The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zers Editor]

Not something I consider personally, but still worth discussing. Found this on TVTropes' WMG page:

It is possible he (Tyr) believed that the relationship between the Aspects and the Incarnates would lead the former away from Order (and thus to corruption, which, as emphasized in 10.1, he feared most) and decided to infuse the eggs on purpose to drive a decisive wedge between them.

[Gigantique]

I have a feeling the descriptions of the land being in ruin and the people being heretics is Titan propaganda. It's a land not of their influence/design, I don't think it necessarily has to be fucked up and corrupted and voided out, I think it's just the Titans being sour.

I get the impression they want Tyr to be more compassionate to the dragons so he might be genuine and either correct OR fed propaganda from Odyn and repeating it ignorantly

[FelPlague]

Yeah, I don't believe that that texture is from the heroic mount. It appeared in 10.1.7 and is likely for something else entirely. While entirely possible, I don't believe that Blizzard is doing a Dwarven expansion, and I don't believe a gryphon mount is in the cards. We'll see soon enough, but that would be a bit too race-centric for an expansion theme IMO. Elemental makes more sense as an overarching expansion theme, and is supported by other pieces of evidence we have.

1- Everything is pointing to dwarves, datamined cosmetics, ingame books and lore talking about dwarves, is kaz-algor, pairing that with the "aglarian" phrase.
2- "I don't beleive a grpyhonj mount is in the cards"
so then why do you think we have a new high rez grpyhon mount, and the ability for said mount to dragon ride?
3- "Elemental makes more sense"
this expansion is elemental based.

[Wangming]

The algarian stormrider is likely the dragon riding storm gyprhon we datamined. It is a grpyhon model that is covered in a stormy aeshtetic and with lightning visuals attached, that was datamined alongside the ability for grpyhons to dragon ride.
pair that with multiple dwarf based "Storm rider" cosmetics datamined as well.
The algarian stormrider is NOT the elemental we see in the blizzcon promoitional material, that is a giant frost elemental, I highly doubt you would call a frost elemental a "storm rider".

Also I don't feel it is flashy enough to be an expansion tie in bonus mount.

[FelPlague]

Also I don't feel it is flashy enough to be an expansion tie in bonus mount.

I wouldn't call the dread raven, or the emerald dragon which can't even be used for dragon riding which is bullshit it shoulda been a skin for the highlands drake, or the kultiran horse very flashy either.

[Merryck]

I wouldn't call the dread raven, or the emerald dragon which can't even be used for dragon riding which is bullshit it shoulda been a skin for the highlands drake, or the kultiran horse very flashy either.

Anima worm was also lame ... Most expansion mounts are lame

[Worldshaper]

Imagine looking at Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, and thinking "yeah this Odyn guy must be evil".

He's an arrogant, pompous prick for sure. But that dude isn't evil. He represents justice, valor, and rightenousness. He's WoW's version of Imperius from Diablo, while Tyr is Tyrael.

I want to see his Valarjar arrive in full force and kick Old God bottoms in the next expansion. The Lord of Ravens will turn the key to Uldaz, blasting Xal'atath into oblivion after Vyranoth betrayed us all and made fools of the meek Dragon Aspects.

[Gigantique]

Also I don't feel it is flashy enough to be an expansion tie in bonus mount.

Compared to the anima worm it'll be glorious lmao

[Jaggler]

Imagine looking at Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, and thinking "yeah this Odyn guy must be evil".

He's an arrogant, pompous prick for sure. But that dude isn't evil. He represents justice, valor, and rightenousness. He's WoW's version of Imperius from Diablo, while Tyr is Tyrael.

I want to see his Valarjar arrive in full force and kick Old God bottoms in the next expansion. The Lord of Ravens will turn the key to Uldaz, blasting Xal'atath into oblivion after Vyranoth betrayed us all and made fools of the meek Dragon Aspects.

Odyn, the guy who was so righteous, that he forced Helya, who he saw basically as his daughter to turn into the first Val'kyr, basically shattering her body and twisting her very soul into a new form. Her crime was saying that forcing vrykul to turn into undead servants would be wrong.

[Shadowferal]

We could definitely hurt them with the right amount of power. We hurt the Jailer right?

Don't cite trash writing.
Because as I said earlier, there's no reasonable way to rebut nonsensical writing that an opposing argument readily accepts as "canon."

[Wangming]

Compared to the anima worm it'll be glorious lmao

That random elemental on the picture? Ehhhh.

[Worldshaper]

Odyn, the guy who was so righteous, that he forced Helya, who he saw basically as his daughter to turn into the first Val'kyr, basically shattering her body and twisting her very soul into a new form. Her crime was saying that forcing vrykul to turn into undead servants would be wrong.

