The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ImTheMizAwesome]

You know at this point i would love for someone to actually leak the next expansion preorder mount in it's all glory.

[Teriz]

I don't think this is unreasonable at all. The one thing I'd ammend is that the age of dragons began anew with Dragonflight (at least per the opening cinematic). So we're likely to still be seeing the Aspects in 11.0, at least. But I doubt we'll be awash in dragons like we have been on the Dragon Isles.

It'll emphasise the other aspects (heh) of Cataclysm's theme more, such as the elements, the Void, the world of Azeroth, and so on. And of course, Thrall.

Yeah, I believe the void is going to be in the background, and its mainly going to be Xal'atath. No void lords or Ethereals or anything like that. Merely Xal'atath using Iridikron as a pawn to unleash the elemental lords, since the elemental lords at one time worked with the old gods against the titans, and breaking the planes benefits both Iridikron and Xal'atath.

[ro9ue]

So that pale blue gryphon texture. Is that confirmed legit? And if so can someone link it again?

[Worldshaper]

Yeah, I believe the void is going to be in the background, and its mainly going to be Xal'atath. No void lords or Ethereals or anything like that. Merely Xal'atath using Iridikron as a pawn to unleash the elemental lords, since the elemental lords at one time worked with the old gods against the titans, and breaking the planes benefits both Iridikron and Xal'atath.

A reasonable enough prediction. I do think it'll culminate with a big Void showdown at least. The expansion might take a sharp turn halfway through, like Warlords of Draenor did with the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion.

[Teriz]

A reasonable enough prediction. I do think it'll culminate with a big Void showdown at least. The expansion might take a sharp turn halfway through, like Warlords of Draenor did with the Iron Horde and the Burning Legion.

Maybe.... I think an interesting twist would be if we actually end up fighting the keepers, because we recognize that all of their ordering hasn't been for benign intentions, and maybe some of the goals and intentions supported by the primal incarnates were valid. We're seeing some of that reasoning begin to emerge with Alexstraza.

[Marlamin]

So that pale blue gryphon texture. Is that confirmed legit? And if so can someone link it again?

It's a real texture, but that's all we know really.

[Lady Atia]

As I said, it is likely that that datamined gryphon is merely another newly designed gryphon mount for the storm riding achievements in 10.2. Again, likely a celebration of Gryphon mounts being dragonriding enabled in 10.2 along with that owl mount that drops from Fryakk.



Correct. Which is why I said the Algarian Stormrider is likely related to the air elementals called Stormriders that live on the Stormpeaks in Northrend.

In addition, it is likely that the ice elemental mount won't allow flight, since the mount based on a water elemental also cannot fly. However, an air elemental (which is what the Stormrider could be) would be able to fly since it is an air elemental.

Further, we are significantly lacking in elemental mounts in comparison to other mount types.

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If....



That dragonriding isn't confirmed to be expanded to the rest of the game by 10.2, and that giving players a standard mount is more universally appealing than a mount designed for a feature in the current expansion. You can fly around anywhere in a standard mount. Not so much with a dragonriding mount.

Lol, looks like you didn't even get your hands on the Jaina mount? Because ffs, that one can fly, just like any other elemental-based mount.

Also, going forward EVERY flying mount will get both dynamic flight (the current dragonriding) and static flight. So of course the pre-order mount would be a dynamic flight mount first.

[NikolaiShade]

So that pale blue gryphon texture. Is that confirmed legit? And if so can someone link it again?

Legit although we don't know for sure if it's tied to the 11.0 ce mount

[Gigantique]

Legit although we don't know for sure if it's tied to the 11.0 ce mount

Those beaks look waaaay too small to me. More like baby chick ones (assuming the upper left ones are beaks)

[Teriz]

Lol, looks like you didn't even get your hands on the Jaina mount? Because ffs, that one can fly, just like any other elemental-based mount.

Oh? According to this site it can't;

https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=895

Perhaps they made a mistake?

EDIT: Yeah just checked Wowhead, and that site made a boo-boo.

Also, going forward EVERY flying mount will get both dynamic flight (the current dragonriding) and static flight. So of course the pre-order mount would be a dynamic flight mount first.

Blizzard has never confirmed that, and it definitely won't be available in 10.2 when the heroic pre-order mount is available.

[Yzmor]

Next expansion according to AI:
https://imgur.com/a/qLNlBNi

[lanerios]

You know at this point i would love for someone to actually leak the next expansion preorder mount in it's all glory.

Agreed, at least that way we have something to discuss instead of Teriz' headcanon claiming it's all facts and whiplashing back and forth between opinions just to be contrarian.


To get back on topic;

I am really curious what the end result of the Amirdrassil raid will be. Will Fyrakk "win" or will we stop him? The outcome of that seems really intruiging.

[Teriz]

Next expansion according to AI:

Hmm, that's definitely how I would envision Khaz Algar.

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Agreed, at least that way we have something to discuss instead of Teriz' headcanon claiming it's all facts and whiplashing back and forth between opinions just to be contrarian.

