The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Cool idea for races to be locked to CE, but I have to wonder where those races would be if we aren't getting any new zones until 11.0 besides maybe Amirdrassil.

[Marlamin]

Cool idea for races to be locked to CE, but I have to wonder where those races would be if we aren't getting any new zones until 11.0 besides maybe Amirdrassil.

They might be "invasion" style content (baseless guess), keep in mind access doesn't actually have to be locked to the CE, it could just be an event that starts at around the same time the key unlocks.

[Teriz]

That's very likely. Though I bet it's linked to completing the dragonriding cup instead of the purchase.
Only because the rest of us dragged him here, kicking & screaming. At least he's still not insisting the Algarian Stormrider can't be a dragonriding mount, because Marlamin proved that it is.

Uh, I never changed that view. I don't believe its a dragonriding mount, I believe its a standard mount. Further, I believe that all those achievements and dwarf stuff is for something occurring in the current expansion, not the next one.

If I'm wrong about that, oh well. That's the price you pay for speculation.

[Ersula]

Uh, I never changed that view. I don't believe its a dragonriding mount, I believe its a standard mount. Further, I believe that all those achievements and dwarf stuff is for something occurring in the current expansion, not the next one.

But it's one mount and a full set of customization options in the encryption set. There's zero chance they don't correspond to each other. That's a dragonriding thing. There are only in-game apparatus to change customization options for dragonriding mounts in dragonriding zones. They didn't datamine some sort of new interactable apparatus to customize non-dragonriding mounts.

[Cheezits]

While it makes most sense for it to be a gryphon, considering the dwarves, it would be odd if only the CE is a customizable gryphon when there are so many dragonriding gryphons that will be coming in later patches.

Maybe it's like the Dragonriding Drake? It's technically a new dragon model but it doesn't match existing drake/dragon mounts that came before 10.0.

[Gigantique]

Lady Alita said for EVERY mount, which would even include mounts without wings.

Considering that Blizzard hasn't even expanded Dragonriding to gryphons yet, I think we're getting a bit ambitious.

We'll see if the pre-order mount is a gryphon.

She said eventually, not that it would be a 10.2 feature though so if anything that more strongly implies models NOT having it (cough elementals) not being a potential heroic edition mount if you ask me

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But it's one mount and a full set of customization options in the encryption set. There's zero chance they don't correspond to each other. That's a dragonriding thing. There are only in-game apparatus to change customization options for dragonriding mounts in dragonriding zones.

Wait hold up the gryphon has CUSTOMISATION OPTIONS?

*happy noises*

[milkmustache]

Based on database metadata it is slightly longer than that, 18 characters including the "%s" part for the player name.

Probably just "%s the Storm Rider", right? 18 characters.

[Marlamin]

I don't believe its a dragonriding mount, I believe its a standard mount.

Unlikely based on current evidence, but not 100% impossible either although it would be surprising based on how they've encrypted things up to this point.

The only case where that can end up being right is when:

A) The Algarian Stormrider is not the mount encrypted under the key (historically unlikely given its achievement is) and the customizable dynamic flying mount in the bundle is named something different.
B) The Algarian Stormrider mount is encrypted under the key (historically likely) but the customization and dragonriding related things are for a different mount encrypted under a different key (historically unlikely).

Further, I believe that all those achievements and dwarf stuff is for something occurring in the current expansion, not the next one.

If I'm wrong about that, oh well. That's the price you pay for speculation.

I mean, all of the stuff under that key will be available this expansion... because it's in this expansion, 10.1.7 even. I don't think that's something anyone disagrees with.

While it makes most sense for it to be a gryphon, considering the dwarves, it would be odd if only the CE is a customizable gryphon when there are so many dragonriding gryphons that will be coming in later patches.

Maybe it's like the Dragonriding Drake? It's technically a new dragon model but it doesn't match existing drake/dragon mounts that came before 10.0.

