The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Paula Deen]

Sure but there was no reason to think there was an "other side of Azeroth until we see the actual globe in Legion." I have to wonder what actual in-universe astrologers thought, because those globes in Titan-facilities that put EK & Kalimdor on opposite sides of the planet would have made no sense scientifically.

"Hey Thorim, the day-night cycle doesn't match up with your globes, man."

I have to say I agree. I am going to be really disappointed if the new areas we get are not on already accessible maps. Either revamp or underground. One of the two. If we get ANOTHER new continent and this was one was somehow obscured from even the titans...I am going to be disappointed. The Dragon Isles being 'hidden, even from us" was one step too far; In a Post-Pandaria world one hidden continent was enough. The story already disrespects the average players intelligence too much to buy the same concept repeated again and again....although with AP Grinds it took 3 tries before they stopped so maybe this will be the third time where Blizzard learns to fucking stop doing the same thing over & over.

[Ebonn]

I have to say I agree. I am going to be really disappointed if the new areas we get are not on already accessible maps. Either revamp or underground. One of the two. If we get ANOTHER new continent and this was one was somehow obscured from even the titans...I am going to be disappointed. The Dragon Isles being 'hidden, even from us" was one step too far; In a Post-Pandaria world one hidden continent was enough. The story already disrespects the average players intelligence too much to buy the same concept repeated again and again....although with AP Grinds it took 3 tries before they stopped so maybe this will be the third time where Blizzard learns to fucking stop doing the same thing over & over.

To me, this is just a sentiment of players who are already done with WoW. I mean honesty what do you expect them to do, keep rehashing old places and conflicts? I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but it just seems like common sense to me - you need new content to keep a game going. It’s not really an insult to anyone’s intelligence to add more continents. And there’s magic in this world and limited transport, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense lol.

I fully expect and hope for more new undiscovered continents. A core piece of this game lies in exploration, and new places to explore fulfills a big part of that fantasy for many players.

If you don’t want new settings, then do you really just want them to keep updating places we’ve already been to and battled through dozens of times? I can’t imagine anything killing the game’s player base more quickly. I get that revamp is a hot button right now, but a revamp can only be so much, and would still leave a lot to be desired afterward.

Edit for clarity: I ALSO want a revamp. There are places I miss, and would love to see redone, and stories that I would love to see follow ups on also. I just can’t imagine that any of it would be enough to satiate anyone for very long, and personally I would hope for new content also to explore.

[Paula Deen]

To me, this is just a sentiment of players who are already done with WoW. I mean honesty what do you expect them to do, keep rehashing old places and conflicts? I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but it just seems like common sense to me - you need new content to keep a game going. It’s not really an insult to anyone’s intelligence to add more continents. And there’s magic in this world and limited transport, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense lol.

Quality over Quantity. BFA proved that. Having new areas for the sake of content when dozens of zones on atleast 3 continents are full of outdated and sometimes buggy content demonstrate a lack of quality and polish from a company that used to be known for it. The addition of content isn't the insult either, its the method of dispensing. If the developer(s) are so mind numbingly lazy that they cannot even begin to create a unique spin on a continent then it isn't worth it. We have had shrouds over 2 continents and one major zone (Suramar) since 2004. Maybe we try a different method? Nazjatar literally rose from the sea. That makes sense. Was cool. Wasn't shrouded in mist/darkness. The Shadowlands, although arguably a pretty shit expac, were accessed via a break between realities. Thats unique.

I don't think its pessimistic or negative to suggest that its lazy to just say "Hey this continent that even actual GODS that literally shaped our planet did not know about suddenly appeared via Mists/Darkness/Storm/Magical Elf Shield."

Warcraft thrives with unique concepts and polish. It stagnates with rehashed plots and bugs.

