that it would JUST be Dragons. That was the big disappointment at launch.

I personally am praying for something that isn't a disconnected Dwarfclysm Filler Island expansion, considering that's what we just had.

[milkmustache]

Because they want a revamp. That's it.

The 10.0 speculation had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acknowledging the next expac would be Dragons because eveyrone built themselves up last time that this time for real would be the Revamp/Underground/Tinker expansion despite all of the evidence it was going to be Dragons.

A lot of it is fueled by desire of a revamp, but at least don't ignore that frame of thought's reasonings.

The classic form logo and key art with classic imagery is what lead a lot of people there. We only have some delusion, not pure delusion.

[Reive]

It just occurred to me that Stormbreak could be Classic+ expansion rather then a regular retail expack. Has Blizzard ever said they would do classic+ stuff?

no, it's a retail thing. stormbreak is related to the algarian stormrider, the datamined mount for 11.0. the mount likely takes the name from kazh algar, a zone introduced in dragonflight.

about classic+, blizzard said they would consider it, but so far nothing was confirmed

[flan1337]

It just occurred to me that Stormbreak could be Classic+ expansion rather then a regular retail expack. Has Blizzard ever said they would do classic+ stuff?

Probably not - the issue with Stormbreak is that it does not follow the brand/logo guidelines that Blizzard has put together. Now maybe it is getting tossed out the window ,but highly unlikely.

[Darkarath]

BTW, War of the Scaleborn (DF's novel) is releasing on October 31, just two days before Blizzcon... maybe it has some massive implications?

The release date is curious because DF would be practically over at that point. We kind of know what is coming with 10.2 (probably DF's last big patch) and two days after its release we will know about 11.0.

I do not know, I find it suspicious. I still have the hope that the book shows that Vyranoth is still on team Incarnates and that everything that she has done recently was a farce. Just with that I would be happy

[KayRule]

Less "boring" (if it's real, we don't know any of its features) and more that it doesn't seem like "20th anniversary hype expansion that would bring people back" material. There's no strong theme here, it's just an expansion with a cool sounding name. Something like Legion or Dragonflight immediately tells you what it's about, and if it didn't then the promotional artwork would give you an idea. This just kinda... doesn't do that.

Why are people insistent this next expansion is being designed to "bring people back"? There has not been a shortfall akin to WoD, BfA or Shadowlands, despite not having low launch numbers. Player retention has remained at an historic high, rather than descending into a freefall as in those expansions.

[Cheezits]

BTW, War of the Scaleborn (DF's novel) is releasing on October 31, just two days before Blizzcon... maybe it has some massive implications?

The release date is curious because DF would be practically over at that point. We kind of know what is coming with 10.2 (probably DF's last big patch) and two days after its release we will know about 11.0.

I do not know, I find it suspicious. I still have the hope that the book shows that Vyranoth is still on team Incarnates and that everything that she has done recently was a farce. Just with that I would be happy

Honestly I think the big reveal will be something like

A) Tyr forcibly converted Vyranoth's babies and is super shady (10.2/10.2.5 villain/antagonist reveal)
B) Xal'atath is the one who converted Iridikron (11.0 villain/antagonist reveal)

I would love if we get Magatha too.

[Reive]

BTW, War of the Scaleborn (DF's novel) is releasing on October 31, just two days before Blizzcon... maybe it has some massive implications?

The release date is curious because DF would be practically over at that point. We kind of know what is coming with 10.2 (probably DF's last big patch) and two days after its release we will know about 11.0.

I do not know, I find it suspicious. I still have the hope that the book shows that Vyranoth is still on team Incarnates and that everything that she has done recently was a farce. Just with that I would be happy

probably related to the epilogue of patch 10.2 and not the blizzcon.

[KayRule]

I'm pretty sure everyone knew Dragons/Dragon Isles would be involved, not that it would JUST be Dragons. That was the big disappointment at launch.

I personally am praying for something that isn't a disconnected Dwarfclysm Filler Island expansion, considering that's what we just had.

Not only was it argued down to announcement, people even claiming the leaked strings were "red herrings" but on the site by Blizzard to misdirect for the obvious Void/Underground/Revamp/Tinker expansion, DF from reveal was always more than JUST Dragons. We have had constant content related directly to the Elements, Titans and the Dream throughout, so if you really think this is a filler expansion I have no idea what could possibly please you.

[Samin]

It just occurred to me that Stormbreak could be Classic+ expansion rather then a regular retail expack. Has Blizzard ever said they would do classic+ stuff?

I thought so too but so far the classic titles all had the "CLASSIC" subtitle.

But spinning off of that, wouldn't it be hilarious (because of the meltdowns) if they're actually doing a WoW 2 but it's a Classic Spinoff that continues after WotLK as an alternate timeline if Cataclysm never happened. Stormbreak could be about "breaking" through the storms between Kalimdor and EK and exploring the lands there, both those we know from "retail" as well as potentially new ones. It might even introduce dynamic flying through gryphon/wyvern riders as an alternative to dragonriding.

[Revamp Man]

Remember the pages of analysis that proved dragonflight logo fake?

[flan1337]

Remember the pages of analysis that proved dragonflight logo fake?

Okay but with hinde sight the Dragonflight logo is extremely well made compared to Stormbreak haha

Blizz probably step up their game to make fake logos extremely difficult now.

[justwatching]

We sorta know whats next for Classic. 1.15 has been on their internal dev server since April and has gotten updates as recently as last week(HC patch is 1.14.4) and they send out surveys about cataclysm a while ago.

Pretty clear that whats gonna happen there is a new Vanilla season(potentially with big updates) and cataclysm classic. Dont think you'll see named proper expansions for it.


As for the Stormbreak logo there is definitely a case to be made for returning to the "old style" logo IF they are doing some sort of revamp. But I doubt that.

[Nightshade711]

"... Warcraft, and WoW .... "

What does he mean by WARCRAFT?

Warcraft 4 confirmed!!!

Jk, but probably Arclight rumble. Maybe that unnamed survival game blizzard mentioned a while ago? If that wasn’t canceled.

[Samin]

Okay but with hinde sight the Dragonflight logo is extremely well made compared to Stormbreak haha

That's just hindsight being hindsight.

[Worldshaper]

Hypothetically, could Stormbreak be a Classic+ expansion but without the Classic part? Say, they choose to not use that branding for these expansions. They want it to feel like a separate timeline we're exploring, not just some nonsense they've built on top of Classic for funsies.

The pitch being: "What if we erased 15 or so years' worth of lore and offered an alternate timeline for players who just got turned off by all the cosmic stuff, and lore power creep... but we still keep Classic as its own thing, as a genuine way to experience the old game frozen in time."

Basically three ways to play World of Warcraft.

A. Keep pushing retail to its limits until it becomes frigging StarCraft.

B. Offer a middle-of-the-road approach, where the modern engine exists but the story hasn't progressed much beyond Vanilla yet. This version of the game won't begin meddling with Gods and stuff. It's the "what if" alternate timeline. Heck, maybe the story isn't even Vanilla. Maybe it's "the Dark Portal never opened" and the worst of our worries are gnolls, murlocs, defies, and the occasional dragon?

C. Classic in its different forms. Essentially a museum that preserves different versions of WoW and lets friends jump in for new seasons to relive the glory days.

Is there anything about our current datamining that makes this impossible, for example the preorder stuff?

[Cheezits]

Splitting Warcraft players between Classic, Classic+ and Retail sounds like a great way to kill the game unless they go F2P.