The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Found on google, mashup from twitter(Tol'kargZ twt), mok'nathal bear druids would go haard.

[Pyrophax]

By that logic elves, orcs and Draenei are humans.

They cant and you know it. There is 3 expamples of irracial breeding. And it is Vereesa twins, Arathor and Garona. While Garona is born via magic intervention, Rhonin twins and Arathor is wild card.
Maybe High Elves can mate with humans, but its hard? Maybe must be some magic incursion to do so. Who knows.
There is also Lantrezor, but I think his deal same as Garona.

[Merryck]

Found on google, mashup from twitter(Tol'kargZ twt), mok'nathal bear druids would go haard.

Blizzard will do anything but give us proper ogres.

[pacotaco]

Yea, when ever there is "new" costumization options like that again, just going to hold my expectations even more.

Its not even worth the bullitpoint.. Its weird that they even think that. 5 skin colors, I mean what..

Someone in Twitter (I think it was a WoW dev) pointed to more customization next PTR build.

[Santandame]

???
"One dungeon and half a zone"
Drustvar had a pirate town
All of tirigarde was pirates, and the entire storyline of that zone, and culimation to all of the zones was pirates. Even some of the desert on zandalar was pirate based and the horde recruits pirates to fight the alliance.
There was not 1 pirate dungeon, there was 2. Did you forget siege of boralus?
Island expeidtions also had a ton of pirates

Anyport? The hub that had 2 WANTED style quests attached to it and nothing else complete with one building?

Siege of Boralus was an Ashvane dungeon. It had pirates as an enemy as well as Ashvane forces and Naga/Old God forces. It was not a pirate dungeon in the sense that Freehold was a pirate dungeon. That’s like saying Stormstout Brewery was a Virmen dungeon because it had some Virmen enemies.

Literally half of Tirisgarde was pirates. The rest of it was Old God, Norwington Estate (Troggs and slice of life), azerite mines, more hunting style slice of life, Drust and the abandoned mechagnome junkyard.

The culmination to all of Kul Tiras was not pirates. It was rescuing Jaina from Gorak Tul in Thros and then repelling Ashvane’s forces (which included her entire house strength, as well as pirates and old god forces).

There is a minor quest hub in Vol’dun that deals with pirates, yes. (But the prevailing aesthetic was undead trolls over what is typically the WoW aesthetic.)

Pirates are one threat out of over a dozen for Island Expeditions alongside Naga, Quillboar, Mantid, Vrykul, Undead, Dragons, Kvaldir, feral Worgen, Ogres and many others.

The Horde recruit pirates based in Tirisgarde to help them, yes. But aside from the what, five quests attached to it in that part of the war campaign, they’re not seen again.

They have around the same amount of presence as Sethrak in BfA. Who also have the majority of a zone based around them, a dungeon, a small presence in every other Zandalar zone (just like pirates with Drustvar and Stormsong) and are also recruited by the Alliance to help with the war campaign in Zandalar. The only thing I think pirates have over them in BfA is that they don’t show up as an enemy in an Island Expedition.

You wouldn’t say BfA was full of Sethrak, because it wasn’t. They were largely contained to one zone and dungeon whilst being treated as minor threats in minor quests in other zones as well as playing a small role in the war campaign. Exactly the same as pirates.

BfA was an expansion with a heavy theme on seafaring and navies. I don’t know why people seem to conflate that with pirates, just because of ships?

BfA was full of faction conflict and old god forces. Those are the only constant across the entirety of BfA.

[TeamWorldRevamp]

Found on google, mashup from twitter(Tol'kargZ twt), mok'nathal bear druids would go haard.

Still the coolest and most iconic race of this game.

[FelPlague]

Anyport? The hub that had 2 WANTED style quests attached to it and nothing else complete with one building?

Siege of Boralus was an Ashvane dungeon. It had pirates as an enemy as well as Ashvane forces and Naga/Old God forces. It was not a pirate dungeon in the sense that Freehold was a pirate dungeon. That’s like saying Stormstout Brewery was a Virmen dungeon because it had some Virmen enemies.

Literally half of Tirisgarde was pirates. The rest of it was Old God, Norwington Estate (Troggs and slice of life), azerite mines, more hunting style slice of life, Drust and the abandoned mechagnome junkyard.

The culmination to all of Kul Tiras was not pirates. It was rescuing Jaina from Gorak Tul in Thros and then repelling Ashvane’s forces (which included her entire house strength, as well as pirates and old god forces).

