The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Yus atath]

Does anyone have a non-twitter link to the 3 new datamined books?

[Reive]

Does anyone have a non-twitter link to the 3 new datamined books?

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[Wangming]

Aman'thul's view of Eonar planting that tree was probably the equivalent of them having a cheery bonfire next to a wooden daycare for puppies and babies and kittens during a dry season. Like we get it, it's pretty and exciting but absolutely not worth the risk so what the hell are you doing you lunatic put that out right now.

(not saying I agree with him, though world trees have had lots of problems over the years, just that that's his perspective)

We need a world Forest. Maybe that way at least one will stay alive.

[Yus atath]

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Thank you!


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[Wangming]

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Seems really related to storms. And also underground fissures.

Granted it could also relate to other stuff, but if we are looking for confirmation of the other leaks, this seems to support it.

[Nightmare Queen]

Just idle speculation. What if the tree was planted there and Un'goro became a crater when Aman'thul plucked it. What if Ilgynoth sprouted from it. (Why was there a World Tree on Un'goro in the Nightmare anyway?). What if the roots open up in an underground tree and forest in a Hollow Earth style expansion?

Secret World Legends literally has a 'Hollow Earth tree', would be cool to see in WoW

[loras]

I honestly don't think there is such a think as Elemental at a cosmic level. Sure there is Murmur. But it is all there is, his lore never made sense and it's probably a brain fart of some TBC dev in one of the least consistent expansions in WoW.

Well, the grandest-god (so far) in Warcraft is supposedly the "Clockmaker". Even a clockmaker needs some elementary materials to make his clockwork universe.

It'd explain why things like sound exist in every realm if he is more primordial than those higher concept cosmic thingies.

[Nightmare Queen]

Hollow Earth concepts also often had a dinosaur focus but I did not go there because in WoW we associated dinosaurs mostly with Zandalar.

Ofc that could be the tie-in for the Horde. Maybe Xibala was born there!

Didn't Xibala have really disturbing abilities? Like being said to make people cough up blood. Sounds like something that'd make Bwonsamdi shit himself lol

[Wangming]

Secret World Legends literally has a 'Hollow Earth tree', would be cool to see in WoW

Ahh Secret World has such a cool vibe. I love it. If only the combat was actually fun.

[elderu]

Hey so what's up with the name "AVALOREN" being from Keepers/Watchers associated with Odyn?

Think about Odyn's "Val"ajar, his "Val'kyr", and his Halls/Trials of "Valor"..

is it possible we've been reading too much into a nickname specifically dubbed by Odyn?
and that the continent or "Accursed Isle" it's referred to as in fact has another real name?

A"valor"en, I mean is it a total coincidence that the first time this name shows up, it's alongside this context, these beings, whom which "val" or "valor" always had a distinct linguistic use?

[Houle]

Well, the grandest-god (so far) in Warcraft is supposedly the "Clockmaker". Even a clockmaker needs some elementary materials to make his clockwork universe.

It'd explain why things like sound exist in every realm if he is more primordial than those higher concept cosmic thingies.

The clockmaker was never ever confirmed to exist. It was a weird idea that was floating around but not officially introduced so far at all.
And even if he does exist, why exactly would he need "elementary materials" to make something? This is a high fantasy story, him just creating stuff out of nothing would not be weird or somehow impossible at all.

[Cheezits]

The Fifth Old God being wrapped up in vines/roots now makes a lot more sense IMO.

[Nightmare Queen]

Not the map explicitly, but there is some form of landmass west of Kalimdor (would have been Pangaea Kalimdor at the time, but point remains)

Maybe a small part of the landmass drifted off into the west when the Sundering happened?
Y'know, an expac that takes place in an Azeroth that DIDN'T have a cataclysmic event would be fun actually.

[loras]

The clockmaker was never ever confirmed to exist. It was a weird idea that was floating around but not officially introduced so far at all.
And even if he does exist, why exactly would he need "elementary materials" to make something? This is a high fantasy story, him just creating stuff out of nothing would not be weird or somehow impossible at all.

Well, because as we know Murmur (blessed be his absurd overpoweredness) exists and all sound hails from him.

Add materials and a theoretical clockmaker and you've a case for "conceptuals"; true elementals of foundational powers

[ZyntosAran]

Maybe a small part of the landmass drifted off into the west when the Sundering happened?
Y'know, an expac that takes place in an Azeroth that DIDN'T have a cataclysmic event would be fun actually.

I am all in for a War of the Ancients Expansion.
Bring in a storm that is Time Infused, which transports us to the WotA. Like in Knaaks Books.

[Teriz]

Weird to be thankful for something unconfirmed.
It’s like being thankful for Undermine/Tinkers being in DF before the announcement.

At this point its rather clear that 11.0 will not be a void expansion of any sort. More likely its going to be taking place on a new continent surrounded by storms, alongside Avaloren and Khaz Algar playing secondary roles.

[Viridiel]

The storms of the storming sea are obviously a byproduct of the eternal clash going on on the other side of the planet between cosmic Light and Void. The element closest to Light is Air, and Void, Water. Air + Water = Storms.

[Lady Atia]

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Cool, it confirms again that there is a Realm of Life, aswell as their own version of Eternal Ones in it.



I'm still saying that all the Shadowlands lore would have been more liked if they had seeded it during Legion and BfA. The Nightmare Raid and Ursoc's death there could have given us a tease for Ardenweald, while the Maldraxxi could have appeared in a side quest on Argus, maybe even with a Drakka tease there. Similiary, we could have gotten a side plot with a Kyrian during the 4th War who would be wondering why all the souls go into the Maw, or a Dreadlord hinting at Revendreth.

[Wangming]

Well, because as we know Murmur (blessed be his absurd overpoweredness) exists and all sound hails from him.

Add materials and a theoretical clockmaker and you've a case for "conceptuals"; true elementals of foundational powers

Funny thing is I had this insane theory that whatever Zovaal was afraid of is sound related. Because sound isn't really something you can fit into the wow comsology as a force, so it is technically outside of it.

[Teriz]

This is the best idea you've had and is super cute. I want it to be true.

It makes sense given the info we currently have. I could certainly see a world tree battle pet with root-style attacks.