The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Myrrh]

Didn't Elune bang a stag?

I know someone joked about Elune being as randy as Zeus, but it could be really lore-fitting? Like if she's a life deity, which has been pretty strongly suggested, then it makes sense that she's running around banging other deities left right and centre to create new life. Adds to the 'chaotic' theme they're going for with life too - she's playing god with whacky new lifeforms.

I have no hopes that they'll lean into this, but I'd like it very much.

[Viridiel]

The Legend of Elun'Ahir

1
As we gather to defend Amirdrassil, we cannot help but recall the tragic fates of world trees past.
Those lost to sacrifice. To corruption. To flame.
Yet there is an ancient tale--some claim it merely a legend--that tells of an earlier world tree that also met a sorrowful fate. Though it lived only a short time, its legacy endures.

2
Long before the first dragons drew breath, Azeroth was conquered by writhing horrors that plummeted from the skies and infested our world.
The Old Gods.
How long the reign of their Black Empire lasted, we cannot know. Surely it must have been a time of unimaginable suffering.
But at long last, there came hope.

3
The brave titan Aggramar discovered Azeroth, shining like a beacon in the Great Dark.
As he gazed upon the beauty and power of its slumbering soul, he realized it was imperiled. He told the other members of the Pantheon how the world they sought had been corrupted by the Old Gods.
The titans gathered to eradicate this dark influence.

4
Seeking to bring hope and healing, our patron titan, Eonar, carried a gift given to her by Elune--a branch of G'Hanir, the mother world tree.
The titan believed that the influence of Life would drive the darkness away.
So she reached down her hand and shaped the soil of Azeroth, planting the branch where it could be fed by river and sky.

5
The branch swiftly grew into a tree, its roots extending deep, deep below the surface. Eonar smiled, for everywhere the roots stretched, new life emerged.
She called the tree Elun'Ahir, in honor of her great love.
When Aman'Thul saw what Eonar had done, he chided her. "This is not Order!" he bellowed. "You have infected this world with uncontrolled chaos!"
The Highfather took hold of the world tree's trunk and tore it from the earth.

6
Eonar wept bitter tears that rained down upon the resulting crater.
But as she peered down upon the sundered earth, the titan realized a truth she did not share with the Highfather.
Though he had destroyed the tree, its winding roots still held firm beneath the soil, hidden from Aman'Thul's gaze.

7
As the forces of the titans waged war against the Black Empire, Eonar bid her keeper, Freya, to watch over the crater and nurture the life that blossomed there.
Below ground, the roots fed upon the tears of Eonar and grew strong.
The war was long, but in the end, the titans claimed victory. And Eonar was pleased, knowing Elune's legacy would endure.

8
It is said that much later, as the world entered a new age, mysterious guardians arrived who dedicated their lives to protecting the roots.
But that is a tale for another time.
Now let us stand with our allies to defend Amirdrassil, crown of harmony. Together, we will preserve this symbol of hope. This symbol of the future.

[Teriz]

There's literally no indication that this is any expansion. Backside of Azeroth, shrouded by storms is pretty much all we can assume. With Iridikron continuing into the next expansion, of course, we can add that there will be hints of void involved. It won't be solely the stone storm and magma fest you are hoping for.

But you know this. You still troll regardless.

Again, the story of that green dragon works with the datamined assets that we know come from 11.0, and those assets are decidedly Storm based. From the storm rider achievement to the heroic mount to the battle let called squally, it all goes together. It even works with Thrall being on the key art.

Conversely, there’s zero void-related stuff in that datamined material. I think it’s time to put that expansion theory in the dustbin.

[Xilurm]

I'm so annoyed that they're making Aman'thul out to be a dick. Fuck sakes these writers man...

[Cheezits]

Algalon isn't a titan. He's a constellar employed by the Titans who literally lies about the results of the the Titan's detection system in order to give mortals a chance. That is the point. If it was left up to the Titans, the result would have gone through and everyone would be dead. The Titan's systems were tricked into letting us survive.

The Constellars are the coolest mystery in WoW to me. Algalon is clearly a Titan servant, but even he has this ethereal and epic presence that not even the Titans really have when we meet them in Legion. And then we get very odd things like Harbaron the implied Corrupted Constellar (working for a lowly ex-Keeper's Assistant?) and then Rygelon is installed in the Sepulcher by who knows what (maybe the Titans because they got to Ordos).

Are they Titan creations? A race working with the Titans? First One followers that are working for the Titans, who may very well be the First Ones descendants or reincarnations, explaining their similarities?

[Cheezits]

I'm so annoyed that they're making Aman'thul out to be a dick. Fuck sakes these writers man...

Is he wrong? Have we not seen what happens when you plant World Trees willy nilly in Azeroth?

Eonar plants a giant tree on Azeroth, harboring a Titan, just because she can/because of her 'love'. Who knows how it could have fucked up the world soul?

[Teriz]

The Legend of Elun'Ahir

I’m starting to believe that Fyrn is a tiny tree representing the new World tree.

