The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Uh Nightshade was just saying that very thing; A void invasion leading to us going to Ka’resh in 11.0.

As a devil's advocate to your ridiculously hardlined stances.

I'm done for now.

[Ersula]

Every expansion from now on will have void/old god stuff in it

I mean, we talk about theming, but every expansion has ALL the things we're talking about to some extent. Legion introduced Xalatath. Maldraxxians talked about fighting the void lords. The old gods corrupted Deathwing, etc.

[Santandame]

We got leaks of N'Zoth's influence before BFA was announced. There were some cultists datamined during Legion that had N'Zoth tentacles on their robes. N'Zoth and Azshara were also showcased at the announcement, and of course we saw both in the Warbringers cinematic.

That said, there's a vast difference between an expansion with old god influence, and an expansion with us going to K'aresh or some void world.

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Old God presence? More than likely. Cosmic void/Void Lords? Nah.

Just like next expansion has a lead in with one of the current major antagonists making a deal with what is likely the final remaining Old God? Oh wait.

[Teriz]

As a devil's advocate to your ridiculously hardlined stances.

I'm done for now.

Again, it’s doubtful we’re going on a void crusade when the heroic mount for the next expansion is a Stormrider, we have a battle pet called Squally and Fyrn, and we have multiple achievements labeled “Storm Rider”. That on top of a story about a green dragon flying into storms to find new lands west of Kalimdor.

That all points in a certain direction, and it’s not the void.

[Santandame]

Having just watched the Ahsoka finale. I really wish WoW would have a villain like Thrawn. Someone who isn't a threat at all in a physical fight, all about the mental game, strategy and such. I think it could be a very refreshing change of pace from "rawr I am mad, I am gonna destroy the world, mortal fools rawr" we get every expansion.

I proposed this with Nightsquall and everyone went all “lol pirates such a downgrade when we’ve fought Titans!!!”

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Definitely the closest we have gotten so far, I'll give you that. He was still very much a threat in a fight though. I want someone as threatning as a Westfall Chicken, but hiding behind other benefactors of his plans.

Though I would disagree that Thrawn is as threatening as a westfall chicken. His threat comes from that he plans for every single variable and outcome. He studies every situation in depth before he engages. He’s prepared for everything. We need that in WoW.

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Why is the implication that Elune and Eonar were lovers? Could the love mentioned not be more in line with reverence/worship?

[Teriz]

Just like next expansion has a lead in with one of the current major antagonists making a deal with what is likely the final remaining Old God? Oh wait.

TBF, we have a lot of Dragonflight left before we can consider that a “lead in” to 11.0.

[Santandame]

TBF, we have a lot of Dragonflight left before we can consider that a “lead in” to 11.0.

Teriz, be real here. How do you propose that Fyrakk and Smolderon would be more of a lead in to presumably Avaloren and Khaz Algar than Iridikron, Xal’atath and the “heretics” that are quite obviously going to be void related in some form.

[milkmustache]

Again, it’s doubtful we’re going on a void crusade when the heroic mount for the next expansion is a Stormrider, we have a battle pet called Squally and Fyrn, and we have multiple achievements labeled “Storm Rider”. That on top of a story about a green dragon flying into storms to find new lands west of Kalimdor.

That all points in a certain direction, and it’s not the void.

Again, I'm literally saying the exact same thing. There's no reason to believe there's a void crusade. There is reason to believe that the void will play a heavy part in the antagonist's influences.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh no, please no. Shippers go wild with this stuff and I'm convinced they care more about their headcanon ships than what is actually going in the lore/story.

I was thinking pairing in the sense of them being imagined as a duo, though I'm not much less opposed to that because they have no shared objectives whatsoever.

[flan1337]

Teriz, be real here. How do you propose that Fyrakk and Smolderon would be more of a lead in to presumably Avaloren and Khaz Algar than Iridikron, Xal’atath and the “heretics” that are quite obviously going to be void related in some form.

Well we still should have a 10.2.5 and even a 10.2.7 which can involve Iridikron. I do hope for a legion ending however where Fryakk actions take us into the new xpack. Currently Fryakk seem to be doing his own thing so not sure what he could do inside the dream to fuck things up.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It would also probably just work out fine as patch content imo. Depends what they want with it. The world could be mostly deatroyed, but would still have one or two domes with survivors that we need to help escape for example.

Lots of options are possible, yes it could also be a full blown planet, but idk I am feeling more argus vibes with this.

I think it could work as a full planet; we haven't had an expansion set in a principally arid region, and it would be nice to see something like that. It would also be good to sell people on the Void actually being a destructive power by showing them a planet damaged by it. While it may sound better on paper for it to be utterly shattered, I think it could have more impact if we spend a significant amount of time in what remains of K'aresh, since it could demonstrate more strongly that a planet that used to be absolutely full of life has now been reduced to a fraction of what it used to be.

