The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

Imperius is more Wrath than Valor. And he would have wiped out humanity.

This is the description for Imperius on the wiki page:

"Imperius, Archangel of Valor, is an angel of the High Heavens and the de facto ruler of the Angiris Council. He has led the Heavenly Host to numerous victories over the forces of Hell, but his pride and rashness has often caused recklessness that would ultimately cost him."

You could basically replace his name with Odyn, change Archangel of Valor to Prime Designate of the Keepers, etc. Same person more or less.

[Merryck]

What were Loken's final words to Odyn

[Beerplz]

What were Loken's final words to Odyn

We don't know , all we know is he was betrayed by Loken from what i remember. Loken being manipulated by Yogg and working together with Helya they imprisoned/cursed Odyn to never leave the Halls of Valor (despite him doing so for a short time , and also doing it by disguise)

[Jaggler]

I don't think we know the exact words so probably something like "lol, get locked up, idiot"

[Wangming]

This is the description for Imperius on the wiki page:

"Imperius, Archangel of Valor, is an angel of the High Heavens and the de facto ruler of the Angiris Council. He has led the Heavenly Host to numerous victories over the forces of Hell, but his pride and rashness has often caused recklessness that would ultimately cost him."

You could basically replace his name with Odyn, change Archangel of Valor to Prime Designate of the Keepers, etc. Same person more or less.

I mean he can't be the Archangel of Wrath, because that is not a virtue.
Case in point, Mephisto is a calculating mastermind, but he is not the Lord of Intellect. He is the Lord of Hatred. But we never really see pure spiteful hatred from him. From Imperius? Yes. Inarius? Also yes. The Angels and Demons in Diablo are far more than the ideals they preside over.

[Worldshaper]

What were Loken's final words to Odyn

Dad, can we get McDonald's?

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I mean he can't be the Archangel of Wrath, because that is not a virtue.
Case in point, Mephisto is a calculating mastermind, but he is not the Lord of Intellect. He is the Lord of Hatred. But we never really see pure spiteful hatred from him. From Imperius? Yes. Inarius? Also yes. The Angels and Demons in Diablo are far more than the ideals they preside over.

I'm not saying they aren't.

But the two characters are undeniably similar.

- Both lead their council of "demigods" that watch over something and wage an eternal war against ther arch nemesis.

- Both are arrogant and proud, to their own detriment.

- Both are heroic, valorous, and mighty.

- Both have made lots of mistakes over the years, and shut themselves in within their glorious halls.

- Both have their own "Tyr", a bit of a rogue ally who does things its own way as it aids the "lesser people"/creations more directly. A character of high morals, but less strictly adhering to the creed. Almost what they themselves ought to have been, or the side of themselves they're trying to supress.

[Jaggler]

one wish i have for 11.0 is: No more raids with a fire-look. At least for a while. after parts of Vault, Aberrus and like 70% of amirdrassil i am fine with a lack of fire in raids for a bit :P

[Worldshaper]

one wish i have for 11.0 is: No more raids with a fire-look. At least for a while. after parts of Vault, Aberrus and like 70% of amirdrassil i am fine with a lack of fire in raids for a bit :P

Bring more beautiful raids like Suramar and parts of the Tomb of Sargeras.

[Nymrohd]

one wish i have for 11.0 is: No more raids with a fire-look. At least for a while. after parts of Vault, Aberrus and like 70% of amirdrassil i am fine with a lack of fire in raids for a bit :P

It really is crazy to me. They know what they will have for raids in an expansion. Since you are doing Fyrakk and will have a fire bit there, why add random volcanic parts everywhere. Imagine if Aberrus used pitch black waters with N'zoth fish in them instead. Or simply a black unending abyss. And Vault did not need the lava either.

[Jaggler]

Bring more beautiful raids like Suramar and parts of the Tomb of Sargeras.

Kinda agree. Just no night elf-vibes pls.

I am done with night elves for a while.

[Wangming]

one wish i have for 11.0 is: No more raids with a fire-look. At least for a while. after parts of Vault, Aberrus and like 70% of amirdrassil i am fine with a lack of fire in raids for a bit :P

That is how most of us were of Orc-centric storylines. And then fucking WoD was revealed.

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Kinda agree. Just no night elf-vibes pls.

I am done with night elves for a while.

Night Elves would agree.

Bring more Worgen vibes. That is the cool shit. If there was one thing i didn't mind in BfA was the zombies vs werewolf stuff. Especially when it all happened in the witch zone or the ilithid zone. Or the blood troll zone.
Bring the dark gothic shit.

