The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

How does it randomly fall off?

We still have a very undersused glyph system, which is already in place and works, nothing is stopping them to add more options there. Altho shadowform could also be a barber thing, with a dropdown menu. Older shadowforms or perhaps new ones could be options.

I dont see how, how making it passive will increase our changes at getting more options tho. I also like to opt in and out when I feel like it, would this also be lost?

It's more customization because you can decide whether you wanna play Shadow Priest in your Shadow Form, or with your normal form.

Transmogging as a Shadow Priest is a pain in the ass.

[Ersula]

I think people who are here and believe this are clearly failing reading comprehension. People who occasionally watch some WoW youtuber though probably think it is likely.

I do think the old world revamp is either planned for 11.0 or 12.0. It's entirely possible The Algarian part of a gryphon rider has nothing to do with the actual locations of the expansion, just that there will be many gryphons in a perspective warcraft world revamp. It is a very iconic alliance animal. But what throws me is the frequent namedropping of entirely new locations in dragonflight. That makes me think 11.0 will just be a new continent.

It's more customization because you can decide whether you wanna play Shadow Priest in your Shadow Form, or with your normal form.

Transmogging as a Shadow Priest is a pain in the ass.

I'd rather they just give us back holy abilities that would give us a reason to leave Shadowform.

[ChairmanKaga]

How does it randomly fall off?

I too have no idea how it supposedly randomly falls off.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Revamp is perfect to announce as something that can happen later on when they've announced Annual Expansions, Battle Passes for WoW to keep players continual engagement.

That is if this Blizzcon is a nightmarish hellscape. (I be surprised though if that is the end scenario the PR & Marketing Team chose for this, but I can't shake off the vibe check right now. But at the same time, I just can't believe that they want to do this.)

[Ersula]

Revamp is perfect to announce as something that can happen later on when they've announced Annual Expansions, Battle Passes for WoW to keep players continual engagement.

First of all, eww. Second of all, that's what the Trading post is. You get currency for paying for the subscription & you get more currency for doing an assortment of tasks. The thing about "shorter" expansions is they're less inclined to do something big, like a world revamp, for the game.

[Santandame]

What are some abandoned systems you wouldn't mind returning??

Someone mentioned torghast which was 100% an amazing system in terms of potential

Personally I think artifact weapons without the player power attached would be BiS

Challenge mode dungeon rewards for m+

And definitely warfronts though terribly implemented remains one of my favorite BfA additions

Artifacts exactly as they were in Legion.

Torghast and Warfronts both with their core philosophy and design attached but with changes to make them more diverse in terms of aesthetics and appealing rewards wise(torghast) and designed around smaller groups with mini games included instead of just swarming mobs(warfronts).

Return of the mage tower with new challenges.

Islands based around exploration, riddles, adventure, mini games, puzzles.

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So...you want Diremaul, but with Ogre architecture and a Human touch to it.

Dire Maul is a night elf ruin in a rainforest that has ogres, demons and lots of plants.

Nothing the guy you’ve quoted said is anything similar to Dire Maul apart from the mention of ogres. He told you what he wants.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think if world revamp someday happen, then adding racial campaigns would be a really good fit to go with it - each race dealing with new stuff in their respected zones and eventually just like order halls, joining each other to defeat the baddies.

It would be really cool to have a lot of new race specific cosmetics that you would unlock after doing some objectives, some hidden armor set like legion had a hidden artifact apperance etc.


The cinematic for that expansion could be very similar to the cinematic of vanilla, showing each races in different shot and such.

[Alanar]

It's more customization because you can decide whether you wanna play Shadow Priest in your Shadow Form, or with your normal form.

Transmogging as a Shadow Priest is a pain in the ass.

I am still confused why making it passive would suddenly give it more options, that could simply be achieved with glyphs or an alternative barber shop option. What you actually achieve, is less freedom. I don't find that, but with the recent change to shadowform glyph makes you see your character a lot more. This will help in the meantime.

I am all for more options, but this isn't really it. I like my shadowform and having the option to turn it off/on when I please.

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I too have no idea how it supposedly randomly falls off.

First time hearing it as well.

I play shadow myself and I don't have this issue.

[Santandame]

No?

Diremaul was mostly demons, Satyr (but still heavily legion) and it never really touches on Fae. Even withthe Ancient and Treants. Even without those, if you go with feel, it's a much more Mage/Scholarly feel. You have the hidden library of knowledge, you have the feel of an ancient city that has crumbled into disrepair.

But ultimately, it's not really close to anything I put down?

He more often than not grossly misunderstands what people post so don’t worry about it too much.

I would like your idea for Avaloren. I’m personally championing for classic fantasy, Arthurian inspired with some Toussaint from Witcher 3 but I’d also like your idea.

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I mean, Torghast was pretty spooky.

Torghast was in the Maw, not Revendreth.

[Nibelheimy]

I think if world revamp someday happen, then adding racial campaigns would be a really good fit to go with it - each race dealing with new stuff in their respected zones and eventually just like order halls, joining each other to defeat the baddies.

It would be really cool to have a lot of new race specific cosmetics that you would unlock after doing some objectives, some hidden armor set like legion had a hidden artifact apperance etc.


The cinematic for that expansion could be very similar to the cinematic of vanilla, showing each races in different shot and such.

I've discussed this before and 'race order halls' would be fantastic.

[TeamWorldRevamp]

I think it will be pretty wild to see comments if it won't happen in 11.0.

I'm going to be very toxic i fear.

[Catastrophy349]

I love reading through these comments!