[Teriz]

Again, I'm literally saying the exact same thing. There's no reason to believe there's a void crusade. There is reason to believe that the void will play a heavy part in the antagonist's influences.

Well the problem is that you were responding to a post where I was addressing someone who WAS stating the possibility of a void invasion happening.

[Cheezits]

The fact that we didn't fight Zovaal at ICC, when ICC was used in the final minutes of his plan, is honestly kind of insane in retrospect.

[Reive]

The fact that we didn't fight Zovaal at ICC, when ICC was used in the final minutes of his plan, is honestly kind of insane in retrospect.

i feel like by the time 9.2 dropped they had already given up on the plot of shadowlands. they probably decided to end the expansion on a "to be continued"

[Kiivar86]

Every expansion from now on will have void/old god stuff in it

Hell I think we've had something void or old god in every expansion already, haven't we? So that won't change.

[Lady Atia]

The fact that we didn't fight Zovaal at ICC, when ICC was used in the final minutes of his plan, is honestly kind of insane in retrospect.

Now that you say it, I wonder how people would have reacted if Anduin would have been the final boss of the Sepulcher, with an ICC rehash were we fail at the Forge of Souls with the final part of the Sepulcher as the last 3 bosses for a 4th raid tier?

[Paula Deen]

Now that you say it, I wonder how people would have reacted if Anduin would have been the final boss of the Sepulcher, with an ICC rehash were we fail at the Forge of Souls with the final part of the Sepulcher as the last 3 bosses for a 4th raid tier?

You can just tell by the quality drop after Anduin that they originally intended something strikingly different than what we got.

I said last night, Ill say it again; if 9.2 ended with Anduin it would have been rightfully praised as the best content since Argus.

[Santandame]

Hell I think we've had something void or old god in every expansion already, haven't we? So that won't change.

Classic - C’thun
TBC - Ethereals, Dimensius, Arakkoa, the Shadowmoon Valley Old God
Wotlk- Yogg
Cata - N’Zoth, Deathwing, Cho’gall, Twilight Hammer
MoP - Y’Shaarj, Sha, Mantid
WoD - Cho’gall, Pale Orcs
Legion - Xal’atath, various hints such as the Fathom Dweller mystery, Drak’thul’s hints
BfA - The secondary theme of the expansion
SL - I genuinely can’t think of any here, the outlier?
DF - Iridikron, Harbinger, Fyrakk, Aberrus

The Void is the only constant threat we’ve had I believe.

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You can just tell by the quality drop after Anduin that they originally intended something strikingly different than what we got.

I said last night, Ill say it again; if 9.2 ended with Anduin it would have been rightfully praised as the best content since Argus.

Because of one boss change? That’s a stretch.

[Kiivar86]

Classic - C’thun
TBC - Ethereals, Dimensius, Arakkoa, the Shadowmoon Valley Old God
Wotlk- Yogg
Cata - N’Zoth, Deathwing, Cho’gall, Twilight Hammer
MoP - Y’Shaarj, Sha, Mantid
WoD - Cho’gall, Pale Orcs
Legion - Xal’atath, various hints such as the Fathom Dweller mystery, Drak’thul’s hints
BfA - The secondary theme of the expansion
SL - I genuinely can’t think of any here, the outlier?
DF - Iridikron, Harbinger, Fyrakk, Aberrus

The Void is the only constant threat we’ve had I believe.

Yeah Shadowlands was the one I was having difficulty recalling. Void-wise, there's the attack it made on Bastion that you can experience, and I think it also is mentioned in passing in Maldraxxus?

edit: Oh and speaking of Maldraxxus I suppose the arena boss there that's a shadow naaru.

[Nightshade711]

Classic - C’thun
TBC - Ethereals, Dimensius, Arakkoa, the Shadowmoon Valley Old God
Wotlk- Yogg
Cata - N’Zoth, Deathwing, Cho’gall, Twilight Hammer
MoP - Y’Shaarj, Sha, Mantid
WoD - Cho’gall, Pale Orcs
Legion - Xal’atath, various hints such as the Fathom Dweller mystery, Drak’thul’s hints
BfA - The secondary theme of the expansion
SL - I genuinely can’t think of any here, the outlier?
DF - Iridikron, Harbinger, Fyrakk, Aberrus

The Void is the only constant threat we’ve had I believe.

The only thing in SL that I remember is the void invasion world quest. (And the memorial for it I think)
Oh yeah and the void Naaru somewhere