The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Yunravel]

The issue with this is that being all of that instantly means nothing when you’re then going right back to “kill x kobolds, collect x items”

I don’t think we’ve ever seen Thrall or Malfurion do such menial tasks.

I mean not every quests needs to be canon, because on the other hand, when you are " a random, killing x kobolds ", it doesn't make sense when suddenly you go toe to toe with Dar'khan Drathir and beat the shit out of him.

Then you can say "well but this quest, or this final dungeon boss, isn't canon, you weren't the one killing him." (The same way you can do that with thoses puny quests).

In the end it just depends of how you want to see your character, Vanilla was in a sense better on that end that since you weren't truly there, you could imagine whatever the fuck you want. While currently, you are just standing in T-pose next to important characters, without emotions or barely any emotions in 30sec longs official "main story quest" cutscenes, it just bugs me out.

[Hitei]

That is completely valid as a personal preference, just don't pretend it is anything more than that. Okay?

I didn't. I pointed out that storytelling isn't good if it fails to serve the intended purpose for that story. A dramatic movie that is hilarious but not dramatic at all is a case of bad dramatic writing. A children's show that has really insightful, deep characterization but is utterly boring and unengaging to children is not a well written children's show. MMO writing that begs you to pretend you aren't in an MMO is not an example of a well written MMO.

[pacotaco]

Non pre- rendered cinematic with the player character.

I think Legion is the first time they started to add them. Certainly not in Cata (13 years ago)

[Leowyld]

MMO writing that begs you to pretend you aren't in an MMO is not an example of a well written MMO.

It is more fair to say you do not like that sort of writing in an MMO. That doesn't make it objectively bad or poorly written. For those who do like that sort of writing in an MMO, it makes for a more immersive and impactful story. Unless you are trying to say it is more than your opinion.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I remember in BFA running errands for Nathanos pretty much screaming at my character and just accepting it like some little kid without any say.. My big ass orc battlelord from Legion and other stuff that has my character conquered in the past.

It was pretty silly at the time.

[Alanar]

Exactly. It is a one button toggle that you leave on and that is it. It is bullshit. If it were like voidform where you need to build up resources for it and need to work on it to keep it up and/or have abilities unavailable in Shadowform like with Moonkin, it could be fun. But this way it is basically a passive trait that takes up a slot on your hotbar.

Oo come on, its one freaking buttom that has been there for years. Unclicking it, is a you problem.

Leave it as it is.

[Raetary]

I think Legion is the first time they started to add them. Certainly not in Cata (13 years ago)

We've had them since cata.



They just weren't any good until recently.

[Makorus]

Oo come on, its one freaking buttom that has been there for years. Unclicking it, is a you problem.

Leave it as it is.

Pros to making it cosmetic and baking the 10% into the spec:

- Extra Customization Option
- No potential to lose damage by it randomly falling off

Cons to making it cosmetic:

- It has been in the game for a long time

[Hitei]

It is more fair to say you do not like that sort of writing in an MMO. That doesn't make it objectively bad or poorly written. For those who do like that sort of writing in an MMO, it makes for a more immersive and impactful story. Unless you are trying to say it is more than your opinion.

"Some people like comedies so it's still a well written dramatic movie!"
That's not how that works.

How are you liking that sort of writing in an MMO when the writing itself requires you ignore that you're playing an MMO? You can like that writing, but that doesn't make it work in the thing it's outright denying. A chocolate cake with no chocolate in it isn't subjective and impactful just because some people don't like chocolate and prefer vanilla. It's a bad chocolate cake, full stop.

[Leowyld]

The Aggramar cutscene at the end of Legion was the first one I remember people being really excited to see their character in. But, yeah, there obviously ones before that. Even in Legion itself - the artifact weapon acquisition cutscenes come to mind.

"Some people like comedies so it's still a well written dramatic movie!"
That's not how that works.

How are you liking that sort of writing in an MMO when the writing itself requires you ignore that you're playing an MMO? You can like that writing, but that doesn't make it work in the thing it's outright denying. A chocolate cake with no chocolate in it isn't subjective and impactful just because some people don't like chocolate and prefer vanilla. It's a bad chocolate cake, full stop.

So you are insisting it is more than personal preference?

[Makorus]

"Some people like comedies so it's still a well written dramatic movie!"
That's not how that works.

