The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Paula Deen]

Nothing really jumping out but the new promotion is interesting I guess

Yeah few ideas so far;
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Virtual Tickets/Blizzcon Goods

[Raetary]

They are really taking their sweet sweet time with the Blizzcon package.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Yeah few ideas so far;
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Virtual Tickets/Blizzcon Goods

it's probably blizzcon goods because blizzcon playlist got updated on youtube.

https://i.imgur.com/Hl23gAL.png

[Paula Deen]

They are really taking their sweet sweet time with the Blizzcon package.

Its because they want more people to buy tickets because clearly no one is buying them.

[Murlocos]

I actually think Anduin's main strength isn't even his character, its super generic lmao. Its his character progression. He moved up as we players did which is really unique in WoW....he and Thrall seem to be the only two characters that actually age.

That's more or less what I'm getting at as well. Seeing Anduin grow and face genuine challenge that's suited to his character is what made so many people become attached to him. Having him become another static character that's not very distinguishable from the others is a downgrade. The onus is on the writers to create new dilemmas and problems for the characters and races to face that resonate with their unique stories and characteristics. Otherwise you are on a fast track to the only conflict being united Azeroth vs. cosmic absolutism on loop until end of service.

[Reive]

In context, I do fully respect both cinematics and love them even, more than Legion and BFA and SL, but that is a bit disingenuous as a characterization of either?

Panda Man says philosophical quote while random Orc and Human Fight

vs

Dragon narrates her return to her home over Random Stone Man climbing molten rock tower

Both have very similar basis in style and substance when you try really hard to minimize the impact of characterization of those present.

yeah no. wow cinematics always had 2 things: cool lines and/or cool scenes. the dragonflight cinematic had neither. also, as someone said the mop cinematic not only had better dialogue but also had human vs orcs, which is warcraft at its core. There were better ways to introduce the dragon isles and dragonflight in general than dedicating most of the cinematic to some random npc

[Houle]

Was he thought?
As i see it, its his own fault.

They could've very well enacted some order over the tree, containing and maintaining it the same way they do the dream.
Instead he went out of his way to hurt Azeroth (again, this time deliberately), breaking the trust of a fellow titan and leaving the planet with an open backdoor for any power to crawl in and corrupt.

And all because he got angry.

Tbf, weve seen with Vordrassil what an imprisoned OG can do with even a "mere" Nordrassil-off-shoot world tree.

This tree (like Nordrassil itself) came directly from G'Hanir, and Eonar chose to plant it while the war against the Black Empire was still in full force, and all OGs were still free and kicking. If one of them got even a single tentacle on that thing, that couldve been potentially disastrous for the titan-forged and the entire war.

It was just incredibly stupid of her to plant that thing during a world-spanning war against an enemy whos entire thing is that they corrupt whatever they can get their hands on.

[Wangming]

Oh no. You cannot. You have to start Chromie Time to even get anything to scale. I get you.

That's nice. Cause I wanted to suggest this very thing yesterday and I was dismissed as a didingenuos FF fan who lies about WoW for fun.
Their argument was that having old zones in classic is not good enough cause you can't experience it all on one character. As if that happened to you in retail.

WoW is literally carrying the corpses of past versions just in case somebody wants to relive the good old days.

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Tbf, weve seen with Vordrassil what an imprisoned OG can do with even a "mere" Nordrassil-off-shoot world tree.

This tree (like Nordrassil itself) came directly from G'Hanir, and Eonar chose to plant it while the war against the Black Empire was still in full force, and all OGs were still free and kicking. If one of them got even a single tentacle on that thing, that couldve been potentially disastrous for the titan-forged and the entire war.

It was just incredibly stupid of her to plant that thing during a world-spanning war against an enemy whos entire thing is that they corrupt whatever they can get their hands on.

To play the devil's advocate we don't know how long it took to corrupt Vordrassil. And a huge pillar that radiates life and titan blessing might not be a bad thing against the Empire.

[Nymrohd]

This is what I suspect and also coincidentally what I want. Warrior throwing banners around and issuing roaring calls to battle. I think we'll see Disc priest as a support spec someday too; it needs more to set it apart.