Wait hold up the gryphon has CUSTOMISATION OPTIONS?

*happy noises*

Again, nothing in data points to it being a gryphon, that is an assumption people are making based on the name and the texture which might or might not be related with nothing pointing in either direction.

Probably just "%s the Storm Rider", right? 18 characters.

That could fit, yep.

[Ersula]

While it makes most sense for it to be a gryphon, considering the dwarves, it would be odd if only the CE is a customizable gryphon when there are so many dragonriding gryphons that will be coming in later patches.

Maybe it's like the Dragonriding Drake? It's technically a new dragon model but it doesn't match existing drake/dragon mounts that came before 10.0.

It's giving me that thought too. The Algarian part of its name points to Gryphon. But I am thinking it would be weird for it to have this full range of customization options we didn't have to grind. It's making me think Dragonflight has been a bit bizzare with all the customization options to unlock that aren't account wide? Will we have to grind dragonriding cutsomization options we like every time we start a new main?

Further, I believe that all those achievements and dwarf stuff is for something occurring in the current expansion, not the next one.

Obviously, because it's a pre-order bonus. It would come with the pre-order. The animations for non-dragon dragonriding mounts are in 10.2 and that's launching extremely near Blizzcon. Nothing's stopping Blizzard from adding a new Dragon, Gryphon or Large Bird dragonriding mount in 10.2 (not unlike Allied Races coming with BFA's pre-order but not being playable for a few weeks after the pre-order, which is why I made that comparison originally.)

[Marlamin]

It's making me think Dragonflight has been a bit bizzare with all the customization options to unlock that aren't account wide? Will we have to grind dragonriding cutsomization options we like every time we start a new main?

I believe all the dragon customizations are account wide, if they're not you might be running into a bug.

[Teriz]

But it's one mount and a full set of customization options in the encryption set. There's zero chance they don't correspond to each other.

And again, there is zero evidence that that particular encrypted mount is 100% the Aglarian Stormrider. It could very well be something related to 10.2, considering we're getting quite a bit of dwarf stuff in that patch.

That's a dragonriding thing. There are only in-game apparatus to change customization options for dragonriding mounts in dragonriding zones. They didn't datamine some sort of new interactable apparatus to customize non-dragonriding mounts.

And as I said before, all of that dwarven stuff seems like some sort of celebration to mark gryphons being given the ability to dragonride. I don't believe it has anything to do with 11.0 at all.

[Gigantique]

Ah right so we know there is *something* with customisation but it's connected (most likely) to the Algarian Stormrider and not connected (most likely) to the textures then?

[milkmustache]

It's giving me that thought too. The Algarian part of its name points to Gryphon. But I am thinking it would be weird for it to have this full range of customization options we didn't have to grind. It's making me think Dragonflight has been a bit bizzare with all the customization options to unlock that aren't account wide? Will we have to grind dragonriding cutsomization options we like every time we start a new main?

I'm really curious where they go with the dragonriding customization. I just can't imagine that a customizable mount takes storyline forefront again, especially if they're adding dynamic flying to other mounts. It feels weird to lock people out from all of their favorite mounts

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And again, there is zero evidence that that particular encrypted mount is 100% the Aglarian Stormrider. It could very well be something related to 10.2, considering we're getting quite a bit of dwarf stuff in that patch.

What is the "quite a bit of dwarf stuff" that we're being given in 10.2?

[Leowyld]

Haven't really posted here since trying to help out with all the Scaleface riddles and such for Dragonflight (fun times). And now we are closing in on that time again. In regards to the expansion's prospective title, keep in mind that one of the fake leaks used the Dragonflight title before that was leaked as the expansion's title. That is to say, one of these many (clearly) fake leaks might be accidentally using the correct title. Granted, it was much more singularly obvious this would be a dragon expansion than whatever the theme is for the next, but still... it *could* be Voidstorm or Beyond the Storm or any of the titles that are related to potential themes. If that happens, be careful not to consider the fake leak sharing its name automatically validated - some made that mistake with Dragonflight (I was even swayed a bit)

[Cheezits]

I'm really curious where they go with the dragonriding customization. I just can't imagine that a customizable mount takes storyline forefront again, especially if they're adding dynamic flying to other mounts. It feels weird to lock people out from all of their favorite mounts

I think we will get customizable mounts moving forward, but not as many as Dragonflight. Maybe one or two per expansion that thematically fit.

