The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Jaggler]

Man i really wish they would just end the whole Cosmic stuff and go back to simpler more , it felt way more personal and more interesting :/ To me the whole Life/Order/Death Cosmic stuff should have been always in the background of lore being this mysterious thing what was just mentioned here and there

DF is pretty non-cosmic we have been to the emerald dream several times already. And most hints at agrander cosmic storyline like the Elun'Ahir stuff is dealt with in background lore books. We are only dealing with very close "Azerothian" threats.

Of course a Revamp would be great, and with the assets in the files, i am sure Blizz is working on it in the background, but i think they want to do it justice and it a massive project. I am fine with exploring new places in Azeroth, while the revamp is in progress. I just don't want to travel to the life-, order- or voidlands anytime soon

[Worldshaper]

They were trapped in Antorus, they probably heard about it. Or Magni informed them while we were fighting Aggramar.

So with this in mind, it seems plausible that the Pantheon is fully aware of the meta on Azeroth. Perhaps not the secretive stuff, like the Harbinger's meddling with Iridikron and Azshara. But they ought to know that Vyranoth has joined the Dragon Aspects in 10.2, for example, or when Tyr takes up.

Via Nozdormu, they should know what happened with Galakrond and Iridikron, come to think of it. Otherwise, it seems like an oversight imo.

[Wangming]

And we want an update to the stories too, the bread and butter of Azeroth are really the Eastern kingdoms.

Then it's night elf land in kalimdor/broken isles, and Undead land in Northrend.- added later in WC3.

This are waht frame all the playable races, so as much as you go to new continenets and lands etc people want to go through these again in a new light, with new events, updates and continuations to their favourite lands and their peoples

Yeah and I would commit war crimes to get an expansion that is Northern EK. A revamped Quel Thalas not stuck in the past. A somewhat habitable Lordaeron with an updated Forsaken capital that has actual Forsaken architecture not just sewers (and spider mounts to replace dead horses). And Gilneas.

But that is not what the leaks are pointing towards for this expansion.

We are looking at a place called Avaloren that Titan expeditions didn't return from, but the Nightsquall did.
We are looking at a storm covered far away land dragons don't return from that is likely the same as Avaloren
We are looking at Kaz'algar filled with weirdly dwarflike earthen that study a fissure.
We are looking at a hole that is filled by the roots of a world tree that was plucked from the ground before it could get tainted. Might be same as the one before.
We are looking at a fifth old god.

I mean there are speculations that the sword will be removed and Silithus caves in. And well Un'Goro did have a corrupted world tree in the Nightmare so it would also make some sort of sense.

But none of this has Eastern Kingdom written all over it.
And while it is definitely possible that not everything was leaked and there is soo much more, I'm kinda hoping for an expansion that isn't all over the place.

[Paperfox]

Man i really wish they would just end the whole Cosmic stuff and go back to simpler more , it felt way more personal and more interesting :/ To me the whole Life/Order/Death Cosmic stuff should have been always in the background of lore being this mysterious thing what was just mentioned here and there

This has been going one since the beginning, each expansion needs to have a Big Bad who is Bigger and Badder than the one before. I agree with you, the endless procession of Big Bads is starting to look like they're coming out of the same factory.

On the other hand, if you run an old dungeon, you can easily do over 10 million damage to a mob. Not to many regular folks have that kind of health pool.

[Wangming]

Honestly I would have done a Nyalotha/Black Empire expansion . . .quite like they did 8.3. I'd have picked 5-6 zones which could be tied to the Black Empire plot, fully updated them visually and have new questlines placed there with Visions being the main mechanic of the expansion. So stretch 8.3 into a full expac.
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Yes. That would have been a lot better than what we got.

[Shadowferal]

Man i really wish they would just end the whole Cosmic stuff and go back to simpler more , it felt way more personal and more interesting :/ To me the whole Life/Order/Death Cosmic stuff should have been always in the background of lore being this mysterious thing what was just mentioned here and there

There were plenty of ideas that could have kept the ground game going, and even going in different directions. Hell, they could've blatantly ripped ideas from other games or even certain forums.