In my perfect world Enhancement shaman becomes a support DPS as well, and Shaman or Evoker get a mail-wearing earth-magic tank spec. Missed opportunity by Blizzard not to have made Evoker tank, heal, support (no pure RDPS) from the get-go, in my opinion. I'd love Evoker or Shaman tank tho - it'd mean we'd see some good beefy mail transmogs for Hunters to steal and it'd give Blizzard a cool opportunity especially for Evoker tanks to get tank-themed staff weapons for transmog as well! Could be neat.

I keep getting sidetracked by my hopes for class re-designs and support integration and Im sorry

Yeah I agree about Enchancement and Discipline making sense but neither of them is a spec I predominantly play and I am very much unsure the people who main these specs would appreciate them becoming something completely different (especially for Enchancement). And after the disaster reception of Survival I get why Blizzard would be very cautious about radical redesigns.

[Raetary]

It was just incredibly stupid of her to plant that thing during a world-spanning war against an enemy whos entire thing is that they corrupt whatever they can get their hands on.

???

What makes you think this happened in the middle of battling the Black empire?
The book doesn't mention any time period, all it says is Eonar got a branch from Elune and then planted a tree.

If anything, the fact that she has time enough to interact with Elune and then do that implies the major threat is over, the OGs are imprisoned and they are ordering Azeroth.

[Well Done Steak]

More than likely the only classes getting support specs are the “Bloodlust/Heroism” classes. That would be Mage, Shaman, and Hunters. Evokers were the 4th class to get Bloodlust/heroism buff.

I mean I think that's a bit of a stretchy assumption just because evokers have a lust.

Blizz will give support to who they feel fits from a thematic standpoint.

Paladins for example are a prime candidate. They're already a pseudo support class, they just need to double down to make it the main point of a spec.

[flan1337]

Seems likely. When I visit the playlist, it says there is a hidden video.

oh how interesting you are right - wonder if we could find the unpublished link haha

[Nerdslime]

They've finally managed to bring back enhancement shamans to a good place, as they've stated they will not alter their role (and they shouldn't).
I don't want another support spec in the game for now, it would be very cumbersome to manage balancing and they are still figuring it out with just augmentation evoker. (cf. their many changes in 10.2)

There are already a good amount of tanks and healers in the game, I'm not opposed to more. I would put in my top priorities new mechanics for tanks that would make them more entertaining to play and less a I need to perfect the route of the dungeon and not fall asleep when doing raid boss fights

As a tank main I definitely support that! More tank mechanics would be a definite plus. You're also right about the balance issues of support classes - but hey, when have we ever had functional balance

[Samin]

oh how interesting you are right - wonder if we could find the unpublished link haha

It's probably still just a video that goes live before Blizzcon as a teaser and be explicitly spoiler free.

[Eldryth]

???

What makes you think this happened in the middle of battling the Black empire?
The book doesn't mention any time period, all it says is Eonar got a branch from Elune and then planted a tree.

If anything, the fact that she has time enough to interact with Elune and then do that implies the major threat is over, the OGs are imprisoned and they are ordering Azeroth.

Page 7 specified that Eonar had Freya guard the crater while the war against the Black Empire continued, so it had to have happened before the Titans' victory.

[Raetary]

Page 7 specified that Eonar had Freya guard the crater while the war against the Black Empire continued, so it had to have happened before the Titans' victory.

Right, i missed that detail.

[Magistrate]

I think that if warriors get gladiator support spec, they should get ress based on screaming into a body with rage to bring the person back from the dead.

This elicits joy.

[Foolicious]

Without the world trees Archimonde would have won the third war.

I would argue that literally anything else that happened played a bigger role in archimondes defeat than the world tree.

[Samin]

???

What makes you think this happened in the middle of battling the Black empire?
The book doesn't mention any time period, all it says is Eonar got a branch from Elune and then planted a tree.

If anything, the fact that she has time enough to interact with Elune and then do that implies the major threat is over, the OGs are imprisoned and they are ordering Azeroth.

What's the over-under for the crater being Hyjal and the Barrow Deeps and/or Furbolg cave systems being the remains of the root system? My mind is wandering to northern (modern) Kalimdor because when it talks about mysterious guardians protecting the roots my mind immediately went to the Ancients.

I know it's appealing to attribute everything to new lore, but I wouldn't be opposed to some retroactive world building either.

[Skildar]