The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Myrrh]

How many expansions do you guys think it will take before we come across the First Ones? We still don't know how many there are or who they are. They will probably drip feed that information to us.

Not any time soon. Though, if 11.0 does involve Azeroth's world soul as some have speculated the Harbinger's goal does, then we'll likely be up for more lore reveals on them. They've made it clear Azeroth is more than just a titan seed, for better or worse.

[Dragon ANX]

@Marlamin , Have you seen anything in the files that could directly or indirectly indicate that the next expansion would be larger than what is typically expected?
For example, a file loading system that would not be necessary at this time or similar indications.
I'm just curious, because i think that even if 11.0 is not a world revamp i feel like Blizz will go big this time.

[Chickat]

Ohhh I getcha lmao.

Yeah no worries man. Wasn't against you or anything

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So you want something like the Drust or so but bigger? Cause that was one of the plots of SL before they seemingly dropped it for no reason.

Yeah I was looking forward to spooky Death Forrest zone/raid before we found out it wasn't coming =/ Drustvar is one of the best zones made since Dusk-wood for that vibe. Revendreth was okay, but a little too Disney imo.

[Gigantique]

most people underestimate wow 2, which could bring a breath of fresh air that's definitely needed

and don't even get me started on the "yeah, but no, because people will never want to lose their entire collection"! personally, i don't give a shit about losing everything if it's just to get back on the right foot and experience a new adventure.

however, i don't think Blizzard would take that risk, it's a AAA with no ambition

Nah man not having access to my vast collection of transmog to make my characters look like their "lore correct" selves and mounts to match would kill any need to play.

Hell it's why I don't really did Classic other than lvling to 60 once and then 70 once in TBC for the nostalgia. Being forced to look like a clown is a dealbreaker now lmao

[Revamp Man]

Besides, if Aman'Thul was ahead of every other Force, Zovaal wouldn't have been as close to victory as he was.

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Like, Zovaal was a VERY close call.

Zovaal was destined to lose because the first ones foresaw his treachery

Like I'm not even talking shit this is the plot of SL we are the chosen ones and that's why we can travel to the maw

Not our ties to Azeroth
Not the fact we killed a death titan
Nope just mysterious ways

[Chickat]

Renown should (and must) be account wide in 11.0+

Agree, but there should be rewards you can earn after reaching max renown. Tangible rewards. Each 10k rep you get a Paragon Renown level and get a bag. Each Faction has 2-3 mounts that are semi rare. 10% chance per bag or something. Half a dozen pets, some toys, and like 10k gold. Make it worthwhile to keep farming the reps on alts.

[flan1337]

They actually explained that whole thing in the Danuser interview from Nobbel.

Basically, it's not so much that we're the chosen ones, it's more so that the Progenitors put those relics and whatnot in place for mortals to use if the Universe ever hit that type of eventuality. As for the Maw Walker stuff? That's just an eventuality Death guys see as a "prophecy". It's akin to IRL prophecies and whatnot. A lot of it is BS, a lot of it isn't, etc.

As for why we in particular are the ones to activate said relics? Idk, I think Azeroth was given a special Progenitor gift tbh.

Shadowlands was such as fail and honestly if they only did a xpack around Revendreth only and make it that dreadlords are actually invading it would probably be a lot more epic. The only part I liked of shadowlands was Revendreth

[Jaggler]

I liked the deathly origins of the Dreadlords tbh. Honestly fit them better imo, especially since they didn't fit with Disorder at all. They were way too cunning for such an chaotic power, ya know?

Besides, the Dreadlords having a more vampiric nature to them beyond just mere design? Fuck yeah!

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Besides, them scheming across the Cosmos fits with the old lore perfectly.

also their strong connection with necromantic magic, which is not something that is typically very "fel". The Dradlords being beings of Death is actually one of the good developments of SL.

[Gigantique]

I think that their plan is keep developing WoW without major changes, because let us face it, they cannot turn a 20 years old game upside down. They would piss off their loyal playerbase and it is highly unlikely that they would get a new and younger playerbase, no matter how good the resulting product was.

What I hope that they do (while keeping WoW alive until its inevitable death), is make a new Warcraft game. Warcraft IV would be welcomed, but it is not what the franchise needs. Warcraft needs a new massive project for younger audiences. It is a very old franchise. It needs to reach a new public.

IMO, the best that they can do, as I have said multiple times before, is an online singleplayer action RPG experience with multiplayer elements. Again, Genshin Impact is the perfect example. It does not have to be exactly that, but something similar. They do not even need to have a massive world to start (Genshin started small and now it is massive). The world is already there, the lore too, the characters too, they can tell a different story within WoW's current timeline or move to a different period of history.

Let us create our own character and see Azeroth in a new, amazing, more detailed and narrative way, with current generation graphics and combat.

Honestly the thought of playing through Arthas' story but as a single player RPG ala God of War style is cool enough I wouldn't care that I already "know" the story.