[Ebonn]

Quality over Quantity. BFA proved that. Having new areas for the sake of content when dozens of zones on atleast 3 continents are full of outdated and sometimes buggy content demonstrate a lack of quality and polish from a company that used to be known for it. The addition of content isn't the insult either, its the method of dispensing. If the developer(s) are so mind numbingly lazy that they cannot even begin to create a unique spin on a continent then it isn't worth it. We have had shrouds over 2 continents and one major zone (Suramar) since 2004. Maybe we try a different method? Nazjatar literally rose from the sea. That makes sense. Was cool. Wasn't shrouded in mist/darkness. The Shadowlands, although arguably a pretty shit expac, were accessed via a break between realities. Thats unique.

I don't think its pessimistic or negative to suggest that its lazy to just say "Hey this continent that even actual GODS that literally shaped our planet did not know about suddenly appeared via Mists/Darkness/Storm/Magical Elf Shield."

Warcraft thrives with unique concepts and polish. It stagnates with rehashed plots and bugs.

I 100% agree with your last sentence there, I just am very confused at how you arrived there with everything else you said lol. Also you’re saying that they didn’t know about nor could they get to this new place, but that does not apply to what we are expecting will come next. If it IS a new continent, Avaloren, Khaz Algar, whatever, then the “gods” did know about it and at least two beings made it there lol.

So again I agree with your last sentence, I suppose we just have very different ideas on how we get there. Personally I think new places to discover and explore on the map makes perfect sense, fits into WoWs themes and history well, and is expected when they’ve always hinted at lands beyond since I can remember, as far back as the original Orcs vs Humans. I just genuinely do not get the concept of wanting new content but not expecting, as a human player, not a character, that some continents would have to be added with a reason they were hidden or lost or otherwise unreached until “now.”

Nazjatar made sense. Dragon Isles made sense. Pandaria made sense. Other lands being unreachable beyond an intense and magical storm filled with monsters also makes sense. I get not liking it, sure, but saying it doesn’t make sense or that it’s just bad because you want something else, that itself doesn’t make much sense to me.

Also, finally: Titans are not gods, they are just beings with typically more power than Azerothian mortals.

[KayRule]

One thing I've noticed consistently is people seem to decide characters, factions and even lore just freezes exactly at a moment they like/prefer and refuse to acknowledge any of the years of content or growth after. It's why you see insane Sylvanas psychos who in their head canon, is still behaving exactly as she did in WotLK. Every time we have any development or progress with characters you have people come out of the wood work to talk about how Blizzard is ignoring their own lore because characters are behaving differently than in their debut expansion pack 15 years ago.

[huth]

His tweets of it don't exist anymore, AFAIK, but yeah. I'm not going to include a name, because honestly I don't want people going and bugging the guy. Especially since he wasn't involved with the story. But like I said, I think it's more of an internal culture problem than a individual problem when you pair it with the constant jokes and teldrassil comments and the way the story wrapped up. I think if people aren't willing to move past a singular event, then they should likely move on from the game. They got their vision, and you can either go along with it or not.

I don't think that employee even understood the story at all. Since we learn that not only did Sylvanas not save anybody, she actually made it so more people go to superhell.

[Ersula]

I don't think that employee even understood the story at all. Since we learn that not only did Sylvanas not save anybody, she actually made it so more people go to superhell.

...In order to ultimately fix it. You can blame her for being naïve enough to believe the Jailer, but her goal was to fix something that had no other feasible solution. Once Argus was killed, everything was borked.

But regardless, the conversation is about whether the Forsaken are "allowed" to help the Night Elves. Lilian is not Sylvanas. Not to mention, alongside Lilian in the Dream is Delaryn: Saying Delaryn trying to help the night elves is "disrespectful" to night elves, is ridiculous. Of course Delaryn & the Forsaken changed at Darkshore would want to help the new world tree & they have every right to.

