The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Houle]

Welp, it's over. Dwarfflight is back on the menu.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...mbreak-is-fake

I'm gonna start getting ready to quit now.

Oh well
NEXT
Someone tell it to red shirt guy on twitt - i mean Xelonstotallynotnsfwsite

[Teriz]

Yeah, Squally is after all the dwarf datamining.

What dwarf datamining?

It's most likely a Griffin pet.

If the Algarian Stormrider is an air elemental, then Squally is likely also an air elemental. If the Stormrider is a Gryphon, then sure, Squally could be a gryphon as well.

I HIGHLY doubt that though.

Fyrn could be any number of things including a plant pet.

Yes, another elemental of some kind.

Just like your obsession with tinkers of yesteryear that were definitely happening.

Tinkers are definitely happening. It's merely a matter of when they're happening, not if they're happening. That said, I don't think it'll be this expansion because we just got Evokers.

[Merryck]

That was obvious. I like it when the fake leakers confirm their leaks are fake as they get traction. Been seeing that accountability more this cycle.

[Triceron]

Anyway, the point is that you're not going to get anything like that until 24-48 hours before the actual announcement. You're a long way from that time frame.

"Nope, because leakers are never that elaborate. There was no leaks about a dragon race/class during 10.0's leak season either."

Your words, not mine. You made zero mention about anything regarding information near announcement.

You literally replied with completely false information, for reasons I don't know why you even bothered pointing out. You aren't exactly saving face by trying to change what you were trying to say.

If you had just said 'We might see something closer to release' then you wouldn't have to walk back your words. Or maybe better yet, fact check before you post. Hell, a simple 'Oops' works.

[Ferlion]

I'm telling you guys, the real name is Shadow of Azeroth.

[Marlamin]

I think something that helps in these kind of threads is to never say anything definitive. Saying "x is 100% going to happen" or "x is 100% not going to happen" regardless of how much 'evidence' one has, in a speculation thread, is silly. Nobody here works for Blizzard (and if you do what are you doing leave now), so you don't actually know if something is happening or not until it's publicly announced to be. Speculating is fun, going all in/against something only causes arguments that by definition won't go anywhere until official information is released. Stop treating this entire thing like some sort of betting war, it makes it far more fun for everyone involved.

[Ferlion]

I think something that helps in these kind of threads is to never say anything definitive. Saying "x is 100% going to happen" or "x is 100% not going to happen" regardless of how much 'evidence' one has, in a speculation thread, is silly. Nobody here works for Blizzard (and if you do what are you doing leave now), so you don't actually know if something is happening or not until it's publicly announced to be. Speculating is fun, going all in/against something only causes arguments that by definition won't go anywhere until official information is released. Stop treating this entire thing like some sort of betting war, it makes it far more fun for everyone involved.

Sure.

Nobody should be getting upset or competitive. Creative leaks are part of the fun

[Cheezits]

I think something that helps in these kind of threads is to never say anything definitive. Saying "x is 100% going to happen" or "x is 100% not going to happen" regardless of how much 'evidence' one has, in a speculation thread, is silly. Nobody here works for Blizzard (and if you do what are you doing leave now), so you don't actually know if something is happening or not until it's publicly announced to be. Speculating is fun, going all in/against something only causes arguments that by definition won't go anywhere until official information is released. Stop treating this entire thing like some sort of betting war, it makes it far more fun for everyone involved.

I think a lot of us are genuinely worried about the game, which makes leak season less fun this time around.

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

What dwarf datamining?

Lol My guy, you're funny. How many expansions did you go through with Tinkers are definitely happening this expansion? Keep moving the goal posts, it's cool.

I'm not going to point and hunt things out for you, because you'll just dismiss it. Check the front page of this site, check that other major WoW site. There's been Wildhammer stuff, weapons mostly, datamined and Bronzebeard weapons on the PTR. If you choose not to see them, it's on you. It's clear that you ignore everything that runs counter to your pet theories.

[Woggmer]

https://x.com/keyboardturn/status/17...486395071?s=20 hehe

Looks so fake.

YEP. This is the next expansion alright, a level of mediocrity that only Blizzard can provide that is on par with DF.
/s

(Though I will admit that even though it is fake, it did look pretty cool.)

[Swnem]

Looks so fake.

YEP. This is the next expansion alright, a level of mediocrity that only Blizzard can provide that is on par with DF.
/s

(Though I will admit that even though it is fake, it did look pretty cool.)

It makes some sense if it's bringing in housing.

The only problem is it fits all the leaks in in a little bow and it's far too convenient. It doesn't actually have any new information.

[Teriz]

Lol My guy, you're funny. How many expansions did you go through with Tinkers are definitely happening this expansion? Keep moving the goal posts, it's cool.

Um, zero.

I'm not going to point and hunt things out for you, because you'll just dismiss it. Check the front page of this site, check that other major WoW site. There's been Wildhammer stuff, weapons mostly, datamined and Bronzebeard weapons on the PTR. If you choose not to see them, it's on you. It's clear that you ignore everything that runs counter to your pet theories.

Oh, you mean the stuff likely coming to the trading post in November. I've seen it, and I do think it's intriguing. I don't believe the expansion theme is Dwarven-based, but I do think Dwarves will play a decent part in the next expansion in some way, since clearly "storm" is an aspect of the next expansion. Will 11.0 revolve around Dwarves? No, I don't think so, but I do think the dragonriding portion of next expansion could revolve around the player becoming a storm rider like the Wildhammer.