How are you liking that sort of writing in an MMO when the writing itself requires you ignore that you're playing an MMO? You can like that writing, but that doesn't make it work in the thing it's outright denying. A chocolate cake with no chocolate in it isn't subjective and impactful just because some people don't like chocolate and prefer vanilla. It's a bad chocolate cake, full stop.

"MMO Game" is not a genre like drama or comedy. It's like saying "animated movie writing".

Like, once again: What is the "MMO game writing"?

Like, in proper words, and not just vague "Oh, well, you can't feel like you are alone!"

[Hitei]

"MMO Game" is not a genre like drama or comedy. It's like saying "animated movie writing".

Like, once again: What is the "MMO game writing"?

Like, in proper words, and not just vague "Oh, well, you can't feel like you are alone!"

I literally detailed it in the first post responding to your question. Don't just not read shit and then pretend things haven't been explained to you. There was nothing vague in that response.

MMOs have multiple concurrent players you are constantly interacting with. That is the single most fundamental, objective and uncontestable feature of an MMO game. It has other players. Writing that denies the existence of other players to make any sense at all and pretend that you are largely singular is poor writing, it fails to account for what it is being written as, to the point of detraction, just like a really stylish safety vest that is solid black with absolutely no reflective or bright parts to it is a shittily designed safety vest.

So you are insisting it is more than personal preference?

I guess if you consider "chocolate cakes should be chocolate" to be """personal preference""" sure. Whatever.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

MMOs have multiple concurrent players you are constantly interacting with.

I mean this doesn't really matter, there will be always a main character that is you, no matter if writing specifically says this or not.

Tyr questline in Df - you're the one rebuilding him or other players in the story? Who will be associated with this event when this happen? You or other players?

[Wangming]

I literally detailed it in the first post responding to your question. Don't just not read shit and then pretend things haven't been explained to you. There was nothing vague in that response.

MMOs have multiple concurrent players you are constantly interacting with. That is the single most fundamental, objective and uncontestable feature of an MMO game. It has other players. Writing that denies the existence of other players to make any sense at all and pretend that you are largely singular is poor writing, it fails to account for what it is being written as, to the point of detraction, just like a really stylish safety vest that is solid black with absolutely no reflective or bright parts to it is a shittily designed safety vest.



I guess if you consider "chocolate cakes should be chocolate" to be """personal preference""" sure. Whatever.

It also doesn't make sense for spirit healers to bring you back to life without so much as a scar, but none of the NPCs. Gameplay will always come with caveats like this. But you also conveniently forget the second part of the MMORPG acronym. It is a Role playing game. You quite literally play a role. If the only role you can play is a literal nobody that tags along with more important people, it is not a very good RPG.

[ChairmanKaga]

Ahh this thread is back to being miserable again.

[milkmustache]

Let's steady the course here.

If the Aspects manage to get their Aspect powers returned to them, how often do we think they will be involved in further storylines?

[Ersula]

I mean, yeah thats the point, the healthy medium between the two sounds like the best of both worlds.

Or, in a more lazy way, we could just go back to vanilla type of story telling because I'd rather be non-existant and follow the story through books and patch cutscenes than being the side character of a side character NPCs like you said so well.

Who among us experimented with FFXIV during covid? It was like a real life gothic horror novella, playing through 400 mandatory story quests, waiting for this "way better than wow" story to begin & it never would. Just lots of french catboys.

Non pre- rendered cinematic with the player character.

Yeah, but as I said, none have been as complicated at the one from the heritage armor quest. Most of them are just panning camera over a character maybe doing a general emote.

[ChairmanKaga]

Let's steady the course here.

If the Aspects manage to get their Aspect powers returned to them, how often do we think they will be involved in further storylines?

I could see them being a protagonist bridge into the next expac after that no idea.

[Auxis]

I think Legion is the first time they started to add them. Certainly not in Cata (13 years ago)

I think they might be right. Didnt Thrall's wedding have one of those cutscenes?

Edit: nvm the wedding didnt have a cutscene.

[Leowyld]

Who among us experimented with FFXIV during covid? It was like a real life gothic horror novella, playing through 400 mandatory story quests, waiting for this "way better than wow" story to begin & it never would. Just lots of french catboys.

It may not be for everyone. But I think FFXIV's storytelling is amazing. And I know I am not alone in that. Yes, it's much more about the journey and the experience than reaching endgame quickly. But there is a place for that in the MMO landscape, I think. You don't complain about all the pages you have to read through to reach the end of a fantasy novel. They are part of the story itself.