The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

Considering Odyn gets all of his orders from the Titans themselves, I highly doubt this. Besides, the Light and Void stuff only really exists because mortals cannot know about the actual creators and their workshops, so they basically went with the next best thing, especially since mortals could better comprehend the concept of Light and Shadow.

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Like, imagine trying to explain the First Ones to Azerothians of any timeline. They'd be confused to shit. Hell, people IRL are confused to shit. Even now, I have to clarify the nature of the Progenitors to some of y'all.

I feel called out.

[Nymrohd]

IIRC they were all made from the Forge of Wills, and the old lore at least says that any titan-forged created there would contract the Curse, even if they were created before the Curse.

Just saying, this is what the Chronicle specifically said about the Tol'vir and I guess the Mogu.

These meetings would have a lasting impact. In journeying south, Loken's forces had unwittingly spread the curse of flesh throughout many of Ra's faithful servants.

Emphasis mine. It was spread. So not innate but communicable. Also are we sure they are all made in the Forge of Wills? Entirely possible the Mogu and Tol'vir could also be made in the Engine of Nalak'sha.

[Woggmer]

I dont see him killing a titan, but probably multiple titan keepers imo.

Nah.. If anything, just by sowing seeds of doubt in us and "make us" fight the Keepers because "they're not trusted" is just a necessary ploy to get us fighting while he builds up his forces.

We end up killing the Titan Keepers which will send an emergency distress broadcast out to the Titans who will show up.. giving Iridikron the perfect time to actually strike.

[Scyth]

So, just for the sake of speculation, what do you guys think that we are getting in 10.2.5 - 10.2.7? It does not seem that we would have a 10.3, nor even a 10.2.7, but a 10.2.5 is a pretty safe bet, and it will probably be unveiled during Blizzcon. I am putting my money on:

- Shamans, Paladins and Druids for all races. 10.2 has quests that lead me to believe that it could happen all at once.

- Brawler's Guild.

- BfA Timewalking + Open World Timewalking.

- Dracthyr becoming other classes.

- Fated season.

- Tyr becoming an enemy. In 10.2 he would side with us, but after that it seems clear that he would not like the "new" Aspects. I also think that Paladins will flock to his aid. Could we see the return of Salandria? She is supposed to do some bad shit after all, maybe guided by Tyr?

That is all that I got. It is difficult to speculate about this because we do not even know if there will be a 10.3, which would change things dramatically. I would love to have one, even if it is a low effort one like 8.3.

Blizzars forgot about Shaman’s existence this xpac and with all the love Druid’s are getting in 10.2 I’m inclined to believe they will probably get new races soon. Can’t see us getting new races for all 3 though.

I’m pretty convinced we will fight Tyr eventually and would love to see some evil Paladins lol

[KayRule]

Why are people so obsessed with Tyr being secretly le evil?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I guess im in the minority here that doesn't want to fight evil tyr.

Would prefer to have him on our side, doing badass shit, he's much more interesting than vyranoth that i would happily ditch if the game wasn't linear.

[pacotaco]

It's implied that Elisande was manipulated to ally with the legion by Gul'dan or someone else from the Legion. It's also implied that there are limitations to her time magic that she isn't aware of.



Maybe this counts as Odyn does something stupid. But the majority of the storm dragons allies with us in 10.2 after we set them free. They seem to feel quite comfortable in a storm and are also present on elunaria for some reason.

I'm not 100% sure that the dragons in Elunaria are Storm Dragons, just Blizzard reusing the model to cut costs.

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DHs there's two customisation things they could do, but they absolutely need to do the 4 demon form models for each, given they haven't just been lazy with druid or shamans. I don't think we'd get full on skin choices like NElves and BElves have, but horns, blindfolds, and a unique demon form based on spec and gender seems likely

Mind I do suspect shamans will be the first to show up, simply because totems are simpler than other things.



Elune's a bi icon given that time she shacked up with Malorne. She's probably had a fling with an Old God at some point and cut it off once they started being all corrupty and weird

DH have several complications:
- The starting scenario only makes sense for races already aligned with the Illidari forces. We could make some stretching and add Chaos Orcs and Manari. But if they want to expand it to all races, they need to change the intro.
- The special customization looks really easy to reuse, they just need a bit of adjusting. Skin texture is also fairly simple (2 extra skins per race).
- The most difficult task is the 2 demon forms.

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If not these options, then I'd vote for a random Tiamat out of nowhere, kinda like Argus the Unmaker came out of nowhere in Legion. Most expansions have had a pretty sufficiently "epic" final boss, and Fyrakk is cool but he isn't really that.

In the likes of "This is the first dragon, all of them come from her. The Titans didn't like her and sealed her away"?

[Lady Atia]

We have an AOTC mount, we have the "buy past PvP sets".

This is almost certainly the last raid.

Wait, we can buy past pvp sets already with 10.2??

[Chickat]

That is how most of us were of Orc-centric storylines. And then fucking WoD was revealed.

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Night Elves would agree.

Bring more Worgen vibes. That is the cool shit. If there was one thing i didn't mind in BfA was the zombies vs werewolf stuff. Especially when it all happened in the witch zone or the ilithid zone. Or the blood troll zone.
Bring the dark gothic shit.

Its time we get spooky tower/castle. Kara 2.0. Maybe Worgen themed.

[Nymrohd]

Its time we get spooky tower/castle. Kara 2.0. Maybe Worgen themed.

We got a Vampire Castle a couple of years ago.

[Lady Atia]

Its time we get spooky tower/castle. Kara 2.0. Maybe Worgen themed.

Tbh I would rather have a Scarlet Crusade raid after all this years. We already got the spooky castle with Nathria.

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Also imagine class sets inspired by the Scarlets/Lordaeron.

