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    There have been Water Dwarves as long as Warcraft has existed. They're called Murlocs.
    arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futhark View Post
    There have been Water Dwarves as long as Warcraft has existed. They're called Murlocs.
    Murocs are fish mutated by titans influence. Same as Ankoan or Jinyu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    Huge hammer to bash heads of people who constantly bring up idea of their own "place" bcs they find the idea arousing?
    Okay, that was clever. Have a like, ser.
    Also a bit of soft S&M would benefit the game as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?
    They are frost dwarves. Closest to water dwarves is beerdrinking dwarves from Octoberfest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanerios View Post
    Please provide any factual evidence for the above. I'll wait. Because your headcanon is not factual evidence.
    https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...y%20Fire%20Owl!

    Coming in 10.2. Which means that Gryphon dragonriding-enabled mounts are also coming in 10.2, and those Dwarven trading post items will be available in 10.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...y%20Fire%20Owl!

    Coming in 10.2. Which means that Gryphon dragonriding-enabled mounts are also coming in 10.2, and those Dwarven trading post items will be available in 10.2.
    Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

    This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

    This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.
    Uh no. I said that it is unlikely the pre-purchase heroic mount for 11.0 is a dragonriding mount because dragonriding heavily limits its usage in 10.2 (the time frame when this mount releases). Pre-purchase mounts are utilized to get people to purchase the next expansion, whether they're currently active or not. A dragonriding mount would only appeal to current/active players. If you skipped Dragonflight, or quit mid-expansion, a dragonriding mount isn't going to entice you to pre-purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    arent frostborn kinda water dwarves?
    Despite the obvious size difference, water giants (and the storm giants too, I guess) look remarkably like scaled up dwarves. So a water dwarf could look almost exactly like a water giant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Wait a minute, weren't we here like 24 hours ago with you vehemently opposed to the idea of dynamic gryphons/non-dragons in 10.2, and using that to support your argument that the heroic mount couldn't be a gryphon?

    This whiplash can't be good for my health. I'm morbidly curious as to what the turning point was; the owl is hardly new information.
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    Spell Schools are not the same as cosmic forces. Holy is not The Light, Shadow is not Void. For that matter, Maldraxxus and Revendreth Covenant abilities were all Shadow school, while Ardenweald was Nature and Bastion was Arcane, despite all 4 being Death aligned.

    This means absolutely nothing.
    That still doesn't explain why order has aligned with light. If they could just use any power, as you say, then why did they choose the one they did? They could have easily used fire magic or something too. You mean it's just random, with no logical reason behind it? Ardenweald makes sense to use nature, it's where nature creatures go when they die. How does it make sense for order to use the light instead of arcane? What is the narrative implication here? Unless, of course, some sort of bargain has been struck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh no. I said that it is unlikely the pre-purchase heroic mount for 11.0 is a dragonriding mount because dragonriding heavily limits its usage in 10.2 (the time frame when this mount releases). Pre-purchase mounts are utilized to get people to purchase the next expansion, whether they're currently active or not. A dragonriding mount would only appeal to current/active players. If you skipped Dragonflight, or quit mid-expansion, a dragonriding mount isn't going to entice you to pre-purchase.
    It wouldn’t limit any usage if the dynamic & static flight toggle is added along with it…
    And you seem to forget that dragonriding itself isn’t a new skill. All it requires is flying which is unlocked automatically now if I’m not mistaken.
    And with dragonriding confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game I don’t understand the point you’re making.
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    what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    The algarian stormrider is likely the dragon riding storm gyprhon we datamined. It is a grpyhon model that is covered in a stormy aeshtetic and with lightning visuals attached, that was datamined alongside the ability for grpyhons to dragon ride.
    pair that with multiple dwarf based "Storm rider" cosmetics datamined as well.
    As I said, it is likely that that datamined gryphon is merely another newly designed gryphon mount for the storm riding achievements in 10.2. Again, likely a celebration of Gryphon mounts being dragonriding enabled in 10.2 along with that owl mount that drops from Fryakk.

    The algarian stormrider is NOT the elemental we see in the blizzcon promoitional material, that is a giant frost elemental, I highly doubt you would call a frost elemental a "storm rider".
    Correct. Which is why I said the Algarian Stormrider is likely related to the air elementals called Stormriders that live on the Stormpeaks in Northrend.

    In addition, it is likely that the ice elemental mount won't allow flight, since the mount based on a water elemental also cannot fly. However, an air elemental (which is what the Stormrider could be) would be able to fly since it is an air elemental.

