The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Polybius]

Guys Marlamin has already posted about how likely the mount and pet and achievements are to be related to the pre-order, and he has way more experience and knowledge in this area than Teriz, who will never admit someone understands better than he does about anything apparently. No need to argue about this AGAIN when we know he won't budge and the actual dataminer has already given an opinion.

Do we have any clues to what happens with Odyn besides that the stormdrakes follow Vyranoth back to the Isles? Any indication as to what Odyn is doing after the confrontation?

He's likely going to make us prove our worth for 18th time. Other than that, dunno if Ilgynoth's quote continues to be relevant: "The lord of ravens will turn the key."

[PotHockets]

Guys Marlamin has already posted about how likely the mount and pet and achievements are to be related to the pre-order, and he has way more experience and knowledge in this area than Teriz, who will never admit someone understands better than he does about anything apparently. No need to argue about this AGAIN when we know he won't budge and the actual dataminer has already given an opinion.

Do we have any clues to what happens with Odyn besides that the stormdrakes follow Vyranoth back to the Isles? Any indication as to what Odyn is doing after the confrontation?

Probably/hopefully busy polishing his loot table and practicing his on pull one liners.

[Sydrache]

Was the mr gm thing a ruse? Did anything come out of that that wasn't related to rumble? We need some new leaks Teriz is making this thread less enjoyable

[lanerios]

Guys Marlamin has already posted about how likely the mount and pet and achievements are to be related to the pre-order, and he has way more experience and knowledge in this area than Teriz, who will never admit someone understands better than he does about anything apparently. No need to argue about this AGAIN when we know he won't budge and the actual dataminer has already given an opinion.

Do we have any clues to what happens with Odyn besides that the stormdrakes follow Vyranoth back to the Isles? Any indication as to what Odyn is doing after the confrontation?

You are right, I sadly fell for the obvious Teriz/Troll bait.



I really hope we finally get some closure on the Helya/Odyn storyline. Besides Helya showing up in Shadowlands for absolutely 0 use we haven't heard much.

[Lolites]

There have been Water Dwarves as long as Warcraft has existed. They're called Murlocs.

arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?

[Pyrophax]

There have been Water Dwarves as long as Warcraft has existed. They're called Murlocs.

Murocs are fish mutated by titans influence. Same as Ankoan or Jinyu.

[Wangming]

Huge hammer to bash heads of people who constantly bring up idea of their own "place" bcs they find the idea arousing?

Okay, that was clever. Have a like, ser.
Also a bit of soft S&M would benefit the game as well.

[Pyrophax]

arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?

They are frost dwarves. Closest to water dwarves is beerdrinking dwarves from Octoberfest.

[Teriz]

Please provide any factual evidence for the above. I'll wait. Because your headcanon is not factual evidence.

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...y%20Fire%20Owl!

Coming in 10.2. Which means that Gryphon dragonriding-enabled mounts are also coming in 10.2, and those Dwarven trading post items will be available in 10.2.

[Myrrh]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...y%20Fire%20Owl!

Coming in 10.2. Which means that Gryphon dragonriding-enabled mounts are also coming in 10.2, and those Dwarven trading post items will be available in 10.2.

Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.

[Teriz]

Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.

Uh no. I said that it is unlikely the pre-purchase heroic mount for 11.0 is a dragonriding mount because dragonriding heavily limits its usage in 10.2 (the time frame when this mount releases). Pre-purchase mounts are utilized to get people to purchase the next expansion, whether they're currently active or not. A dragonriding mount would only appeal to current/active players. If you skipped Dragonflight, or quit mid-expansion, a dragonriding mount isn't going to entice you to pre-purchase.

[Auxis]

arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?

Despite the obvious size difference, water giants (and the storm giants too, I guess) look remarkably like scaled up dwarves. So a water dwarf could look almost exactly like a water giant.

[Izalla]

Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post54242098

[FossilFree]

Spell Schools are not the same as cosmic forces. Holy is not The Light, Shadow is not Void. For that matter, Maldraxxus and Revendreth Covenant abilities were all Shadow school, while Ardenweald was Nature and Bastion was Arcane, despite all 4 being Death aligned.

This means absolutely nothing.

That still doesn't explain why order has aligned with light. If they could just use any power, as you say, then why did they choose the one they did? They could have easily used fire magic or something too. You mean it's just random, with no logical reason behind it? Ardenweald makes sense to use nature, it's where nature creatures go when they die. How does it make sense for order to use the light instead of arcane? What is the narrative implication here? Unless, of course, some sort of bargain has been struck.

