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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Medivh was also Lord of the ravens.
    Depends on how we want to read it.

    Odyn has 2 ravens associated with his Havi persona/disguise. Have we ever seen ravens associated with normal titanic form?

    Medivh is adorned with raven feathers, a raven staff, and shapeshifts/polymorphs into a raven.

    Both are strong candidates. We havent seen Medivh for s while but hes still active. Odyn could quite easily go big baby rage Prime Designate and do something that initiates that whisper/prophecy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Just learned about the Elun'ahir thing. The implications about Elune and Eonar's relationship now explains in retrospect why Eonar has the Tear of Elune.
    And it is still weird to put love relationships in a fking living planets. They are not mortal, or we just assume they are just like Eternal ones, strong souls in celestial body? Cringe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The Chronicles NEVER explicitly state that Kalimdor is the only continent. Check it again
    I did. They're both the same size and shape, pre-sundering.

    This is Kalimdor during the Black Empire


    And this is Kalimdor after the Ordering

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancaris View Post
    And it is still weird to put love relationships in a fking living planets. They are not mortal, or we just assume they are just like Eternal ones, strong souls in celestial body? Cringe
    As if being planets stopped people from shipping things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    I did. They're both the same size and shape, pre-sundering.

    This is Kalimdor during the Black Empire


    And this is Kalimdor after the Ordering
    Sry, not close to the text right now but it doesn't say that Kalimdor is the ONLY continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB11 View Post
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    Sadge, it's that site again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancaris View Post
    And it is still weird to put love relationships in a fking living planets. They are not mortal, or we just assume they are just like Eternal ones, strong souls in celestial body? Cringe
    Gods have been screwing anything and everything that moves for as long as humans have come up with creation myths. Hardly worth batting an eyelid at if it's not your cup of tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Just idle speculation. What if the tree was planted there and Un'goro became a crater when Aman'thul plucked it. What if Ilgynoth sprouted from it. (Why was there a World Tree on Un'goro in the Nightmare anyway?). What if the roots open up in an underground tree and forest in a Hollow Earth style expansion?
    No reason to believe any of the above, it's not that we have any indication it is true. But it could fit the new lore.
    It wouldn't be totally nonsensical. Giant crater, beacon of life, missing tree in the Emerald Dream, etc. I could definitely see it making sense.
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    Yo i missed so many pages. those new books are definitely interesting. the one about the dragon fying through the storms supports the theory that next expansion will take place on the other side of azeroth

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    Btw, according to this line -"It is said that much later, as the world entered a new age, mysterious guardians arrived who dedicated their lives to protecting the roots"- there could be aliens on Azeroth protecting these "roots"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Gods have been screwing anything and everything that moves for as long as humans have come up with creation myths. Hardly worth batting an eyelid at if it's not your cup of tea.
    I think the general assumption was that any presented gender among the Titans and Eternals was meant to be symbolic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Sry, not close to the text right now but it doesn't say that Kalimdor is the ONLY continent.
    I believe it does. Vol 1 says that it's just the largest continent, vol 3 says it's the only continent. So it was already in dispute and it's not much of a surprise to go back to it just being the largest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    It wouldn't be totally nonsensical. Giant crater, beacon of life, missing tree in the Emerald Dream, etc. I could definitely see it making sense.
    Well I generally try not to speculate nonsensically, that spot is already overcrowded here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    Yo i missed so many pages. those new books are definitely interesting. the one about the dragon fying through the storms supports the theory that next expansion will take place on the other side of azeroth
    One thing I will say about this new lore is that it's one of the very, very few cases of new lore where my attitude doesn't span from mild disdain to absolutely detesting it. These new books are—dare I even utter the words—relatively interesting and something I'd like to see explored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiel View Post
    I believe it does. Vol 1 says that it's just the largest continent, vol 3 says it's the only continent. So it was already in dispute and it's not much of a surprise to go back to it just being the largest.
    Yeah I can probably check and give a direct quote in a few hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    One thing I will say about this new lore is that it's one of the very, very few cases of new lore where my attitude doesn't span from mild disdain to absolutely detesting it. These new books are—dare I even utter the words—relatively interesting and something I'd like to see explored.
    The way they choose to present Aman'thul is very pointed and transparent tbh. Which can work but I don't like blatant projection of real life issues in fantasy; absolutely project, politics are and should be present in everything but there should also be room for nuance and things don't need to be communicated with a sledgehammer approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    As if being planets stopped people from shipping things.

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    Sry, not close to the text right now but it doesn't say that Kalimdor is the ONLY continent.
    Even if it did say that - what game have they been following where that ever stopped anything? Certainly not WoW. Chronicles itself has been reframed into in-universe (i.e. fallible) titan-centric document. There's always room for retcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SB11 View Post
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    You could at least come up with something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The way they choose to present Aman'thul is very pointed and transparent tbh.
    I agree on the "(t)his is not Order" line being a bit stupid, but I think the overall mystery is interesting. I do admittedly worry they'll lean into the "authority figures bad" circlejerk that they've been on for some time. Still, I don't mind some internal conflict among the Pantheon, and this isn't wholly inconsistent with their prior portrayal.
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    The only mystery remaining in the story so far is how Tyr will react to Alexstrasza's obviously incoming Titan-free stance.

    What makes it hard to call is the contradiction in the info given about him this expansion.

    His logs in Uldaman imply he had no faith in the mortal races to choose Order for themselves and that they had to be forced.

    And then, 10.1 cutscene comes and it implies the exact opposite, with him giving his life for the mortals (yes, the ones that were literally warped by the Old Gods, which by proxy makes them much more prone to corruption) while stating himself that they can easily lose to chaos/darkness and yet still going through with it, allowing them to be the ones to preserve Order.

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    I wouldn't even start assuming that Elune and Eonar screwed. It just says love. While that could insinuate that, one's a Stone Statue from Space, the other may or may not be (depending on how the Lifelands are compared to the Shadowlands and how that whole Sister thing is going) basically a Robot, but at the very least there we have the mild insinuation if not (if I remember correctly) confirmation that at one point said maybe-Robot screwed a Stag.

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