Yeah, I never said it was all facts.

Relax.

[Ielenia]

Mostly agree, but not with the bolded part.

This is what's so perplexing to me. When I look at Cataclysm, I see a delicious cake consisting of several notable ingredients, such as:

- Thrall
- The Dragon Aspects
- The Old Gods working in the background
- Cultists
- The Elements and their Elemental Lords
- Druids of the Flame
- Mount Hyjal and Nordrassil
- Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
- Deathwing
- The Infinite flight
- World revamp

When I look at Dragonflight, I see this:

- The Dragon Aspects
- The Old Gods working in the background
- Cultists
- The Elements and the Primal Incarnates
- Druids of the Flame
- The Emerald Dream and Amirdrassil
- Naga (and Queen Azshara to some extent)
- The heirs of Deathwing
- The Infinite flight

Like, they're essentially carbon copies of each other, with Thrall and the world revamp left out of Dragonflight (both rumoured to be coming in 11.0).

How is it not immediately obvious to every living soul on planet Earth that one is a sequel to the other?

To me a lot of it feels more coincidental than intentional. For example:
• We had Infinite Dragonflight in Wrath.
• We had the Dragon Aspects in Wrath too.
• We had old gods in vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, MoP, Legion and BfA.
• We had naga in vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, etc...

Not to mention you equate "cultists" as being one single entity, which is not fair considering the cultists in Cataclysm were the Twilight Hammer, and here we have the Primalists. They're different cult, with different "deities" and goals. If we go with just "cultists" then we had cultists in basically every single expansion.

[lanerios]

Oh? According to this site it can't;

https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=895

Perhaps they made a mistake?




Blizzard has never confirmed that, and it definitely won't be available in 10.2 when the heroic pre-order mount is available.

And this is why we check our sources and don't go "One outdated site says so, so it has to be true!!"

let me link you a site that actually has up to date information:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=166705/...storm#comments

Screenshots, comments etc show it flying.

[Gigantique]

Oh? According to this site it can't;

https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=895

Perhaps they made a mistake?




Blizzard has never confirmed that, and it definitely won't be available in 10.2 when the heroic pre-order mount is available.

Nothing stopping them from activating the already finished dynamic flying for gryphon mounts along with the announcement and availability of the preorder, with the mount just so happening to be a gryphon.

[lanerios]

To me a lot of it feels more coincidental than intentional. For example:
• We had Infinite Dragonflight in Wrath.
• We had the Dragon Aspects in Wrath too.
• We had old gods in vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, MoP, Legion and BfA.
• We had naga in vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, etc...

Not to mention you equate "cultists" as being one single entity, which is not fair considering the cultists in Cataclysm were the Twilight Hammer, and here we have the Primalists. They're different cult, with different "deities" and goals. If we go with just "cultists" then we had cultists in basically every single expansion.

That list is pretty much "Wow, we have standard fantasy tropes in expansions? How unexpected!"

[ro9ue]

How is it not immediately obvious to every living soul on planet Earth that one is a sequel to the other?

I'm def with you on that. I wonder if some people just haven't been playing that long. Specifics off the top of my head that people can go run through in Cata content right now if they aren't onboard:
- The Hyjal zone + Molten Front + Firelands is like... literally identical conceptually and visually to what we're getting in 10.2 lol.
- Blackwing Descent.... Nefarian's lab with experimentations..... Aberrus. Shadowflame / corrupted dragons.
- End Times + other bronze dragon dungeons = Dawn of the Infinite.
- Aspects lose powers = Aspects regain powers.
- The first raid Vault of Incarnates even had a bunch of references mechanically to Bastion of Twilight and Grim Batol. Flying in on a bombing run with dragons. The elemental bosses and the ascendants of BoT. Broodkeeper and Sinestra.


BTW

I would add one more thing to your list of things not included in DF that was central in Cataclysm....

Dwarves. Twilight Highlands questing. Grim Batol.

So if you just take whats missing you get a clear set of themes:
- Archaeology/Uldum
- Dwarves/Old Dwarven ruins -Twilight Highlands is in Khaz Modan.... (Khaz'Algar)
- Void
- Thrall
- Vashjir/Naga
- Deepholm/Underground zone
- Elemental lords/elemental planes
- Goblins (Kezan) Worgen (Gilneas), may see revamps to these areas or new races depending how you look at it.

.. sounds a lot like what people are predicting in this thread already.

[NikolaiShade]

Next expansion according to AI:
https://imgur.com/a/qLNlBNi

LOL. I'm keeping a folder with all thesse pics for future use during dnd campaigns.

[Teriz]

Nothing stopping them from activating the already finished dynamic flying for gryphon mounts along with the announcement and availability of the preorder, with the mount just so happening to be a gryphon.

Lady Alita said for EVERY mount, which would even include mounts without wings.

Considering that Blizzard hasn't even expanded Dragonriding to gryphons yet, I think we're getting a bit ambitious.

We'll see if the pre-order mount is a gryphon.