The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I think the Megadungeon will have to do with the Decay plot.

[Dracullus]

I noticed usual suspects already start bitching, of course with new set of arguments. Well, cycle must continue, and if Blizzard won't support expac with good patch every 3-4 months, one day these voices will be more loud than praises.

[Jeryl59]

That whole Bronze dragon area is overdesigned if it isn't going to be used for something else.

I expect a Torghast successor rather than a traditional dungeon or raid. Randomized timelines.

Same. I made a feature idea a while back and really hope something like this will be made someday. https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rgreen-content

[Black Rider]

Keep in mind 10.0.5 is also on the way which could add some more of that.

Interesting thig is
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...sible-spoilers
Is this from 10.0.5 or 10.1?

[Nyel]

I think the Megadungeon will have to do with the Decay plot.

With the Decatriarch as the final boss, again? Or the one behind her power and she's just another boss?

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Interesting thig is
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...sible-spoilers
Is this from 10.0.5 or 10.1?

This seems to be from the 8/9 main campaign quest which is locked behind renown 24 for Dragonscale Expedition ("In the Halls of Titans").

[Lady Atia]

With the Decatriarch as the final boss, again? Or the one behind her power and she's just another boss?

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This seems to be from the 8/9 main campaign quest which is locked behind renown 24 for Dragonscale Expedition ("In the Halls of Titans").

If we see her again this Expansion it will be in a raid - doing the same boss twice in a dungeon would be weird (that said, they also did Xymox twice in raid within Shadowlands so who knows). Still, I would expect her to appear during the potential Galakrond raid *shrugs*.

[Nymrohd]

With the Decatriarch as the final boss, again? Or the one behind her power and she's just another boss?

Nah, don't have her as a boss, just have her make an appearance. I'd actually tie her in with the Nathrezim. Decay and Disease is totally their theme (see Apocalypse) and it would help keep Denathrius relevant. Not sure were I would place the Megadungeon or what it would even be, I'd just have it be a secret Nathrezim plot.

[Nyel]

If we see her again this Expansion it will be in a raid - doing the same boss twice in a dungeon would be weird (that said, they also did Xymox twice in raid within Shadowlands so who knows). Still, I would expect her to appear during the potential Galakrond raid *shrugs*.

Yeah, I would like her as a raid boss as well - maybe "empowered" and as kind of an "Elemental of Decay"?

I mean they love to reuse bosses, Kael'thas in TBC from raid boss to dungeon boss to "raid boss" in Shadowlands again...

[Cheezits]

Nah, don't have her as a boss, just have her make an appearance. I'd actually tie her in with the Nathrezim. Decay and Disease is totally their theme (see Apocalypse) and it would help keep Denathrius relevant. Not sure were I would place the Megadungeon or what it would even be, I'd just have it be a secret Nathrezim plot.

I forgot that Nathrezim have Decay spells, and now we know those aren't really Death magic, so it's curious that they know how to.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, I would like her as a raid boss as well - maybe "empowered" and as kind of an "Elemental of Decay"?

I mean they love to reuse bosses, Kael'thas in TBC from raid boss to dungeon boss to "raid boss" in Shadowlands again...

There are probably over a thousand dungeon and raid bosses by now. How many have been reused to qualify as "they love to" do it?

[Nyel]

There are probably over a thousand dungeon and raid bosses by now. How many have been reused to qualify as "they love to" do it?

Entire Naxxramas, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Kael'thas and for sure dozens of others in different shapes and colors - it wasn't even a complaint, I was just saying that they do bring back dungeon or raid bosses when it fits the narrative.

[Marlamin]

Interesting thig is
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...sible-spoilers
Is this from 10.0.5 or 10.1?

As someone mentioned, this is from the current 10.0 campaign.

[Northelim]

The Realm of Order will come in due time, I trust Blizzard in the process. I just don't think the Void plot will be as fast coming as people claim.

Fair enough. But you can't deny that Void has been getting built up for a very very long time now. I think 13.0 is a safe bet for void.

[The Stormbringer]

Do you all think, if there's a Murozond raid, that at the end he'll Time Stop us and retreat to End Time, thus completing the cycle of him dying there when we killed him in a 5-man? We weaken him with much larger forces and then finish him off "later" with a smaller squad of troops.

[Sondrelk]

Do you all think, if there's a Murozond raid, that at the end he'll Time Stop us and retreat to End Time, thus completing the cycle of him dying there when we killed him in a 5-man? We weaken him with much larger forces and then finish him off "later" with a smaller squad of troops.

I really hope so. Feels like it would be not just a retcon, but flat out a missed opportunity to almost quite literally have our past selves defeat Murozond afte we have weakened him a bit first.

That being said, I wouldnt be shocked if we get an alternate end to Murozond where he goes back to being Nozdormu or whatever. Just seems like the kind of direction the writers would take it.

[Lolites]

It would be pretty funny, and awesome, if the expansion all around the skies and a new flight system takes us to an underground zone. It could make some really good use of dragonriding.

if we go underground in DF it will be something similar to deepholme for sure - basicaly massive open cave

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Do you all think, if there's a Murozond raid, that at the end he'll Time Stop us and retreat to End Time, thus completing the cycle of him dying there when we killed him in a 5-man? We weaken him with much larger forces and then finish him off "later" with a smaller squad of troops.

I'll one up ya, the raid itself doubles back to End Time and we fight Murozond there, draw with him, and then the metaphorical torch is handed off to our past selves to finish him off.

Explaining how in an 85 dungeon we were able to beat a boss from a 70 (140) raid.

[Nymrohd]

I'll one up ya, the raid itself doubles back to End Time and we fight Murozond there, draw with him, and then the metaphorical torch is handed off to our past selves to finish him off.

Explaining how in an 85 dungeon we were able to beat a boss from a 70 (140) raid.

I mean we did have the Hourglass on our side.

[Northelim]

How would 13.0 be a rush? 11 and 12 are whole 2 new expansions. What are you expecting too see then before the Void?

[Northelim]

Elements, Order Realm, Life Realm, Light plotline, etc.

Elements I could see in 11.0 as a follow up after 10.0 I agree there.

I do believe there will be a Order expansion, but I'd argue 12.0 is too soon for that. The life realm, I could see as well but not anytime soon. If anything Light first, but I believe it's far too soon for that. Shadowlands had a lot of light development in Revendrerh I could see it maybe in 14.0 or later. The reason why I believe 13.0 is void is because they've been built up for longer than the light.

Blizzard also confirmed thar starting with Dragonflight and moving forward the expansions are longer going to be self contained stories - this means the arc won't end in a typical fashion where you kill the big bad and call it quits like in SL. The elements make sense to follow up right after DF because the whole element theme is heavily involved. You can bet your ass Void is involved as well and the Order, but which comes first is a different question altogether.