[Nerdslime]

Artifacts exactly as they were in Legion.

Torghast and Warfronts both with their core philosophy and design attached but with changes to make them more diverse in terms of aesthetics and appealing rewards wise(torghast) and designed around smaller groups with mini games included instead of just swarming mobs(warfronts).

Return of the mage tower with new challenges.

Islands based around exploration, riddles, adventure, mini games, puzzles.

Yes! This is a list I feel very strongly about. What a huge swath of missed opportunities. So many interesting gameplay features that could be fun and central to many expansions when reskinned with each new threat/area/etc. It has always disappointed me that Blizzard chose to abandon each and every one of these ideas instead of iterating on them until we had really awesome, polished, beloved game features that could be part of tons of future expansions. Maybe not every xpac needs (improved) Warfronts, but surely some do. Maybe not every xpac needs its own Torghast, but surely a lot could use it.

Had these been pursued, Blizzard wouldn't have to struggle so hard to find enjoyable, thematically-appropriate options for gameplay features every xpac. If they had iterated and polished these interesting, existing features they could just pick them out of the lineup each expansion/patch and watch players get excited for a new variant or whatever.

I feel like Blizzard have gotten the gear treadmills pretty close to correct as far as gameplay pillars go with M+ and Raiding and they finally seem to be embracing player customization. It'd be really nice to get a sort of casual, slower-burn, scalable content figured out and I feel like the "abandoned" features like Torghast and Islands and Warfronts provide the building blocks for that if they can just stick with it. Imagine if we were on Islands 3.0 or Warfronts 3.0 by now, with randomized modifiers and bonuses and variable party size/scaling difficulty? Really hard not to be frustrated or disappointed by the (so far) missed opportunity here.

[ZyntosAran]

Yes! This is a list I feel very strongly about. What a huge swath of missed opportunities. So many interesting gameplay features that could be fun and central to many expansions when reskinned with each new threat/area/etc. It has always disappointed me that Blizzard chose to abandon each and every one of these ideas instead of iterating on them until we had really awesome, polished, beloved game features that could be part of tons of future expansions. Maybe not every xpac needs (improved) Warfronts, but surely some do. Maybe not every xpac needs its own Torghast, but surely a lot could use it.

Had these been pursued, Blizzard wouldn't have to struggle so hard to find enjoyable, thematically-appropriate options for gameplay features every xpac. If they had iterated and polished these interesting, existing features they could just pick them out of the lineup each expansion/patch and watch players get excited for a new variant or whatever.

I feel like Blizzard have gotten the gear treadmills pretty close to correct as far as gameplay pillars go with M+ and Raiding and they finally seem to be embracing player customization. It'd be really nice to get a sort of casual, slower-burn, scalable content figured out and I feel like the "abandoned" features like Torghast and Islands and Warfronts provide the building blocks for that if they can just stick with it. Imagine if we were on Islands 3.0 or Warfronts 3.0 by now, with randomized modifiers and bonuses and variable party size/scaling difficulty? Really hard not to be frustrated or disappointed by the (so far) missed opportunity here.

Artifacts now with Talent trees could work like a really good evergreen system.

Just put the traits of the artifact into the next expansions talent tree expansion and get a new artifact.

[Shadochi]

I mean, that's reading a lot into that, just saying the zones are way more polished when they go into public testing compared to before Shadowlands.

So what you are saying is beta starts right after blizzcon we are getting beta, and expac zones with revamps are releasing in January /s

[Raetary]

The problem with racial campaigns is that that's essentially the niche that heritage quests are filling.

And wow has 24 seperate playable races.
While you can group up corresponding core races/ARs together, quite a few of them would lose their spotlight in favor of the other.

E.g, Zandalari and Trolls would be grouped, but lets not pretend that the Darkspear would get the most focus in that scenario.
Or how the Dranei and Velen would overshadow anything to do with the LFd, etc.

I've discussed this before and 'race order halls' would be fantastic.

You mean... capital cities?

[Shadochi]

One thing I would like to see with a revamp of EK and Kali is to add all the islands from island expeditions, and perhaps Exiles reach imported into the maps of current Azeroth zones just somewhere off shore (kinda like the distance between thaldraszus mainland), about a minute of dynamic flight away from the shore

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The problem with racial campaigns is that that's essentially the niche that heritage quests are filling.

While yes, still for some races they were quite underwhelming compared to other when regarding racial questlines. And for pretty much all races there is more that can be built in into a full campaign of at least 3-4 chapters

[ZyntosAran]

One thing I would like to see with a revamp of EK and Kali is to add all the islands from island expeditions, and perhaps Exiles reach imported into the maps of current Azeroth zones just somewhere off shore (kinda like the distance between thaldraszus mainland), about a minute of dynamic flight away from the shore

I kinda want all continents to be reachable without a loading screen, though they will obviously not do that with a EK and Kali revamp. Imagine you can fly from the Dragon Isles to EK without loading.

[Shadochi]

And for some stuff like Allied races there has been barely any story since they joined in (and pandas as well)

[pacotaco]

So, other than new continent/old world revamp, what features want and what do you expect?

Do you think we would get a new class so soon? I think it would be possible:
- The time spent on borrowed power is no free to use on classes (we've seen it in this expansion, with them revamping specs without having to wait to the next one)
- The addition of the evoker support spec makes me think they have more in mind. It's a bit weird to add just one new role and leave it there.

New races are also a possibility. I think we only got 1 because they didn't want to move the focus from the Evoker, and also they needed a specific rig for it. So they made that, and the visage form as a bonus.