[flan1337]

Honestly the thought of playing through Arthas' story but as a single player RPG ala God of War style is cool enough I wouldn't care that I already "know" the story.

I think Blizzard should go back to their roots and make a single player game again. When was the last time they even had a game with a single player campaign? Starcraft/Diablo 3?

[Nymrohd]

Shadowlands was such as fail and honestly if they only did a xpack around Revendreth only and make it that dreadlords are actually invading it would probably be a lot more epic. The only part I liked of shadowlands was Revendreth

Revendreth's visuals could have been a Nathreza zone

[Chickat]

Turns out this was spot on, @Ghostopheles who is very cool and infallable just found it in the web API. The encrypted character title is indeed "%s the Storm Rider".

Cool, but I think I would prefer Stormrider XXXXXXX instead over what we are getting. XXXXXX The Stormrider.

[Darkarath]

I think Blizzard should go back to their roots and make a single player game again. When was the last time they even had a game with a single player campaign? Starcraft/Diablo 3?

Starcraft and Diablo 3 were mainly focused on the multiplayer aspect, especially Diablo 3, which was an online game only.

Blizzard does not do singleplayer games. I would love them to do them, in any of their franchises, it would be absolutely awesome. But it will not happen. That is why we just can aspire to a singleplayer online game with multiplayer elements (Diablo 4, probably the new survival game). That is the way to go.

Warcraft as a franchise has such an immense potential. They should start to make more games about it.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Agree, but there should be rewards you can earn after reaching max renown. Tangible rewards. Each 10k rep you get a Paragon Renown level and get a bag. Each Faction has 2-3 mounts that are semi rare. 10% chance per bag or something. Half a dozen pets, some toys, and like 10k gold. Make it worthwhile to keep farming the reps on alts.

oh hell naw about mounts and paragon boxes - My most hated thing from Legion are paragon boxes farm that had cool mounts, i still remember this very tedious grind to valarjar for months of gametime to finally get it, it wasn't a happy moment because i got it, but because this awful grind ended.

im honestly okay how it is in DF, but they just need renown account wide.

[Chickat]

oh hell naw about mounts and paragon boxes - My most hated thing from Legion are paragon boxes farm that had cool mounts, i still remember this very tedious grind to valarjar for months of gametime to finally get it, it wasn't a happy moment because i got it, but because this awful grind ended.

im honestly okay how it is in DF, but they just need renown account wide.

Account Wide renown effectively kills all content a few days into any new content. There has to be a reason to still earn rep or the game will be very stale and content lite like WoD. Paragon boxes are that way. And with alts you would earn them much faster.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Account Wide renown effectively kills all content a few days into any new content. There has to be a reason to still earn rep or the game will be very stale and content lite like WoD. Paragon boxes are that way. And with alts you would earn them much faster.

I dunno, in my opinion account wide renown wouldn't kill all content that dies anyway even without it being account wide, why? Because new content gets forgotten each patch and people get bored of it because how it's done.

Renown should just be one done thing for all chars, there should be other type of content that will get people occupied than RNG 10k rep paragon boxes.

I think better gold would be a better reward than adding mounts, pets to these rng heavy boxes.

[Merryck]

I liked the deathly origins of the Dreadlords tbh. Honestly fit them better imo, especially since they didn't fit with Disorder at all. They were way too cunning for such an chaotic power, ya know?

Besides, the Dreadlords having a more vampiric nature to them beyond just mere design? Fuck yeah!

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Besides, them scheming across the Cosmos fits with the old lore perfectly.

They sow chaos, convince cities to burn to the ground, so they're perfect for the disorder faction.

[Ticj]

Account Wide renown effectively kills all content a few days into any new content. There has to be a reason to still earn rep or the game will be very stale and content lite like WoD. Paragon boxes are that way. And with alts you would earn them much faster.

Or maybe just don't tie mounts to RNG drops that you can only roll once every couple weeks on a character? That's not good gameplay and it's very obviously a carrot on a stick tactic. They could just as easily go back to the old method of using currency to buy mounts. That way players at least know when the insufferable grind is over.

[Woggmer]

I think Blizzard should go back to their roots and make a single player game again. When was the last time they even had a game with a single player campaign? Starcraft/Diablo 3?

I would say they could, but after Warcraft 3 Reforge... that's no longer possible.

Not unless their sister company Blizzard Albany (aka formerly known as Vicarious Visions) decides to be the ones in charge of their single player games. The main Irvine branch though? Should just stick to multiplayer... but that's not for this kind of discussion should just be saved for its own thread.

[Pheraz]

No, character title as per the context, hence the "%s the Storm Rider" e.g. "Marlamin the Storm Rider".

As a software engineer I love how you try to give this thread a little dev flavour xD

So, could it still be for a prepatch event? Like burning of teldrassil? "Crossing of the storm" or something?