The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

It's not just about the sheer planetary size of them.
But if all you have is prior crap writing for an argument that your little sword will contend with a weapon that can destroy planets then you don't have one.

At that point, we might as well remove 90% of the bosses because I am sorry, but I don't think we should be able to defeat Ragnaros either or any bosses that are larger than us.

It's not just about the sheer planetary size of them.

What is it then?

[Jaggler]

Just because they have power to repel the keepers doesn't mean that they have to be particularly "advanced" in terms of their society or aestehtics. They could have chevaliers with lances made of repurposed titan-technology they used to battle the keepers expeditions and merlin-like mages.

[Wangming]

If there is a constant in WoW is how apparently technologically advanced races are still stuck in overall medieval times. An hyper-technological Camelot would be nothing too surprising honestly. and btw Avaloren and Avalon are pretty similar names

Absolutely. Avalon was the first thing that came to my mind as well. We surely going to get nods to Arthurian legends. But pretty much the only thing we know for certain is the sophisticated technology. So if they were below Gilneas on the tech tree I would be very surprised.

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Just because they have power to repel the keepers doesn't mean that they have to be particularly "advanced" in terms of their society or aestehtics. They could have chevaliers with lances made of repurposed titan-technology they used to battle the keepers expeditions and merlin-like mages.

That is not how technology works though.

[Teriz]

I mean, come 11.0 (let's be realistic here), there won't be "Dragonriding Mounts" or "Standard Mounts".

It's a pointless argument.

Also: The Gladiator Mount is a full transformation for the DR Mount, as well as a separate "standard mount".

Probably in 11.0, but we're talking about 10.2 when the heroic pre-order mount will be available. I doubt Blizzard is going to offer what would essentially be a gimped mount for 6-12 months as a pre-order incentive.

[Makorus]

Probably in 11.0, but we're talking about 10.2 when the heroic pre-order mount will be available. I doubt Blizzard is going to offer what would essentially be a gimped mount for 6-12 months as a pre-order incentive.

How is a Dragonriding mount a "gimped mount"?

The main content is on the Dragon Isles, a place you cant use normal mounts.

How often did you use the Tangled Dreamweaver

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So i might be high on hopium, but maybe this "eventuful day" might be something to do with WoW ? Either that or am reading too much into it and they guys are just gonna have some fun lmao

https://imgur.com/XLj3xpF

I hope so, some new small tease would be nice.

New race customisation including Mok'nathal and Broken as toggles for Orcs and Draenei.

As a believer for ogres and mok'nathal too - i give a thumbs up.

[Teriz]

How is a Dragonriding mount a "gimped mount"?

The main content is on the Dragon Isles, a place you cant use normal mounts.

You can't use dragonriding mounts fully outside of the dragon isles. However, normal mounts will be able to fly in the dragon isles by 10.2. Not to mention you can use normal mounts in all older content areas.

How often did you use the Tangled Dreamweaver

As soon as I got it I used it as my main mount for my main as well as my alts leveling in older content. Again, I wouldn't be able to do that with a DR mount.

[Makorus]

You can't use dragonriding mounts fully outside of the dragon isles. However, normal mounts will be able to fly in the dragon isles by 10.2. Not to mention you can use normal mounts in all older content areas.



As soon as I got it I used it as my main mount for my main as well as my alts leveling in older content. Again, I wouldn't be able to do that with a DR mount.

Even if that was an argument (What, you gonna complain about the Trading Post giving you a DR mount even though you technically can reach the monthly goal without owning DF?), the problem was already solved to begin with lmao.



It's gonna be a Dragonflying mount regardless though, because the main content is in DF right now, where you exclusively can Dragonride.

[NikolaiShade]

Absolutely. Avalon was the first thing that came to my mind as well. We surely going to get nods to Arthurian legends. But pretty much the only thing we know for certain is the sophisticated technology. So if they were below Gilneas on the tech tree I would be very surprised.

I spent more time than i like to admit trying to figure out who "Innaria" could be assuming an arthurian influence

[Teriz]

Even if that was an argument (What, you gonna complain about the Trading Post giving you a DR mount even though you technically can reach the monthly goal without owning DF?), the problem was already solved to begin with lmao.



It's gonna be a Dragonflying mount regardless though, because the main content is in DF right now, where you exclusively can Dragonride.

I fail to see how that solves the problem. You still can't ride a dragonriding mount fully outside of the dragon isles, and spending virtual currency on an item is different than spending actual money on something that is an incentive to purchase the next expansion.

As I said before, if you completely skipped or quit Dragon Isles mid expansion, how would a dragonriding mount incentivize you to come back? That is the goal of the heroic mount; To push players to pre-purchase the next expansion.

[Jaggler]

We don't know when the heroic pre-order mount is available. Maybe by that point dynamic flying is available in every content you can fly in.

[Shadowferal]

At that point, we might as well remove 90% of the bosses because I am sorry, but I don't think we should be able to defeat Ragnaros either or any bosses that are larger than us.

Now you understand. The crappy writing didn't just happen with the past few expansions. It's been ongoing since vanilla. We overlook such because then there was tons of fun to be had ingame overall.

What is it then?

Have your toon hit the ground as hard as it can. Do you think Azeroth would feel it? Titans shouldn't be about just...size. The scale should magnify everything about them; intelligence, perception et al, including the ability to handle unruly viruses and pest control.