[Nightshade711]

Uh no. I said that it is unlikely the pre-purchase heroic mount for 11.0 is a dragonriding mount because dragonriding heavily limits its usage in 10.2 (the time frame when this mount releases). Pre-purchase mounts are utilized to get people to purchase the next expansion, whether they're currently active or not. A dragonriding mount would only appeal to current/active players. If you skipped Dragonflight, or quit mid-expansion, a dragonriding mount isn't going to entice you to pre-purchase.

It wouldn’t limit any usage if the dynamic & static flight toggle is added along with it…
And you seem to forget that dragonriding itself isn’t a new skill. All it requires is flying which is unlocked automatically now if I’m not mistaken.
And with dragonriding confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game I don’t understand the point you’re making.

[Teriz]

The algarian stormrider is likely the dragon riding storm gyprhon we datamined. It is a grpyhon model that is covered in a stormy aeshtetic and with lightning visuals attached, that was datamined alongside the ability for grpyhons to dragon ride.
pair that with multiple dwarf based "Storm rider" cosmetics datamined as well.

As I said, it is likely that that datamined gryphon is merely another newly designed gryphon mount for the storm riding achievements in 10.2. Again, likely a celebration of Gryphon mounts being dragonriding enabled in 10.2 along with that owl mount that drops from Fryakk.

The algarian stormrider is NOT the elemental we see in the blizzcon promoitional material, that is a giant frost elemental, I highly doubt you would call a frost elemental a "storm rider".

Correct. Which is why I said the Algarian Stormrider is likely related to the air elementals called Stormriders that live on the Stormpeaks in Northrend.

In addition, it is likely that the ice elemental mount won't allow flight, since the mount based on a water elemental also cannot fly. However, an air elemental (which is what the Stormrider could be) would be able to fly since it is an air elemental.

Further, we are significantly lacking in elemental mounts in comparison to other mount types.

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It wouldn’t limit any usage if the dynamic & static flight toggle is added along with it…

If....

And you seem to forget that dragonriding itself isn’t a new skill. All it requires is flying which is unlocked automatically now if I’m not mistaken.
And with dragonriding confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game I don’t understand the point you’re making.

That dragonriding isn't confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game by 10.2, and that giving players a standard mount is more universally appealing than a mount designed for a feature in the current expansion. You can fly around anywhere in a standard mount. Not so much with a dragonriding mount.

[Auxis]

That still doesn't explain why order has aligned with light. If they could just use any power, as you say, then why did they choose the one they did? They could have easily used fire magic or something too. You mean it's just random, with no logical reason behind it? Ardenweald makes sense to use nature, it's where nature creatures go when they die. How does it make sense for order to use the light instead of arcane? What is the narrative implication here? Unless, of course, some sort of bargain has been struck.

Because it doesnt hurt to have variety? The titans themselves use Nature (Eonar), Arcane (Norgannon and Aman'thul), elemental magic (Khaz'goroth, Aggramar, Golganneth), and Holy (Amitus if HS is to be believed).

[AOL Instant Messenger]

If only people knew they could just not feed Teriz. I feel the page count would be lower on this thread if it were the case.

[Teriz]

If only people knew they could just not feed Teriz. I feel the page count would be lower on this thread if it were the case.

Hey, I was simply answering a post that addressed one of my earlier arguments. It's not my fault if multiple posters wish to jump into an A and B conversation.

[Ielenia]

Yeah, let's just ignore the mountains of evidence from the Dragonflight story that says the Void is coming next.

Keep in mind who you're responding to. They'll always believe whatever fake leaks best align with their desires to bring tinkers as a playable class and Undermine as a zone in WoW, even if more plausible "leaks" more aligned with current evidence exist.

I'm not sure why I have to keep saying this over and over: Dragonflight and 11.0 are the sequels to Cataclysm. They contain the same themes as Cataclysm, and they have the same main enemy as Cataclysm. Cataclysm is a Void, Elemental and Dragon expansion all at once. So is Dragonflight. So is 11.0.

I wouldn't go that far to claim "history repeating itself", but the void evidence currently in the game are actually quite strong. Iridikron is making a deal with the Void, possibly with the Void Lords, with the intention of bringing down the Titans, and I doubt Blizzard is just going to make the character stew away for an entire expansion away from prying eyes and then bring them back in 12.0 or later. This whole Iridikron + Void thing has to be leading to the next expansion's big conflict.