    Further, we are significantly lacking in elemental mounts in comparison to other mount types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    It wouldn’t limit any usage if the dynamic & static flight toggle is added along with it…
    If....

    And you seem to forget that dragonriding itself isn’t a new skill. All it requires is flying which is unlocked automatically now if I’m not mistaken.
    And with dragonriding confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game I don’t understand the point you’re making.
    That dragonriding isn't confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game by 10.2, and that giving players a standard mount is more universally appealing than a mount designed for a feature in the current expansion. You can fly around anywhere in a standard mount. Not so much with a dragonriding mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    That still doesn't explain why order has aligned with light. If they could just use any power, as you say, then why did they choose the one they did? They could have easily used fire magic or something too. You mean it's just random, with no logical reason behind it? Ardenweald makes sense to use nature, it's where nature creatures go when they die. How does it make sense for order to use the light instead of arcane? What is the narrative implication here? Unless, of course, some sort of bargain has been struck.
    Because it doesnt hurt to have variety? The titans themselves use Nature (Eonar), Arcane (Norgannon and Aman'thul), elemental magic (Khaz'goroth, Aggramar, Golganneth), and Holy (Amitus if HS is to be believed).
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    If only people knew they could just not feed Teriz. I feel the page count would be lower on this thread if it were the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    If only people knew they could just not feed Teriz. I feel the page count would be lower on this thread if it were the case.
    Hey, I was simply answering a post that addressed one of my earlier arguments. It's not my fault if multiple posters wish to jump into an A and B conversation.

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    Yeah, let's just ignore the mountains of evidence from the Dragonflight story that says the Void is coming next.
    Keep in mind who you're responding to. They'll always believe whatever fake leaks best align with their desires to bring tinkers as a playable class and Undermine as a zone in WoW, even if more plausible "leaks" more aligned with current evidence exist.

    I'm not sure why I have to keep saying this over and over: Dragonflight and 11.0 are the sequels to Cataclysm. They contain the same themes as Cataclysm, and they have the same main enemy as Cataclysm. Cataclysm is a Void, Elemental and Dragon expansion all at once. So is Dragonflight. So is 11.0.
    I wouldn't go that far to claim "history repeating itself", but the void evidence currently in the game are actually quite strong. Iridikron is making a deal with the Void, possibly with the Void Lords, with the intention of bringing down the Titans, and I doubt Blizzard is just going to make the character stew away for an entire expansion away from prying eyes and then bring them back in 12.0 or later. This whole Iridikron + Void thing has to be leading to the next expansion's big conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Keep in mind who you're responding to. They'll always believe whatever fake leaks best align with their desires to bring tinkers as a playable class and Undermine as a zone in WoW, even if more plausible "leaks" more aligned with current evidence exist.

    I wouldn't go that far to claim "history repeating itself", but the void evidence currently in the game are actually quite strong. Iridikron is making a deal with the Void, possibly with the Void Lords, with the intention of bringing down the Titans, and I doubt Blizzard is just going to make the character stew away for an entire expansion away from prying eyes and then bring them back in 12.0 or later. This whole Iridikron + Void thing has to be leading to the next expansion's big conflict.
    Mostly agree, but not with the bolded part.

    This is what's so perplexing to me. When I look at Cataclysm, I see a delicious cake consisting of several notable ingredients, such as:

    - Thrall
    - The Dragon Aspects
    - The Old Gods working in the background
    - Cultists
    - The Elements and their Elemental Lords
    - Druids of the Flame
    - Mount Hyjal and Nordrassil
    - Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
    - Deathwing
    - The Infinite flight
    - World revamp

    When I look at Dragonflight, I see this:

    - The Dragon Aspects
    - The Old Gods working in the background
    - Cultists
    - The Elements and the Primal Incarnates
    - Druids of the Flame
    - The Emerald Dream and Amirdrassil
    - Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
    - The heirs of Deathwing
    - The Infinite flight

    Like, they're essentially carbon copies of each other, with Thrall and the world revamp left out of Dragonflight (both rumoured to be coming in 11.0).

    How is it not immediately obvious to every living soul on planet Earth that one is a sequel to the other?

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    Not a speculation but more an expectation/predictions based on few facts recently appeared.