There is a minor quest hub in Vol’dun that deals with pirates, yes.

Pirates are one threat out of over a dozen for Island Expeditions alongside Naga, Quillboar, Mantid, Vrykul, Undead, Dragons, Kvaldir, feral Worgen, Ogres and many others.

The Horde recruit pirates based in Tirisgarde to help them, yes. But aside from the what, five quests attached to it in that part of the war campaign, they’re not seen again.

They have around the same amount of presence as Sethrak in BfA. Who also have the majority of a zone based around them, a dungeon, a small presence in every other Zandalar zone (just like pirates with Drustvar and Stormsong) and are also recruited by the Alliance to help with the war campaign in Zandalar. The only thing I think pirates have over them in BfA is that they don’t show up as an enemy in an Island Expedition.

You wouldn’t say BfA was full of Sethrak, because it wasn’t. They were largely contained to one zone and dungeon whilst being treated as minor threats in minor quests in other zones as well as playing a small role in the war campaign. Exactly the same as pirates.

BfA was an expansion with a heavy theme on seafaring and navies. I don’t know why people seem to conflate that with pirates, just because of ships?

BfA was full of faction conflict, old god forces, forsaken, orcs, trolls and humans. Those are the only constant across the entirety of BfA.

1- It had more then 2 wanted style quests

2- Literally what are the on about? Ashvane led the pirates, and every single enemy in that dungeon was a pirate except the last boss which was a giant squid, what are you talking about? Literally every single enemy in that dungeon but the final boss was a pirate...

Ashvanes forces were literally only pirates, she did not have old god allies till she arrived in nazjatar, idk what you are talking about...

Show me a SINGLE old god force here.
And here is the siege of boralus, show me a SINGLE naga/old god enemy (Other then final boss which is just a giant squid)
https://www.wowhead.com/zone=9354/siege-of-boralus#npcs

And no the horde literally recruit ashvane, and break her out of prison, you sure you played BFA?

Not even gunna bother with rest.

[Lady Atia]

There's no way people are this clueless. The "datamining" literally says "Heroic" in front of "Algarian Stormrider." The Algarian Stormrider is clearly part of the 11.0 pre-order.

Yeah, not sure if people are just trolling because of the Teriz memes or not lol.

[Santandame]

1- It had more then 2 wanted style quests

2- Literally what are the on about? Ashvane led the pirates, and every single enemy in that dungeon was a pirate except the last boss which was a giant squid, what are you talking about? Literally every single enemy in that dungeon but the final boss was a pirate...

Ashvanes forces were literally only pirates, she did not have old god allies till she arrived in nazjatar, idk what you are talking about...

Show me a SINGLE old god force here.
And here is the siege of boralus, show me a SINGLE naga/old god enemy (Other then final boss which is just a giant squid)
https://www.wowhead.com/zone=9354/siege-of-boralus#npcs

And no the horde literally recruit ashvane, and break her out of prison, you sure you played BFA?

Not even gunna bother with rest.

My mistake. It has a couple of quests to clear out pirates of Anyport and that’s it. Hardly prominent though.

Every single enemy in the dungeon were not pirates. There were Ashvane’s (you know, her house), Scrimshaw’s which were thugs from the slums of Boralus, as well as pirates. Pirates were just an enemy of several in the dungeon.

One of the bosses was a sea giant called Hadal Darkfathom - https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hadal_Darkfathom

The dungeon journal states that he was called from the depths to assist Ashvane. Because she was in an alliance with Azshara, well before she arrived in Nazjatar as you stated. The following boss is also:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Viq%27Goth

Who was present in the other half of the Tirisgarde campaign that wasn’t focused around pirates. The campaign that was you know, based around Old God forces? How would Ashvane be able to call upon Old God forces like you claim if she hadn’t made an alliance with them until after she arrived in Nazjatar ?(how would she even arrive there of her own volition?) Unless you’re suggesting a pirate can call upon the Old Gods when they please (Ashvane isn’t a pirate)

Lady Ashvane isn’t a pirate. She’s a noblewoman from Kul Tiras of House Ashvane, the most prominent of Kul Tiras houses alongside House Proudmoore and the ones who supply Kul Tiras with all their weaponry and a good chunk of military forces. House Ashvane are not pirates, just like House Proudmoore, Waycrest and Stormsong aren’t pirates. The Ashvane’s do infact ally with pirates though, the Irontide (as well as Azshara).