[Raetary]

You accept the shitty writing.
I don't.

So, you don't have an actual answer then?

Got it.

To be fair, with the Pantheon alive and well at the Sea of the Pantheon, and several of their Keepers and facilities on Azeroth active, I don't see why wouldn't be informed with everything going on. Illidan has probably told them a lot as well.

Do we know how they knew about Sargeras' attack at the end of Legion, by the way? It seems like they instantly knew what he was up to.

Algalon had to send them the equivalent of an e-mail back in wrath to inform them about Reorigination.
Unless someone actively feeds them information, i don't see why they would know.

And that's assuming they have the time to read their mailbox while containing Garry.

Illidans knowledge only extends to his own time on Azeroth.
Most of which he spent imprisoned.

I doubt anyone had the time to brief him on Titan or Old God backgrounds, let alone that he had an interest in that.
And he certainly won't know about the events between BC-Legion and Legion-now.

[Shadowferal]

So, you don't have an actual answer then?

There's no reasonable way to rebut nonsensical writing that an opposing argument readily accepts as "canon."

[Worldshaper]

Algalon had to send them the equivalent of an e-mail back in wrath to inform them about Reorigination.
Unless someone actively feeds them information, i don't see why they would know.

And that's assuming they have the time to read their mailbox while containing Garry.

Illidans knowledge only extends to his own time on Azeroth.
Most of which he spent imprisoned.

I doubt anyone had the time to brief him on Titan or Old God backgrounds, let alone that he had an interest in that.
And he certainly won't know about the events between BC-Legion and Legion-now.

I might be wrong, but weren't the Titans able to communicate with Tyr regarding the empowerment of the Dragon Aspects without physically standing next to him? I just assume they were up in the sky doing lofty things at that point, since they had left the Keepers in charge.

The Algalon signal (again IIRC), was more of a specific request that had to be done in order to initiate re-origination. I think it's pretty much like the way a router works to collect data online. You can't just send a letter or tell it about the data.

[Samin]

Although I find it hard to believe that night elves would never have been able to go there during the height of their empire.

Just because they never did doesn't mean they weren't able to. They weren't exactly prolific explorers or what they explored was more of magical nature than new locations and even for some adventurous spirit, Kalimdor had more than enough to offer.

Of course, that's on a societal level. There's still room for individuals or small groups to have a greater interest in exploration and they maybe went there on their own (but possibly couldn't come back to report on it) - so the hypothetical new continent could totally have some old night elf-ish ruins. Or maybe even a parallel society of night elves who are obviously mortal enemies with the not-dwarven-earthen parallel dwarf society that live there. Basically Avaloren is just WoW's even more generic fantasy land.

[Worldshaper]

Green dragon flew west beyond the storms and never returned. Possibly created her own brood somehow.

Khaz Algar (Sector AR-938) is separated from Northrend by a vast distance. Has a fissure that alters the effects of the Curse of Flesh. There is some type of mount from here, which rides the storm.

Nightsquall was able to sail west through the storm and return. He has set his eyes on something major and wants to form a pirate fleet.

Odyn's watchers sent several expeditions to a place beyond the shores of Kalimdor, but they were all destroyed. "Heretics" live there, with sophisticated weaponry. Did something to a Keeper.

Are there any other specific references to the other side of Azeroth so far, that I'm forgetting?

I wonder if this all connects back to one continent, of if we're watching Blizzard plant the seeds for multiple future expansions all taking place on the other side of Azeroth. For example, at BlizzCon they could do a grand reveal of "the other side", but for 11.0 we only focus on the first continent we discover, which is the one beyond the storms. But this might not be the same continent the green dragon flew to, or that Nightsquall discovered.

Just a thought. Seems strange if they'd spend all of their current breadcrumbs on the same expansion.

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Come to think of it, are we assuming the earthen at Khaz Algar travelled there through underground tunnels? Because otherwise I don't see how Khaz Algar could be a separate continent from Kalimdor. They would either have travelled by other means than walking across the land, or Khaz Algar would need to be one of the fragment continents that were originally part of Ancient Kalimdor.

