The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

Metzen will get Titan lore back on track because he gets the appeal.

[Izalla]

I was thinking this too, but it seems so heavy handed that it can't be anything other than that. I don't know of any other ideas besides Other Side of Azeroth. Hopium makes me want to say world revamp, but even then, does this storyline just get put on hold?

The Algarian Stormrider basically confirms it. It seems very unlikely Khaz Algar was located on the original Kalimdor landmass, and exploring the "back side" of the map has always been impossible because of storms that anyone who ventured into, never came back from. It's just weird they seeded it so late compared to previous expacs.

Actually, was there anything in BFA island expedition lore seeding that could relate to this? I didn't really do island expeditions and only got my lore tidbits from MMOC.

[flan1337]

btw the netflix warcraft thing is indeed fake
not AI so I was wrong there.

https://x.com/Skoll_Shorties/status/...679152828?s=20

[milkmustache]

Regardless of how good it is, if the next expansion is just another island with no lasting implications for the game, they are pretty silly to even bring Metzen back for it.

I'm far more #teamworldrevamp than I am Other Side of Azeroth, but I don't think I agree with this take at all.

My interpretation of Metzen's return is that the team was having difficulty with continuing the story after cycling through all of the extensions of Warcraft 3. A lot of people have had huge issues with Shadowlands and Dragonflight due to how separate they feel from the old world, and I agree that it is a huge issue. I think if they are dead set on introducing a new continent, whether it be for story reasons, technical reasons, whatever, opposed to a world revamp at this time, bringing the guy who created it all to help you write a pretty significant next chapter is at the very least a pretty decent attempt at appeasing community issues with it feeling disconnected from the world and lore they are attached to.

That being said, porque no los dos, other side and world revamp plz

The Algarian Stormrider basically confirms it. It seems very unlikely Khaz Algar was located on the original Kalimdor landmass, and exploring the "back side" of the map has always been impossible because of storms that anyone who ventured into, never came back from. It's just weird they seeded it so late compared to previous expacs.

I'm going to irrationally stand pat with the idea that Khaz Algar is located on EK due to the fact it has the Khaz prefix. I know I'm going to be wrong, but I'll hold on another month.

[Merryck]

For the record glassing Azeroth if we couldn't defeat Algalon would've been the right move. Those other planets frankly had a skill issue.

[Galtak]

Apparently, there are TWO other books besides the one with the green dragon.

“The Legend of Elun’Ahir”
“On the Nature of the Dream”

I found the "The Legend of Elun’Ahir" on the PTR inside the inn at the Central Encampment.
Basically it reads that Eonar was given a branch of "G'Hanir" by Elune and planted it so life could bloom and called it "Elun'ahir".
Aman'Thul got mad citing it not Order and removed it, leaving a crater but with the roots intact. Eonar's tears fueled it and strange guardians came to protect it.

I thought it was Sholozar Basin at first, but I'm going to guess this is the 'fissure' where Khaz Algar is and what caused this Curse of Flesh.

[Hitei]

For the record glassing Azeroth if we couldn't defeat Algalon would've been the right move. Those other planets frankly had a skill issue.

It's more vaporization than glassing.

[Cheezits]

I found the "Tradgedy of Erinethria" on the PTR inside the inn at the Central Encampment.
Basically it reads that Eonar was given a brance of "Ghanir" by Elune and planted it so life could bloom and called it "Elun'ahir".
Aman'Thul got mad citing it not Order and removed it, leaving a crater but with the roots intact. Eonar's tears fueled it and strange guardians came to protect it.

I thought it was Sholozar Basin at first, but I'm going to guess this is the 'fissure' where Khaz Algar is and what caused this Curse of Flesh.

The book names all got mixed up, so this is probably The Legend of Elun'Ahir.

Interesting implication of a shitty Aman'thul. And confirmed that Eonar and Elune have a special connection outside the Titans strict ideologies.

Also the branch is probably from "G'Hanir" which is a famous tree in the dream.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

There's literally no indication that this is any expansion. Backside of Azeroth, shrouded by storms is pretty much all we can assume. With Iridikron continuing into the next expansion, of course, we can add that there will be hints of void involved. It won't be solely the stone storm and magma fest you are hoping for.

But you know this. You still troll regardless.

Also considering the reveal that The Black Empire's prosperity was obscured by the titan, who's not to say that a part of it has remained, and perhaps thrived, on the other side of Azeroth?

We know the Earthern of Khaz Algar were affected by the curse of flesh, but what if they refer to it as a blessing? A side of Azeroth where Void and Old Gods are good, and Titans and Order and Light are the aggressors. Not that could be a tweest.

[Revamp Man]

"Sky continent" is definitely on my top 3 list.

I mean towellie did say we would be changing how we get around and he never explicitly said underground

[Merryck]

The book names all got mixed up, so this is probably The Legend of Elun'Ahir.