[Zers Editor]

- Tyr becoming an enemy. In 10.2 he would side with us, but after that it seems clear that he would not like the "new" Aspects. I also think that Paladins will flock to his aid. Could we see the return of Salandria? She is supposed to do some bad shit after all, maybe guided by Tyr?

Even if we are to fight him (and even then, it will most likely end with him conceding to us/the Aspects, like with many other Keepers that we've fought), I think the motivation will not be "you no follow Order, bad Aspects" (the only ones so far doing things against Order are Nozdormu and Alexstrasza), but because the dragons acclimate to whatever environment/element/power they are exposed to, and thus extremely prone to being corrupted. That was established during the Expedition quest line, he knows this. That has to be the reason why the Order-infused waters exist and why Danuser says "you don't have to consider it a sinister thing".

Koranos' line after 10.1 memory scene about the corruption of the Aspects being Tyr's "greatest fear" definitely has a purpose. Tyr knows how dangerous for the planet the corrupted dragons are (Galakrond), so he will try to stop the Aspects (specifically, Alexstrasza) from "going the same way".

[Dracullus]

DH have several complications:
- The starting scenario only makes sense for races already aligned with the Illidari forces. We could make some stretching and add Chaos Orcs and Manari. But if they want to expand it to all races, they need to change the intro.
- The special customization looks really easy to reuse, they just need a bit of adjusting. Skin texture is also fairly simple (2 extra skins per race).
- The most difficult task is the 2 demon forms.

You are inventing problems that aren't here.

1) New DHs will likely have same starter thing as new DKs.
2) They can just make few generic forms. Imo reception of community will good if it will be another customization thing like Druid forms and Warlock pets.

All this require just some work like everything. Imo Blizzard could do all classes in single patch, but 1) it's low priority; 2) every class is potential hype feature to sell patch.

Of course it will be weird to see Tauren DHs running around. I would prefer to have races with distinct culture and only classes that fits. Personally I pick only race-class combos that make sense to me. But it's not like this ship sailed long ago, it was simply never there - we literally have Warrior Gnomes who tank since day 1.

[Holdodlig]

Wait, we can buy past pvp sets already with 10.2??

Not the elite set, but you'll be able to buy some DF sets. I think it's the bloody tokens one ?

[pacotaco]

You are inventing problems that aren't here.

1) New DHs will likely have same starter thing as new DKs.
2) They can just make few generic forms. Imo reception of community will good if it will be another customization thing like Druid forms and Warlock pets.

All this require just some work like everything. Imo Blizzard could do all classes in single patch, but 1) it's low priority; 2) every class is potential hype feature to sell patch.

Of course it will be weird to see Tauren DHs running around. I would prefer to have races with distinct culture and only classes that fits. Personally I pick only race-class combos that make sense to me. But it's not like this ship sailed long ago, it was simply never there - we literally have Warrior Gnomes who tank since day 1.

You say I'm inventing problems, then you proceed to give some solutions to them as if they actually exists.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Woggmer]

Why are people so obsessed with Tyr being secretly le evil?

Lot of it is based on the laboratory the Dragonscale Expedition found, where he was "experimenting the effects of elemental energy on dragons" and constructing Tyrhold which was dunking dragon eggs into Order juice... resulting in their freedom getting taken away and how the Incarnates became a thing.

But mostly, Blizzard is running out of potential bad guys to pull out of their hats that eventually we'd have to fight the Titans themselves because... we're bored and we need to kill something big and powerful that's been established.

Something something something "Titans all care about Order", something something something something They don't care about mortals.

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Tbh I would rather have a Scarlet Crusade raid after all this years. We already got the spooky castle with Nathria.

Same. I would love a Scarlet Raid.....

Though, I'm not seeing much hope in that, all I can see is maybe a dungeon... They'll probably say something like "Well it wouldn't be an interesting raid if all the enemies were just humans.. gotta have some varied bosses" or something like that.

[Wangming]

We got a Vampire Castle a couple of years ago.

We got a whole ass vampire zone. And it was the best part of the whole arse expansion. And the final boss is still alive.

[Fahrad Wagner]

We got a Vampire Castle a couple of years ago.

I wish we had Holidays specific dungeons, a Worgen/Forsaken haunted Mansion for Hallow's End would be amazing!

We got a whole ass vampire zone. And it was the best part of the whole arse expansion. And the final boss is still alive.

The aesthetic of that zone was fantastic indeed!

[Wangming]

Same. I would love a Scarlet Raid.....

Though, I'm not seeing much hope in that, all I can see is maybe a dungeon... They'll probably say something like "Well it wouldn't be an interesting raid if all the enemies were just humans.. gotta have some varied bosses" or something like that.

They can always pull the "secret Dreadlord" card. But yes we will probably cheated out of it. Same way Ny'alotha became a patch and Dark Rangers became an unlockable customization option.

*sigh*

[Lady Atia]

Lot of it is based on the laboratory the Dragonscale Expedition found, where he was "experimenting the effects of elemental energy on dragons" and constructing Tyrhold which was dunking dragon eggs into Order juice... resulting in their freedom getting taken away and how the Incarnates became a thing.

But mostly, Blizzard is running out of potential bad guys to pull out of their hats that eventually we'd have to fight the Titans themselves because... we're bored and we need to kill something big and powerful that's been established.

Something something something "Titans all care about Order", something something something something They don't care about mortals.

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Same. I would love a Scarlet Raid.....

Though, I'm not seeing much hope in that, all I can see is maybe a dungeon... They'll probably say something like "Well it wouldn't be an interesting raid if all the enemies were just humans.. gotta have some varied bosses" or something like that.

Tbf, they have the "titans are evil" expansion already set up quite well. Eonar and prolly Amitus will be on our side though, to give us "shades of grey" instead of all-out evil titans.