The Horde does free Ashvane from Tol Dagor, but not for her pirate fleet (she isn’t a pirate) they free her for her knowledge surrounding Azerite weaponry as well as because of her alliance with Azshara, which Sylvanas needs information on. This is why Nathanos leaves the Horde forces as soon as they arrive in Nazjatar, to go and give the dagger to Azshara.

I don’t need to point out any old god forces in that cinematic. Instead I can direct you to the Siege of Boralus dungeon instead (which immediately follows this cinematic chronologically) where she actively uses old god forces provided by her alliance with Azshara. As well as those provided by Azshara, Ashvane utilises forces of House Ashvane, and Tidesages (certainly not pirates, likely they are of or defected from House Stormsong) as well as pirates.

I’m not sure how you can ask if I played BfA (it’s actually one of my favourite modern expansions behind Legion). Did you play BfA?

[Lady Atia]

Uh I never said the BlizzCon mount was the Algarian Stormrider. I said the BlizzCon mount could be a hint that 11.0 is an elemental expansion.

As for the Algarian Stormrider, I said it is likely an air elemental due to a similar mob in the Storm Peaks. Whether or not that turns out to be true has yet to be seen.

OT: The NE on top of the BlizzCon mount wearing dragon riding gear is interesting. Perhaps they plan on expanding dynamic flying to Elemental mounts?

Can't you read? I already told you they ARE planning to add dynamic flight TO ALL mounts that can currently fly. That's why they take so long because they prolly wanted to release the switch in one go, not over waves, hence they are working on it for a few patches now in the background and don't even want to hide it. Elemental mounts could fly since their introduction, of course they will get dynamic flight as well.

[Wangming]

Blizzard will do anything but give us proper ogres.

Same with High Elves actually.

If they wanted to really piss off Ogre fans, they would add them.

As members of a third faction like dunno, Darkmoon Faire

[Makorus]

My mistake. It has a couple of quests to clear out pirates of Anyport and that’s it. Hardly prominent though.

Every single enemy in the dungeon were not pirates. There were Ashvane’s (you know, her house), Scrimshaw’s which were thugs from the slums of Boralus, as well as pirates. Pirates were just an enemy of several in the dungeon.

One of the bosses was a sea giant called Hadal Darkfathom - https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hadal_Darkfathom

The dungeon journal states that he was called from the depths to assist Ashvane. Because she was in an alliance with Azshara, well before she arrived in Nazjatar as you stated. The following boss is also:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Viq%27Goth

Who was present in the other half of the Tirisgarde campaign that wasn’t focused around pirates. The campaign that was you know, based around Old God forces? How would Ashvane be able to call upon Old God forces like you claim if she hadn’t made an alliance with them until after she arrived in Nazjatar ?(how would she even arrive there of her own volition?) Unless you’re suggesting a pirate can call upon the Old Gods when they please (Ashvane isn’t a pirate)

Lady Ashvane isn’t a pirate. She’s a noblewoman from Kul Tiras of House Ashvane, the most prominent of Kul Tiras houses alongside House Proudmoore and the ones who supply Kul Tiras with all their weaponry and a good chunk of military forces. House Ashvane are not pirates, just like House Proudmoore, Waycrest and Stormsong aren’t pirates. The Ashvane’s do infact ally with pirates though, the Irontide (as well as Azshara).

The Horde does free Ashvane from Tol Dagor, but not for her pirate fleet (she isn’t a pirate) they free her for her knowledge surrounding Azerite weaponry as well as because of her alliance with Azshara, which Sylvanas needs information on. This is why Nathanos leaves the Horde forces as soon as they arrive in Nazjatar, to go and give the dagger to Azshara.

I don’t need to point out any old god forces in that cinematic. Instead I can direct you to the Siege of Boralus dungeon instead (which immediately follows this cinematic chronologically) where she actively uses old god forces provided by her alliance with Azshara. As well as those provided by Azshara, Ashvane utilises forces of House Ashvane, and Tidesages (certainly not pirates, likely they are of or defected from House Stormsong) as well as pirates.

I’m not sure how you can ask if I played BfA (it’s actually one of my favourite modern expansions behind Legion). Did you play BfA?