    Name of the expansion: I don’t care but currently ppl are talking about Voidstorm

    Mostly talked zones:
    Khaz Algar - wild dwarf zone who can ride storm elementals/storm gryphons. It would be great to have this zone similar to underground place with a city similar to iron forge but more shiny. Zone enemy will be drogbars
    Avaloren - This will be the main max level area with most of the events happening alongside with new hub and raid. Maybe it sounds crazy but I believe the new hub will be Amildrassil which it’s physical appearance will appear in that area. (Books confirmed the emerald dream is reflecting the Azeroth). This area will be under void attack continuously.
    One of the region that we will be leveling will be through the place that pirate captain found. We know that they are recruiting many pirates. While they do not seek to invade amildrassil, still they want to conquer this place and obtain the artifacts which we will probably make alliance with the local factions. There will be plenty of swimming there and I expect to have water riding there.
    Last region, which will be under control of the Erinethria who travelled to this location long ago, potential found some local primal drakes and created her dragonisland. Acting as an aspect herself there, have plenty of green&local drake mixture eggs and dragons. We will be able to fly there with your dragonflight abilities. These new dragon type will be our initial foes, later to be Alias.

    No new classes I expect, neither race. More class race combinations and addition of new specs to every class patch by patch. More support, heal and tanky classes.

    The main enemy will be
    Season1: Iridkron and Zalatatg (unless he dies in unexpected season 4 DF) who still is a threat for amildrassil. Allied with void
    Season2: one or more titans. They are not happy with Amildrassil (again) and will send the Amanthul or any other that we will fight with some titan creatures and him. This is where the aspects needs to make a decision. Easy to decide for Vyranoth.
    Season 3: these awakened old gods or 5th old god to conquer Azeroth (as before). They are not super strong but their new goal is to bring that void plane to Azeroth instead of creating black empire.
    Season 4: voidstorm. We couldn’t beat the existing old gods and they opened a portal through void plane and give access to void lords to come to Azeroth. Through all azeroth there will be void events and we will be fighting this time a voidlord. We will desperately need help this time and light tyrant Yrel and with their support we will be able to defend Azeroth and kick off the light void battle which we will our lovely Anduin and Sylvanas back as main heroes of the 12.0

    The rest, new dungeons, DF similar m+ seasons, new raids, tier sets. I really wish ti have class weapons again with great customization options to be obtained from our Alias. Either dragon made, dwarf made etc.

    New bg and Arenas as usual. I would really like to see LOL Dora style bg. 5v5, getting perks per kill and some currency to be spent in the bg.

    Let’s see how many of these above will be true

    Note: thrall appears a lot in posters. He will probably leading us there.

    Thanks for reading
    Last edited by Tako1905; 2023-10-06 at 02:18 PM. Reason: Thrall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Mostly agree, but not with the bolded part.

    This is what's so perplexing to me. When I look at Cataclysm, I see a delicious cake consisting of several notable ingredients, such as:

    - Thrall
    - The Dragon Aspects
    - The Old Gods working in the background
    - Cultists
    - The Elements and their Elemental Lords
    - Druids of the Flame
    - Mount Hyjal and Nordrassil
    - Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
    - Deathwing
    - The Infinite flight
    - World revamp

    When I look at Dragonflight, I see this:

    - The Dragon Aspects
    - The Old Gods working in the background
    - Cultists
    - The Elements and the Primal Incarnates
    - Druids of the Flame
    - The Emerald Dream and Amirdrassil
    - Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
    - The heirs of Deathwing
    - The Infinite flight

    Like, they're essentially carbon copies of each other, with Thrall and the world revamp left out of Dragonflight (both rumoured to be coming in 11.0).

    How is it not immediately obvious to every living soul on planet Earth that one is a sequel to the other?
    In my view, Dragonflight dealt with the dragon side of Cataclysm. 11.0 will deal with the elemental side of Cataclysm, dealing with the elemental lords and the elemental planes that the titans imprisoned them in. Which is why Thrall is on the key art, and we're getting these elemental clues. In the end, I expect the world to be "renewed" by the close of next expansion, with 12.0 being the revamp people seemingly desire.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2023-10-06 at 02:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    In my view, Dragonflight dealt with the dragon side of Cataclysm. 11.0 will deal with the elemental side of Cataclysm, dealing with the elemental lords and the elemental planes that the titans imprisoned them in. Which is why Thrall is on the key art, and we're getting these elemental clues. In the end, I expect the world to be "renewed" by the close of next expansion, with 12.0 being the revamp people seemingly desire.
    I don't think this is unreasonable at all. The one thing I'd ammend is that the age of dragons began anew with Dragonflight (at least per the opening cinematic). So we're likely to still be seeing the Aspects in 11.0, at least. But I doubt we'll be awash in dragons like we have been on the Dragon Isles.

    It'll emphasise the other aspects (heh) of Cataclysm's theme more, such as the elements, the Void, the world of Azeroth, and so on. And of course, Thrall.

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