[Raetary]

Whatever happens next, i hope they return to scenarios for main story quests.

I know i said it before, but doing the campaign quests and being surrounded by randos that spamm chat is a terrible experience.
Or having to compete for mob tags, or having to wait for the boss mobs to respawn.

[Nymrohd]

Whatever happens next, i hope they return to scenarios for main story quests.

I know i said it before, but doing the campaign quests and being surrounded by randos that spamm chat is a terrible experience.
Or having to compete for mob tags, or having to wait for the boss mobs to respawn.

If I may add to that, add scenarios and find a way to make them replayable. THe culmination of a storyline should be epic. Find a way to make it go beyond story, add gameplay to it and make it replayable so people can experience the best moments of the questing experience as often as they want.

[Wangming]

Come to think of it, are we assuming the earthen at Khaz Algar travelled there through underground tunnels? Because otherwise I don't see how Khaz Algar could be a separate continent from Kalimdor. They would either have travelled by other means than walking across the land, or Khaz Algar would need to be one of the fragment continents that were originally part of Ancient Kalimdor.

isn't it sort of confirmed by in-game books that there are areas that never were parts of ancient Kalimdor? Like Avaloren?

Although if Titanic expeditions can't get there, it is hard to believe Earthen got there. Hmmmm.

Maybe they got there with those storm-riding mounts. And they became heretics later because of the fissure.

[Lolites]

classic+ would slowly cannibalize retail like it happened with osrs and rs3

wasnt classic supposed to do that ?
or was it classic tbc?
or was it classic wrath?
or was it classic hardcore?

but 5th time is the charm right? RIGHT?

[Nymrohd]

isn't it sort of confirmed by in-game books that there are areas that never were parts of ancient Kalimdor? Like Avaloren?

Although if Titanic expeditions can't get there, it is hard to believe Earthen got there. Hmmmm.

Maybe they got there with those storm-riding mounts. And they became heretics later because of the fissure.

We know they could not get there after the heretics betrayed the Keeper there. So they WERE there originally.

[Hitei]

Whatever happens next, i hope they return to scenarios for main story quests.

I know i said it before, but doing the campaign quests and being surrounded by randos that spamm chat is a terrible experience.
Or having to compete for mob tags, or having to wait for the boss mobs to respawn.

When are you running into anything but the very last point outside of like, the few hour window at the very start of content release where everyone is trying to do the thing at once? Even for the last one, the respawn timer on most named quest mobs is probably <100s. Instancing everything feels like a pretty bad solution to very minor problems.

wasnt classic supposed to do that ?
or was it classic tbc?
or was it classic wrath?
or was it classic hardcore?

but 5th time is the charm right? RIGHT?

Truly they thought they did, but they didn't.

[Lolites]

Truly they thought they did, but they didn't.

i believe people had the same problem many show on this forum - "i like something so EVERYBODY will like it, and everybody will hate what i hate" attitude
there are many that like classic, and im glad they got it, but those STILL claiming how classic (or now classic+) will kill retail are just beyond stupid...

[Worldshaper]

isn't it sort of confirmed by in-game books that there are areas that never were parts of ancient Kalimdor? Like Avaloren?

Although if Titanic expeditions can't get there, it is hard to believe Earthen got there. Hmmmm.

Maybe they got there with those storm-riding mounts. And they became heretics later because of the fissure.

It's a good question. I feel like the Storm Rider mounts are something they'd use after developing their quasi Dwarf culture, not before. I don't think titanforged used mounts like that.

We know they could not get there after the heretics betrayed the Keeper there. So they WERE there originally.

But how would they originally get there if Avaloren was on a separate contient from Ancient Kalimdor? Swim? Tunnels?

[Wangming]

We know they could not get there after the heretics betrayed the Keeper there. So they WERE there originally.

Yeah, thanks. That was I was thinking about. I do wonder when the storm got there. Maybe it was to keep out the Titans.