The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dismayxz]

What makes you think they are aware of anything that goes on on Azeroth?

They spent an eternity half dead, getting tortured on Argus or hiding in some corner of reality, only to end up as Garrys prison guards afterwards.
Not only are they weakened after the conflict, they are using all their concentration to make sure Garry doesn't go on a genocide spree again.

Iridikron is fully free and is backed by the very force that can see and prophecise potential futures.
He is in the perfect position to fuck over the titans.

The Void isn't a prophetic cheat code though. It doesn't just see fully realized potential futures. It sees all paths, but not your destiny, aka the true path. Or probably for that matter the outcome of any of these paths. The other thing is: Iridikron has sworn that he'll wait for the Titans to reclaim their prize. Aka they'll come intervene whatever he is going to do to stop him. That's not gonna do shit if they aren't paying attention to what's happening or have some flow of information coming in. For all we know, provoking them to action means Sargeras breaks free, which means we have a planet-sized Titan back on a rampage, who's precise goal is NOT to let the Void take Azeroth at any cost (even destroying Azeroth). That doesn't track with Iridikron's fundamental reason for conflict in the first place, the Ordering of Azeroth.

For once, I might even feel like the villains' main goal, at least with Iridikron didn't start out as or may not come down to wanting to destroy the planet so much as swap the flag it is waving. If anything Xal'atath is going to push him further that direction by aligning with voidier goals.

[Jaggler]

Green dragon flew west beyond the storms and never returned. Possibly created her own brood somehow.

Khaz Algar (Sector AR-938) is separated from Northrend by a vast distance. Has a fissure that alters the effects of the Curse of Flesh. There is some type of mount from here, which rides the storm.

Nightsquall was able to sail west through the storm and return. He has set his eyes on something major and wants to form a pirate fleet.

Odyn's watchers sent several expeditions to a place beyond the shores of Kalimdor, but they were all destroyed. "Heretics" live there, with sophisticated weaponry. Did something to a Keeper.

Are there any other specific references to the other side of Azeroth so far, that I'm forgetting?

I wonder if this all connects back to one continent, of if we're watching Blizzard plant the seeds for multiple future expansions all taking place on the other side of Azeroth. For example, at BlizzCon they could do a grand reveal of "the other side", but for 11.0 we only focus on the first continent we discover, which is the one beyond the storms. But this might not be the same continent the green dragon flew to, or that Nightsquall discovered.

Just a thought. Seems strange if they'd spend all of their current breadcrumbs on the same expansion.

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Come to think of it, are we assuming the earthen at Khaz Algar travelled there through underground tunnels? Because otherwise I don't see how Khaz Algar could be a separate continent from Kalimdor. They would either have travelled by other means than walking across the land, or Khaz Algar would need to be one of the fragment continents that were originally part of Ancient Kalimdor.

I mean Avaloren and Sector AR-938 (aka Khaz'Algar) can't be the same place, the question is, whether they will include it in the same expansion, whether one of them will be a patch island etc.

[Teriz]

No shot the argument has come down to a up to 40 minute difference. I don't think this is going to go anywhere, you two.

Nah, the argument is that a Dragonriding mount isn’t as good a reward as a standard mount. And it simply is not on multiple levels.

[Raetary]

The Void isn't a prophetic cheat code though.

I never said it was.

As flawed as their visions are, they are still usable and can be planned around.

[Lolites]

We are in a rabbit year so we are a bit off. 2030
Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster and then Dog. I think we got Dog first? (Shu-zen) He is a good boy, but not a corgi.

shame...
though snake and monkey could be interesting

[Dismayxz]

I never said it was.

"that can see and prophecise potential futures."

Made it sound like that to me, because there are clear limitations to that sight that make it kind of.. technically really, really useless as a benefit of the Void, since you're only getting half of a deal you'd want the full delivery on for it to be any real good.

That being said, I also didn't mean to say you directly insinuated or said so, it was simply how I interpreted the message and no intentional offense was meant there.

[MCMLXXXII]

What if the fissure in Khaz Algar is the entrance to Avaloren? Or some kind of shortcut to avoid the sea storms?

[Sondrelk]

I mean Avaloren and Sector AR-938 (aka Khaz'Algar) can't be the same place, the question is, whether they will include it in the same expansion, whether one of them will be a patch island etc.

No real reason they can't be the same honestly. The Dwarves of Khaz'algar named the island they live on Avaloren.

[Ersula]

Nah, the argument is that a Dragonriding mount isn’t as good a reward as a standard mount. And it simply is not on multiple levels.

you never actually addressed the heroic edition mount having a dragonriding cup named after it. That's the biggest thing. Nor, the second biggest thing, that all they need to do is flip a switch & dragonriding will be possible in every zone.