[Worldshaper]

Kinda agree. Just no night elf-vibes pls.

I am done with night elves for a while.

Doesn't have to be Night Elven.

I'm sure Khaz Algar could feature a beautiful raid full of pristine Dwarven halls.

Maybe the "Heretics" have their own unique style, but losely based on Titan architecture. Bright, enlightened, beautifully crafted.

[Jaggler]

It really is crazy to me. They know what they will have for raids in an expansion. Since you are doing Fyrakk and will have a fire bit there, why add random volcanic parts everywhere. Imagine if Aberrus used pitch black waters with N'zoth fish in them instead. Or simply a black unending abyss. And Vault did not need the lava either.

If Amirdrassil wasn't so fire heavy it wouldn't be as bad i think. Like. If the last three bosses were fire themed, i'd be totally fine but the raid has like what, 2 bosses that aren't based on lava, flames etc.?

[Dismayxz]

Be careful not to become that which you argue against. Only a Teriz speaks in absolutes when things are yet to be actually confirmed; the stormrider is a pretty decent chance of being the (or at least a) gryphon, but nothing has confirmed that beyond us putting the dots together yet.



Agree he's not evil, just drinking deep from his own cool aid. I'm not sure I'd agree he represents righteousness, valor etc - in my opinion he just exalts in promoting those things, particularly to his own followers. Odyn himself has been mega dodge since he was first introduced (his views on dragons are not out of character based on the Helya stuff). Again, not evil; he acted according to his own beliefs on Order but also disregarded justice and valor in doing so. Similar to Imperius but maybe a bit more caught up in his own bullshit. So a genuinely interesting character, honestly.

The Imperius comparison honestly works there too though. I think him and Skyhold being tied to Warrior in Legion is very fitting. A Warrior can be righteous, though more thematic for Paladins, but then again Paladins are just Warrior Priests. Warriors are Valorous. But what fuels a warrior's actions? Rage, Wrath. Like Imperius he's both. He doesn't give a shit who he hurts so long as his goals are met and he doesn't shy away from being a beacon of Valor to his followers and a beacon of Wrath to his enemies. That duality makes him dangerous and like Imperius, is probably more prone to making him a narcissistic beacon of Wrath, because the moment we don't align with his goals or the Titan's goals (mostly the same I'd assume), we're the enemy.

[Jaggler]

That is how most of us were of Orc-centric storylines. And then fucking WoD was revealed.

Ye, the orc-fatigue was real and luckily blizzard acknowledged that.

[Gigantique]

I mean that is exactly my point. The elemental in the pic is not nearly flashy enough to be the Stormrider mount.

Flashiness hasn't exactly been a precedent though.

IIRC WoD was the first "buy the collector edition and get a mount!" expansion with the Dread Raven. Fairly bog standard no nonsense or pizazz mount. Legion had the little Felstalker runt that runs like an absolute silly thing, BfA had the horse/raptor and SL had yhe anima worm.

None of those are (imo ofc) flashy whatsoever so something basic like an elemental or gryphon with lightning textures would fit right in.


That being said, if the next expansion IS in fact us punching through some kind of storm, the gryphon with lightning effects could very well be a form of pre-patch story reward like the Teldrassil Hippogryph. A gryphon lightning-charged from the effects of the stormy assault or whatever.

[Beerplz]

Ok the ai image thing despite fucking up the logo creates some really awesome images when being instructed to do some "Voidstorm" expansion releated stuff.

[Jaggler]

that looks like some biblically accurate N'Zoth lol.
he about to "be not afraid" us into the ground.

[Gigantique]

Ok the ai image thing despite fucking up the logo creates some really awesome images when being instructed to do some "Voidstorm" expansion releated stuff.

That first image is actually kind of insanely good ngl. Replace the bland landscape with some recognisable part of Azeroth and that very much looks like how I'd imagine a Void Lord entering our reality would appear.

[lanerios]

Only Teriz believes that to be the Stormrider, most of us seem to think it might be that stormy gryphon instead.

Why would a snowman elemental be a stormrider etc etc

Because it's Teriz. Contrarian opinions to the max, and always convinced they are 100% correct and the rest is wrong.

I don't know what it'll be, and I'll see. Could it be a gryphon? Jep! Could it be an elemental? Unlikely, but blizzard has done weirder stuff.

as long as Teriz' deluded "Yrel is the villain for sure bro!" theory doesn't happen, I am happy. We had to survive that drivel with the pre SL leaks, pre DF leaks. And I can't wait for him to start it now /s