Like Imperius, his pride and arrogance was his downfall.

But people like that will shine in very particular situations. His strong characteristics, such as his might, valor, and loyalty to Azeroth, are the qualities which redeem him and will come in handy in the upcoming battle.

[Nymrohd]

Imagine looking at Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, and thinking "yeah this Odyn guy must be evil".

He's an arrogant, pompous prick for sure. But that dude isn't evil. He represents justice, valor, and rightenousness. He's WoW's version of Imperius from Diablo, while Tyr is Tyrael.

I want to see his Valarjar arrive in full force and kick Old God bottoms in the next expansion. The Lord of Ravens will turn the key to Uldaz, blasting Xal'atath into oblivion after Vyranoth betrayed us all and made fools of the meek Dragon Aspects.

Imperius is more Wrath than Valor. And he would have wiped out humanity.

[Beerplz]

We reached Leet numbers of pages !

[Myrrh]

The algarian stormrider is likely the dragon riding storm gyprhon we datamined. It is a grpyhon model that is covered in a stormy aeshtetic and with lightning visuals attached, that was datamined alongside the ability for grpyhons to dragon ride.
pair that with multiple dwarf based "Storm rider" cosmetics datamined as well.

Be careful not to become that which you argue against. Only a Teriz speaks in absolutes when things are yet to be actually confirmed; the stormrider is a pretty decent chance of being the (or at least a) gryphon, but nothing has confirmed that beyond us putting the dots together yet.

Imagine looking at Stormheim and the Halls of Valor, and thinking "yeah this Odyn guy must be evil".

He's an arrogant, pompous prick for sure. But that dude isn't evil. He represents justice, valor, and rightenousness. He's WoW's version of Imperius from Diablo, while Tyr is Tyrael.

I want to see his Valarjar arrive in full force and kick Old God bottoms in the next expansion. The Lord of Ravens will turn the key to Uldaz, blasting Xal'atath into oblivion after Vyranoth betrayed us all and made fools of the meek Dragon Aspects.

Agree he's not evil, just drinking deep from his own cool aid. I'm not sure I'd agree he represents righteousness, valor etc - in my opinion he just exalts in promoting those things, particularly to his own followers. Odyn himself has been mega dodge since he was first introduced (his views on dragons are not out of character based on the Helya stuff). Again, not evil; he acted according to his own beliefs on Order but also disregarded justice and valor in doing so. Similar to Imperius but maybe a bit more caught up in his own bullshit. So a genuinely interesting character, honestly.

[Gigantique]

That random elemental on the picture? Ehhhh.

Only Teriz believes that to be the Stormrider, most of us seem to think it might be that stormy gryphon instead.

Why would a snowman elemental be a stormrider etc etc

[Jaggler]

Be careful not to become that which you argue against. Only a Teriz speaks in absolutes when things are yet to be actually confirmed; the stormrider is a pretty decent chance of being the (or at least a) gryphon, but nothing has confirmed that beyond us putting the dots together yet.



Agree he's not evil, just drinking deep from his own cool aid. I'm not sure I'd agree he represents righteousness, valor etc - in my opinion he just exalts in promoting those things, particularly to his own followers. Odyn himself has been mega dodge since he was first introduced (his views on dragons are not out of character based on the Helya stuff). Again, not evil; he acted according to his own beliefs on Order but also disregarded justice and valor in doing so. Similar to Imperius but maybe a bit more caught up in his own bullshit. So a genuinely interesting character, honestly.

While i mostly agree, i don't know about that bit. Just because you are doing things due to your own view on justice and "how things should be" doesn't prevent you from not being evil. By that logic for example Sylvanas and the Jailer weren't evil because they were just setting things right.

[Wangming]

Only Teriz believes that to be the Stormrider, most of us seem to think it might be that stormy gryphon instead.

Why would a snowman elemental be a stormrider etc etc

I mean that is exactly my point. The elemental in the pic is not nearly flashy enough to be the Stormrider mount.

[micwini]

Only Teriz believes that to be the Stormrider, most of us seem to think it might be that stormy gryphon instead.

Why would a snowman elemental be a stormrider etc etc

The elemental is also the blizzcon mount.
The heroic edition mount is something else entirely as well.

To compare: Blizzcon polar bear from 2022 would be the equal to the snow elemental
Tangled dreamweaver would be the equal to whatever this "stormrider' is.

[Jaggler]

The elemental is also the blizzcon mount.
The heroic edition mount is something else entirely as well.

To compare: Blizzcon polar bear from 2022 would be the equal to the snow elemental
Tangled dreamweaver would be the equal to whatever this "stormrider' is.

Snowstorm the bear elemental was clearly a hint that we would be going to the Bear Isles to reawaken the 5 bear aspects of azeroth.