The problem is, direct mentions to Ashvane working with Azshara were present at some point during the Alpha, but were explicitly cut, leaving literally NO mentions between Ashvane and Azshara until 8.2 and the story doesn't really make sense if you consider that Azshara and Ashvane were already allied prior to Sylvanas making the deal.

Saying Siege of Boralus is not a pirate dungeon is like saying that Highmaul is not an Ogre raid because Tectus and Brackenspore are in it.

[Pheraz]

Still the coolest and most iconic race of this game.

I think orcs are the iconic race of Warcraft but night elves are IMO the iconic race of wow. No other game has this combination of Greek Japanese dark elves from the night and moon

Would still be definitely fitting if we would get orc druids though. 100%

[Nymrohd]

Saying Siege of Boralus is not a pirate dungeon is like saying that Highmaul is not an Ogre raid because Tectus and Brackenspore are in it.

I mean the dungeon has four bosses. Chopper is a member of the Irontide. Lockwood is Ashvane's fleet captain so not a pirate, a House Ashvane captain (all the adds in her fight are named Ashvane, not Irontide or Bilge Rat). Hadal and Viz'qoth are both part of the Azshara connection. So there is one pirate boss (and he ain't even in a ship). The dungeon is located in a Kul Tiran city, not in a pirate location and the event is a city siege by Priscilla's forces which include among others the pirates of the Irontide. So it is more of a coup than a pirate raid.

Comparing that to Highmaul which has 7 bosses, 4 of which are Ogres, 1 is fought in an Ogre Arena and the other two are besieging Highmaul, an Ogre capital city while the event of the dungeon is said siege by Void Forces under Cho'gall plus by the Alliance/Horde commanders is not a fair comparison.

[Santandame]

The problem is, direct mentions to Ashvane working with Azshara were present at some point during the Alpha, but were explicitly cut, leaving literally NO mentions between Ashvane and Azshara until 8.2 and the story doesn't really make sense if you consider that Azshara and Ashvane were already allied prior to Sylvanas making the deal.

Saying Siege of Boralus is not a pirate dungeon is like saying that Highmaul is not an Ogre raid because Tectus and Brackenspore are in it.

Well that’s the thing. Highmaul is clearly, predominantly an Ogre raid. The reason for us going there is to stop the Highmaul Ogres. The majority of the bosses are Ogres, including the final boss and the majority of the mobs are Ogres.

Freehold is predominantly a pirate dungeon, down to the setting, mobs and bosses. Siege of Boralus is a lot more nuanced because it isn’t anything like Freehold in that it’s a pirate dungeon nor is it solely pirates invading. It’s Ashvane forces that are invading that are comprised of House Ashvane forces itself, as well as pirates and Azshara sending some of her forces to help with the siege. It’s not a pirate dungeon, it’s an Ashvane dungeon because that’s who the threat is.

[Valysar]

I thought the Blizzcon mount was bigger, plus our character shrinks when he's on it

[Makorus]

I thought the Blizzcon mount was bigger, plus our character shrinks when he's on it

Every mount of that type shrinks the character. Shaman mount and SL KSM mount.

[Santandame]

It’s also worth noting that it isn’t really necessary to state in complete black and white that Azshara and Ashvane were working with each other prior to 8.2.

It’s made pretty clear just from playing the Kul Tiran story from levelling, up until the campaign involving Jaina.

Kul Tiras is in complete disarray because of the status of the Houses. The fleet is being kept hostage in a storm facilitated by Azshara and House Stormsong, whilst Ashvane is manufacturing Azerite weaponry to assist in the planned coup, all the while she has the ability to call upon kraken, sea giants and mindbenders who are all previously known to be minions of Azshara. It doesn’t need to be spelled out and slapped in the face with a reveal that Azshara and Ashvane are in league.

[lanerios]

So, what happened to Teriz and his "leak" of"The blizzcon mount is the stormcharger because Stormpeak and Ulduar and omg if you disagree you are stupid!!".



I am torn on getting it or not, mostly because of the price difference for just the 1 mount.. hmm

[Makorus]

So, what happened to Teriz and his "leak" of"The blizzcon mount is the stormcharger because Stormpeak and Ulduar and omg if you disagree you are stupid!!".



I am torn on getting it or not, mostly because of the price difference for just the 1 mount.. hmm

It's actually not that bad value if you play most Blizzard games.

The Legendary Pack comes with the Diablo 4 Battlepass and the OW2 Battlepass, so if you were planning to play those anyway, that's it already half price.