[Merryck]

The Constellars are the coolest mystery in WoW to me. Algalon is clearly a Titan servant, but even he has this ethereal and epic presence that not even the Titans really have when we meet them in Legion. And then we get very odd things like Harbaron the implied Corrupted Constellar and then Rygelon is installed in the Sepulcher by who knows what (maybe the Titans because they got to Ordos).

Are they Titan creations? A race working with the Titans? First One followers that are working for the Titans, who may very well be the First Ones descendants or reincarnations, explaining their similarities?

They're just spectral Vrykul so, yeah, they're creations of the Titans.

[Houle]

Is he wrong? Have we not seen what happens when you plant World Trees willy nilly in Azeroth?

Pretty true actually. Everytime a world tree has been planted, it was either used for bad shit, or someone TRIED to use it for bad shit and almost succeeded. Amirdrassil being the latest addition.

On the overall story: sucks pretty badly.

[Xilurm]

Is he wrong? Have we not seen what happens when you plant World Trees willy nilly in Azeroth?

Eonar plants a giant tree on Azeroth, harboring a Titan, just because/because of her 'love'. Who knows how it could have fucked up the world soul?

It's not that though. It's the way it's written.



"This is not Order!"

It's like a parody or something. It's so weird. He sounds so 1 dimensional.

And besides it doesn't even matter if he's right or wrong. The writers intent is for people to dislike him while obviously feeling sympathetic for Eonar.

[Cheezits]

It's not that though. It's the way it's written.

"This is not Order!"

It's like a parody or something. It's so weird. He sounds so 1 dimensional.

Yeah, because it's a fable.

[lostsoup]

When Aman'Thul saw what Eonar had done, he chided her. "This is not Order!" he bellowed. "You have infected this world with uncontrolled chaos!"

I wonder how literal the "chaos" part is meant to be taken. Either way, it sounds like Elune is a member of a different pantheon, probably life or disorder. And Eonar is just really into her, which I guess explains Elunaria from Legion.

[Cheezits]

I wonder how literal the "chaos" part is meant to be taken. Either way, it sounds like Elune is a member of a different pantheon, probably life or disorder.

I think the implication is that Life unchecked is chaotic, which checks out with the Botani. So maybe the Titans besides Eonar weren't that cool with Life/Elune meddling.

[Ferlion]

It's not that though. It's the way it's written.



"This is not Order!"

It's like a parody or something. It's so weird. He sounds so 1 dimensional.

And besides it doesn't even matter if he's right or wrong. The writers intent is for people to dislike him while obviously feeling sympathetic for Eonar.

Yeah, this is just a story. It's not lore. It's not saying "This definitely happened"

[Xilurm]

Yeah, because it's a fable.

Yeah but, at the end of the day we as players are not going to take his side. It's not a game with dialogue or moral choices. We, the players are just passengers in this story.

[Ferlion]

I think the implication is that Life unchecked is chaotic, which checks out with the Botani. So maybe the Titans besides Eonar weren't that cool with Life/Elune meddling.

Think back to the last patch of Shadowlands.

The six forces were split into two groups.

Fel, Life and Void were chaos and change.
Death, Light and Order were stagnation.

It probably did happen, just not in the exact way it's being portrayed here.

Ehh...

I'm not 100% sure. Because that would mean G'hanir existed before Azeroth and the Emerald Dream was formed.
The Emerald Dream may be a realm of life in the greater context, but the Emerald Dream on Azeroth was 100% shaped by the Titans. They actively made changes to it and turned it into a blueprint. Much like creating pocket realms like they did with Hel.

[Viridiel]

I wonder how literal the "chaos" part is meant to be taken. Either way, it sounds like Elune is a member of a different pantheon, probably life or disorder. And Eonar is just really into her, which I guess explains Elunaria from Legion.

The oracle in Zereth Mortis implied that Life, Disorder, and Void are part of some mega-group of chaos and randomness, with Death, Order, and Light being the opposite. But the elements and unordered magic are also called "chaotic" or "wild", so unless they're secretly part of said megagroup, the titans might just call everything chaotic that isn't theirs.

[Xilurm]

Yeah, this is just a story. It's not lore. It's not saying "This definitely happened"

So you mean it could be another "Chronicles" situation?

[Cheezits]

It probably did happen, just not in the exact way it's being portrayed here.

Yeah. The gist is "Eonar planted a world tree somewhere, Aman'thul didn't approve, called it chaotic, tore it out. It still lived on but grew in a strange way." We don't know if they held council meetings, had sit downs, or anything.

I think the implication is that it grew underground, which would lead to some kind of Hollow Earth thing.

[Myrrh]

I wonder how literal the "chaos" part is meant to be taken. Either way, it sounds like Elune is a member of a different pantheon, probably life or disorder. And Eonar is just really into her, which I guess explains Elunaria from Legion.

One of the oracles in zereth mortis links the cosmic powers in trios; death, order and light (all very structured), then life, disorder and void (all about innovation, opportunity etc. Basically unrestricted).