[Cheezits]

I don't like this leak, but it posits an interesting question:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...es-of-Avaloren

What if the "Heretics" of Avaloren are actually other Keepers/Titanforged?

[Woggmer]

I don't like this leak, but it posits an interesting question:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...es-of-Avaloren

What if the "Heretics" of Avaloren are actually other Keepers/Titanforged?

The leak itself is super fake.

Though, the idea that the "Heretics" are othe titan keepers/titanforged. It does make sense... hence the name "Heretics"...They might be constructs that have broken free from the Titan's grip and have their own governance and free will.

But that's just me spitballing.

[Dracullus]

I think a lot of us are genuinely worried about the game, which makes leak season less fun this time around.

Oh yeah, cause vibes in community late SL were fantastic xD. But why I compare to worst, we literally live in best period in WoW in long time, if they fuck up 11.0 it will be remembered with nostalgia. We always have people like you that say everything is shit and threat to leave game every 5 minutes.

[Cheezits]

Oh yeah, cause vibes in community late SL were fantastic xD. But why I compare to worst, we literally live in best period in WoW in long time, if they fuck up 11.0 it will be remembered with nostalgia. We always have people like you that say everything is shit and threat to leave game every 5 minutes.

I'd argue vibes are a little worse than they were at the end of SL. We knew SL was cut short, but we didn't know why, so there were higher hopes.

DF delivered in some aspects but it wasn't the WoW 2.0 a lot of people hoped for after BFA and SL made so many people mad. And now we're getting yet ANOTHER shorter expansion, and we don't know why. The idea that we are getting maybe ANOTHER WoW expansion that's short, with no factions or connection to the wider overall Azeroth, isn't a great feeling.

There is absolutely a possibility that we just get endless Dragonflights from this point. 3 raids, no factions, no old world. Little heritage quests every now and then to bait old fans into thinking the races matter and will get more plot some day, at a glacial pace.

[Ferlion]

I'd argue vibes are a little worse than they were at the end of SL. We knew SL was cut short, but we didn't know why, so there were higher hopes.

DF delivered in some aspects but it wasn't the WoW 2.0 a lot of people hoped for after BFA and SL made so many people mad. And now we're getting yet ANOTHER shorter expansion, and we don't know why. The idea that we are getting maybe ANOTHER WoW expansion that's short, with no factions or connection to the wider overall Azeroth, isn't a great feeling.

There is absolutely a possibility that we just get endless Dragonflights from this point. 3 raids, no factions, no old world.

Here's the thing with the short expansion mindset.

It ultimately doesn't matter. That is to say, there is absolutely something to be said about factions and the Old World. Those are both core parts of the franchise, and they are ones that I don't think Blizzard is going to abandon. Though I do think the days of faction war are over for good. Sadly, the population imbalance was allowed to go on until it was an actual detriment to the game.

But "shorter expansions" and only 3 raids?

I think as long as it gives us the content cadence of Dragonflight, that's only a good thing. We can argue all day about the quality of that, and I absolutely agree that Blizzard needs to expand it's overworld content and patch events. "Farm Rares" worked in MoP and is very much in need of a refresh.

But the whole idea of the expansion being short? As long as it ultimately gives us more content faster, that's only a good thing. And even if we have to have a end patch where we get to do all the expansions raids over again as a cycle, thats... honestly fine?

Like, one of the major complaints since ever was raids were one and done and loss relevance. Getting to go back, do multiple raids week after week instead of the same one months on end. I admit having a 4th raid could be fun, but we've had larger raids overall recently as well. No more three boss raids, or six boss raids.

3 raids but a content speed we used to have? That's brutal. But that isn't the case.

[Oatmeel]

I don't like this leak, but it posits an interesting question:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...es-of-Avaloren

What if the "Heretics" of Avaloren are actually other Keepers/Titanforged?

I thought this was pretty implicitly the case. A contingent of Keepers/Titanforged rebelled against Odyn and set up shop somewhere so well-defended that Watcher Perethales suggested they stop wasting resources and let them inevitably kill each other. Which they presumably haven’t.

Odyn’s inability to put down a rebellion from amongst his own probably remains a real sore spot, one that would get even worse if say, a newly resurrected Tyr were to sympathize more with their cause than Odyn’s hardline “the Titans must be seen as infallible” outlook. Titanforged civil war is very much on the horizon IMHO.

[Revamp Man]

New fake leak has made me think
What if the heretic stone forged are actually tortollans

Perfect timing for turtle shenanigans and an AR with the panda skeleton

[Cheezits]

But the whole idea of the expansion being short? As long as it ultimately gives us more content faster, that's only a good thing. And even if we have to have a end patch where we get to do all the expansions raids over again as a cycle, thats... honestly fine?

Like, one of the major complaints since ever was raids were one and done and loss relevance. Getting to go back, do multiple raids week after week instead of the same one months on end. I admit having a 4th raid could be fun, but we've had larger raids overall recently as well. No more three boss raids, or six boss raids.

3 raids but a content speed we used to have? That's brutal. But that isn't the case.

It's the least of my complaints, and I do like the DF content cadence. But I think it's rough in the overall stretch, as long as we aren't getting more gameplay modes. And it's absolutely symbolic of less focus on WoW by Blizzard overall.

No factions and no old world updates are the biggest issues to me. I have a feeling the Reclamation of Gilneas will be 10.2.5, but if it doesn't amount to anything for 3-4 IRL years, who cares?