[Raetary]

"that can see and prophecise potential futures."

Made it sound like that to me, because there are clear limitations to that sight that make it kind of.. technically really, really useless as a benefit of the Void, since you're only getting half of a deal you'd want the full delivery on for it to be any real good.

That being said, I also didn't mean to say you directly insinuated or said so, it was simply how I interpreted the message and no intentional offense was meant there.

Yogg corrupted and manipulated his way through Azeroth and the keepers, almost getting unleashed onto the world.
And N'zoth almost managed to corrupt the planet twice.

While they are not 'prophetic cheat codes', the void is more than capable of using its abilities to plan out a path to a potential future where they win.
Which was my entire point.

Their power is not in any way shape or form useless.

[Jaggler]

No real reason they can't be the same honestly. The Dwarves of Khaz'algar named the island they live on Avaloren.

Wouldn't it be weird for the keepers to take up the name the heretics gave the place?

But yeah, i suppose you are right, there is of course the possibility. I just reread the books, and there is indeed nothing that would outright prevent Khaz'Algar to be Avaloren (or a place on Avaloren), sorry!

What if the fissure in Khaz Algar is the entrance to Avaloren?

I think the "fissure" would be the place where Aman'thul removed Elun'Ahir, but it's remaining roots changed the earthen there similar to the Old Gods' Curse of Flesh.

[Worldshaper]

There is a portal from Un'goro to Sholazar. Maybe there is one from Uldorus to Avaloren.

A possibility, I suppose. Although portals seem less likely than digging underneath the oceans imo.

It doesn't feel like the word "world" entails much more than Ancient Kalimdor for the Keepers, for some reason. You'd think other landmasses were mentioned frequently in books and such if they were part of that whole package.

[Ersula]

Wouldn't it be weird for the keepers to take up the name the heretics gave the place?

But yeah, i suppose you are right, there is of course the possibility. I just reread the books, and there is indeed nothing that would outright prevent Khaz'Algar to be Avaloren (or a place on Avaloren), sorry!

I think the "fissure" would be the place where Aman'thul removed Elun'Ahir, but it's remaining roots changed the earthen there similar to the Old Gods' Curse of Flesh.

As far as we know Avaloren is the Keeper's name for it & the people who live there call it something else.

I think we're supposed to infer that Elun'ahir was the source of the world trees we don't have a direct explanation why they exist. Like Shaladrassil.

[Jodmos]

Wouldn't it be weird for the keepers to take up the name the heretics gave the place?

But yeah, i suppose you are right, there is of course the possibility. I just reread the books, and there is indeed nothing that would outright prevent Khaz'Algar to be Avaloren (or a place on Avaloren), sorry!


I think the "fissure" would be the place where Aman'thul removed Elun'Ahir, but it's remaining roots changed the earthen there similar to the Old Gods' Curse of Flesh.

I was thinking that could be the case. Of course there's nothing factual about it but we know there's a fissure and we know Elun'Ahir was torn out. Assuming the books are accurate (none of this point of view stuff from chronicles - which coincidentally is why I no longer buy their lore books - I want actual accurate lore for a player and not "here's what happened - honest, you can trust me" lore for a player character)

[NikolaiShade]

I never said it was.

As flawed as their visions are, they are still usable and can be planned around.

Sorry, little out of the loop on that regard, we meet n'zoth during DF and he recognizes us. it was theorized N'zoth could have pinpointed the right "future" giving him a substantial advantage, did anything come from that?

[Alanar]

Honestly I would have done a Nyalotha/Black Empire expansion . . .quite like they did 8.3. I'd have picked 5-6 zones which could be tied to the Black Empire plot, fully updated them visually and have new questlines placed there with Visions being the main mechanic of the expansion. So stretch 8.3 into a full expac.

Ew, 8.3 was freaking terrible son.

I quit halfway in the patch, wouldnt stand more of that.

[Wangming]

We are in a rabbit year so we are a bit off. 2030
Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster and then Dog. I think we got Dog first? (Shu-zen) He is a good boy, but not a corgi.

Monkey and Rooster year mounts will be wild.
Ride a giant cock.
I dare you Blizzard, I double dare you.

[huth]

I didn't think of Nimue just.. being so blatant when I made my wall. That's a good point.

Odyn. Thorim. Freia. Tyr. Loken.

They sometimes don't even bother changing the name.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Monkey and Rooster year mounts will be wild.
Ride a giant cock.
I dare you Blizzard, I double dare you.

Instead of elemental mount, they should have blizzcon cock mount.

[Wangming]

No real reason they can't be the same honestly. The Dwarves of Khaz'algar named the island they live on Avaloren.

Avaloren is the island, Khaz'algar is the settlement. Problem solved.