I'm reminded of a comicbook that pitted Wolverine against Galactus. Galactus wasn't even aware of Wolverine on his ship as a pest control/cleanup program kicked in and Logan was summarily tossed in the trash and ejected out into space.
The upshot is there's ways of dealing with such near-omnipotent beings. But the writing has rarely ever showed.

[Ersula]

How is a Dragonriding mount a "gimped mount"?

The main content is on the Dragon Isles, a place you cant use normal mounts.

he won't acknowledge dragonriding is already fully functional in the rest of the game. There's no reason they'd wait till 11.0 to enable it.

[Makorus]

I fail to see how that solves the problem. You still can't ride a dragonriding mount fully outside of the dragon isles, and spending virtual currency on an item is different than spending actual money on something that is an incentive to purchase the next expansion.

As I said before, if you completely skipped or quit Dragon Isles mid expansion, how would a dragonriding mount incentivize you to come back? That is the goal of the heroic mount; To push players to pre-purchase the next expansion.

You fail to see how having this solves the problem?

You get upset over something that Blizzard already solved at the start of the expansion.



But sure, Teriz has to always be right, so you will find a reason why that's not good enough.

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Now you understand. The crappy writing didn't just happen with the past few expansions. It's been ongoing since vanilla. We overlook such because then there was tons of fun to be had ingame overall. Have your toon hit the ground as hard as it can. Do you think Azeroth would feel it? Titans shouldn't be about just...size. The scale should magnify everything about them; intelligence, perception et al, including the ability to handle unruly viruses and pest control.

I'm reminded of a comicbook that pitted Wolverine against Galactus. Galactus wasn't even aware of Wolverine on his ship as a pest control/cleanup program kicked in and Logan was summarily tossed in the trash and ejected out into space.
The upshot is there's ways of dealing with such near-omnipotent beings. But the writing has rarely ever showed.

My man. It's a game. It's not real life. It's not a deep novel. It's a game. I wanna kill big things. I don't wanna kill bandits for the next 10 years.

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he won't acknowledge dragonriding is already fully functional in the rest of the game. There's no reason they'd wait till 11.0 to enable it.

Especially because by the time we will be able to preorder 11.0, 10.5 will probably already be out, which will most likely enable worldwide Dynamic flight.

It's not like we will be able to preorder straight after Blizzcon.

[Raetary]

Blizzard is actively working on implementing Dragonriding into the rest of the game, we know that.

The heroic edition mount might even be the first dual flight mount, before they flip the switch and add the mechanic to the rest of the legible mounts.

[Nightshade711]

You're assuming that it's named after the mount. Also they're not going to "flip the switch" by 10.2. Getting a dragonriding mount as a pre-order reward in 10.2 is going to be a very limited experience for the majority of players compared to a standard mount.

It won’t be a “limited experience” for anyone.
They’re already working on a toggle for players to be able to to switch mounts from dynamic flight to static flight and vice versa. (Which is why a lot of the basic mounts have dragonriding animations now)

Those that haven’t leveled dragonriding or don’t like it can just toggle static flight.

I fail to see how that solves the problem. You still can't ride a dragonriding mount fully outside of the dragon isles, and spending virtual currency on an item is different than spending actual money on something that is an incentive to purchase the next expansion.

Also not to mention that during the 10.1.7 (or .5?) PTR blizzard already confirmed they’re going to expand dragonriding to the rest of the game in a later patch & that’s what the static flight/dynamic flight toggle was for that was datamined in the PTR.

[Samin]

I spent more time than i like to admit trying to figure out who "Innaria" could be assuming an arthurian influence

Nothing Arthurian but

Inara, in Hittite mythology, was the goddess of the wild animals of the steppe and daughter of the Storm-god Teshub/Tarhunt.[1] She corresponds to the "potnia theron" of Greek mythology, better known as Artemis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inara_(goddess)

[Shadowferal]

My man. It's a game. It's not real life. It's not a deep novel. It's a game. I wanna kill big things. I don't wanna kill bandits for the next 10 years.

Then you shouldn't take issue when complaints are made about the writing. I've stated several times that Blizz only caters to the "I'm just here to kill things" crowd. And the crowd that cares about lore and stories? Most are gone and won't be coming back.

[Santandame]

Absolutely. Avalon was the first thing that came to my mind as well. We surely going to get nods to Arthurian legends. But pretty much the only thing we know for certain is the sophisticated technology. So if they were below Gilneas on the tech tree I would be very surprised.

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That is not how technology works though.

Well of course it is. If they've repurposed or expanded upon titan materials to outfit new weaponry which is more advanced than say a steel sword, then that would be a technological advancement.

They could also utilise azerite as explosives or to advance their weaponry.

Though I prefer the likes of Merlin etc to serve as their protectors. With ''Merlin'' being some being on the level of Keepers or more powerful. Maybe Nimue produces the storms that surrounds Avaloren to stop invaders? These new dragons that have found a home here too.

[Teriz]

It won’t be a “limited experience” for anyone.
They’re already working on a toggle for players to be able to to switch mounts from dynamic flight to static flight and vice versa. (Which is why a lot of the basic mounts have dragonriding animations now)

Those that haven’t leveled dragonriding or don’t like it can just toggle static flight.

That toggle won't be ready by 10.2 when this mount is available.

Also not to mention that during the 10.1.7 (or .5?) PTR blizzard already confirmed they’re going to expand dragonriding to the rest of the game in a later patch & that’s what the static flight/dynamic flight toggle was for.

Yes, but not by 10.2 which again, is when this mount is going to be available.