Interesting implication of a shitty Aman'thul. And confirmed that Eonar and Elune have a special connection outside the Titans strict ideologies.

Also the branch is probably from "G'Hanir" which is a famous tree in the dream.

It's not interesting. Danuser's idea of a compelling cosmos is giving all the cosmic forces OCD? When before they had nuance. Like destroying a tree because muh order is just boring and makes Aman'thul out as a pure asshole. If instead he destroyed it because he recognised it could act as a conduit for the void to corrupt Azeroth, that'd be more interesting and consistent with how they've been written in the past.

[Cheezits]

Sea
Earth
Sky

Jinyu
Dwarves
????

????
Khaz Algar
????

Azshara
Iridikron
Xal'atath?? (Space instead of sky is a reach, but yeah)

Maybe we're in for a theme of threes.

[Scyth]

That Green Dragon book is very interesting. Adds more fuel to the titans are bad theories I guess. Bad maybe being the wrong word here, more like they only believe their way is the right one and don't agree with anything else.

[Cheezits]

It's not interesting. Danuser's idea of a compelling cosmos is giving all the cosmic forces OCD? When before they had nuance. Like destroying a tree because muh order is just boring and makes Aman'thul out as a pure asshole. If instead he destroyed it because he recognised it could act as a conduit for the void to corrupt Azeroth, that'd be more interesting and consistent with how they've been written in the past.

I'm going to check the book out on PTR, but how is Aman'thul doing his job him being an asshole? They are statue alien gods with a mission.

Eonar is the one weirdly deviating from their path, he's just doing what he is meant to do. Instill Order through Arcane.

Also: Aman'thul dooming Noz to corrupt and die (while seemingly hiding that this IS possible to avoid) is a similar idea to this. Man has a mission. Preserve their #1 timeline at all costs.

[Galtak]

Sorry yes, this is "The Legend of Elun'Ahir". Haven't eaten today lol.
i'll edit my post

[Myrrh]

I found the "The Legend of Elun’Ahir" on the PTR inside the inn at the Central Encampment.
Basically it reads that Eonar was given a branch of "G'Hanir" by Elune and planted it so life could bloom and called it "Elun'ahir".
Aman'Thul got mad citing it not Order and removed it, leaving a crater but with the roots intact. Eonar's tears fueled it and strange guardians came to protect it.

I thought it was Sholozar Basin at first, but I'm going to guess this is the 'fissure' where Khaz Algar is and what caused this Curse of Flesh.

This is super interesting. The weird order-bot boss in the upcoming raid that was planted by Eonar felt super out of place to me, but the idea of some friction between the titans' ideals is fascinating.

Also remember that recent Nzoth quote? Something about roots reaching ever deeper... amirdrassil may be a red herring.

[Merryck]

I'm going to check the book out on PTR, but how is Aman'thul doing his job him being an asshole? They are statue alien gods with a mission.

Eonar is the one weirdly deviating from their path, he's just doing what he is meant to do. Instill Order through Arcane.

Also: Aman'thul dooming Noz to corrupt and die (while seemingly hiding that this IS possible to avoid) is a similar idea to this. Man has a mission. Preserve their #1 timeline at all costs.

That is literally all Danuser's writing and it makes me puke. Before Shadowlands, the Titan's mission was to protect the universe from chaos and nurture Azeroth. They took some extreme measures, but overall their goals were noble. But Danuser had to shat all over that with his capitalised Order bullshit.

[Cheezits]

I wonder what the Amirdrassil map is like if it's so poorly encrypted.

[Cheezits]

That is literally all Danuser's writing and it makes me puke. Before Shadowlands, the Titan's mission was to protect the universe from chaos and nurture Azeroth. They took some extreme measures, but overall their goals were noble. But Danuser had to shat all over that with his capitalised Order bullshit.

Oh man, if the implication is that Elune and Eonar were banging...

[Ferlion]

I found the "The Legend of Elun’Ahir" on the PTR inside the inn at the Central Encampment.
Basically it reads that Eonar was given a branch of "G'Hanir" by Elune and planted it so life could bloom and called it "Elun'ahir".
Aman'Thul got mad citing it not Order and removed it, leaving a crater but with the roots intact. Eonar's tears fueled it and strange guardians came to protect it.

I thought it was Sholozar Basin at first, but I'm going to guess this is the 'fissure' where Khaz Algar is and what caused this Curse of Flesh.

Hmm.

That's a weird one. G'hanir is a super old concept (and was the afterlife for flying creatures for a while)...

But it being a gift from Elune? It was made by Freya. That much is fairly specific, from the artifact quest chains. I'd take this at it's face. A legend.

But if I had to guess, G'hanir was in Hyjal/Winterspring.