I think Gryphons and something on Horde will definitely get it (Windriders aren't as iconic these days so I'm not sure it would be them)

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What is the "quite a bit of dwarf stuff" that we're being given in 10.2?

I wouldn't say it's "quite a bit", but we are getting a Wildhammer tmog set for trading post, Dwarven axes for trading post, Stormrider hammers for trading post or CE (which may not even be dwarves but they ARE hammers), and a new model for the Dark Iron war machine.

Also I think new models for the mole machines? Maybe?

[Teriz]

Unlikely based on current evidence, but not 100% impossible either although it would be surprising based on how they've encrypted things up to this point.

The only case where that can end up being right is when:

A) The Algarian Stormrider is not the mount encrypted under the key (historically unlikely given its achievement is) and the customizable dynamic flying mount in the bundle is named something different.
B) The Algarian Stormrider mount is encrypted under the key (historically likely) but the customization and dragonriding related things are for a different mount encrypted under a different key (historically unlikely).



I mean, all of the stuff under that key will be available this expansion... because it's in this expansion, 10.1.7 even. I don't think that's something anyone disagrees with.

Oh they disagree. They believe the Storm Rider achievement, the trading post items, and Gryphons getting dragonriding in 10.2. means that 11.0 is going to be a heavy dwarf-based expansion. I simply disagree.

That said, thank you for all the work you do.

[Marlamin]

Ah right so we know there is *something* with customisation but it's connected (most likely) to the Algarian Stormrider and not connected (most likely) to the textures then?

The latter "most likely" could go either way but my gut feeling says the texture is not related to the mount due to its low resolution compared to the current customizable mounts but that's not exactly evidence.

[Teriz]

What is the "quite a bit of dwarf stuff" that we're being given in 10.2?

Storm Rider Achievements
Storm Rider gear in the trading post
Dragonriding with Gryphons

[kydon1328]

Haven't really posted here since trying to help out with all the Scaleface riddles and such for Dragonflight (fun times). And now we are closing in on that time again. In regards to the expansion's prospective title, keep in mind that one of the fake leaks used the Dragonflight title before that was leaked as the expansion's title. That is to say, one of these many (clearly) fake leaks might be accidentally using the correct title. Granted, it was much more singularly obvious this would be a dragon expansion than whatever the theme is for the next, but still... it *could* be Voidstorm or Beyond the Storm or any of the titles that are related to potential themes. If that happens, be careful not to consider the fake leak sharing its name automatically validated - some made that mistake with Dragonflight (I was even swayed a bit)

I only saw it mentioned once and never again a few hundred pages ago, but someone leaked Earthbreaker or something similar as the title with some features, and I'm still convinced that's the real one.

[milkmustache]

I wouldn't say it's "quite a bit", but we are getting a Wildhammer tmog set for trading post, Dwarven axes for trading post, Stormrider hammers for trading post or CE (which may not even be dwarves but they ARE hammers), and a new model for the Dark Iron war machine.

Also I think new models for the mole machines? Maybe?

So all Trading Post items and upgraded models which we've been seeing throughout the expansion. I think Teriz, as usual, is grasping at straws to fit their argument.

Storm Rider Achievements
Storm Rider gear in the trading post
Dragonriding with Gryphons

You keep stating dragonriding with gryphons as a fact for 10.2 when that's just not true. A deadline was never given for that.

Stormrider Achievements have been in the game files, this much is obvious. They are clearly tied to the CE mount, I know you don't believe that, but you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.