[Ebonn]

One thing I've noticed consistently is people seem to decide characters, factions and even lore just freezes exactly at a moment they like/prefer and refuse to acknowledge any of the years of content or growth after. It's why you see insane Sylvanas psychos who in their head canon, is still behaving exactly as she did in WotLK. Every time we have any development or progress with characters you have people come out of the wood work to talk about how Blizzard is ignoring their own lore because characters are behaving differently than in their debut expansion pack 15 years ago.

HARD agree!

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I forgot to quote, but to Huth’s last post: I disagree, I think to an average human on Azeroth, they would t know shit about what’s actually going on. All they have to hear, one single time, is that Sylvanas got sent to Hell to release the spirits of people wrongfully places there, and no amount of horrors would top the sentiment to an individual that thinks she saved their granpappy or granmammy.

[huth]

...In order to ultimately fix it. You can blame her for being naïve enough to believe the Jailer, but her goal was to fix something that had no other feasible solution. Once Argus was killed, everything was borked.

Sure, she claims she was trying to fix it. But she never actually accomplished anything towards that end, so the Goldshire peasant still has no reason to feel grateful.

[Ersula]

Sure, she claims she was trying to fix it. But she never actually accomplished anything towards that end, so the Goldshire peasant still has no reason to feel grateful.

I think they're mostly talking about her helping fight the Jailer at the Sepulcher, which she did do. Canonically it was Jaina, Bolvar, Uther & Sylvanas who beat the Jailer.

[Merryck]

When did WoW lore become so much about the struggle for self-determinism ... Seems like a narrative favourite of Danuser, Dasnoozer, Daloser

[huth]

I think they're mostly talking about her helping fight the Jailer at the Sepulcher, which she did do. Canonically it was Jaina, Bolvar, Uther & Sylvanas who beat the Jailer.

No, it was the Mawwalkers. None of those four even participated in the fight against Zovaal, they were busy holding up his reinforcements.

[Ersula]

When did WoW lore become so much about the struggle for self-determinism ... Seems like a narrative favourite of Danuser, Dasnoozer, Daloser

Wasn't that Illidan's whole thing?

No, it was the Mawwalkers. None of those four even participated in the fight against Zovaal, they were busy holding up his reinforcements.

That's still helping tho. They led the excursion. If you have someone guarding your rear flank so you don't get surrounded, that's still participating in the fight.

[Swnem]

Is there any chance 10.2.7 will already be the prepatch? That would certainly explain the absence.

Dude... were you one of the guys that made up a leak? I saw the same mistake before in one of those.
Pre-patch is always something point zero.
In this case, pre-patch for next expansion will be 11.0.X.
Pre-patch for Dragonflight was 10.0.X.

Pre-patch is the initial patch of every expansion before the content is opened up. It's never a patch of the previous expansion.

[Merryck]

I wish Illidan was back in the story ... he had raw masculine energy. Everyone is so flaccid these days. No doubt the influence of Danuser.

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Tyr has potential in this area. Refined masculinity. He can be the new pater patriae

[huth]

That's still helping tho. They led the excursion. If you have someone guarding your rear flank so you don't get surrounded, that's still participating in the fight.

They followed us. They didn't lead anything. Nor could they, as without us, they wouldn't have been able to even get there.

[Ersula]

Sylvanas and co are helping by fending off the Mawsworn whilist we battle the Jailer at the Heart of Eternity. It's quite literally a case of them being the "aid" while we do the main fight, which in earlier expacs (Namely talking about Classic (Tho Classic is not an expac lol) through Cata to even MoP) wasn't so much the case most of the time.

It was quite literally a role reversal.

We weren't talking about who got the killshot. She was part of the final battle & people know that. The point is, she participated. She didn't "do nothing" to stop the jailer. If this is the standard Thrall has never done anything for anybody.

[Polybius]

I wish Illidan was back in the story ... he had raw masculine energy. Everyone is so flaccid these days. No doubt the influence of Danuser.

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Tyr has potential in this area. Refined masculinity. He can be the new pater patriae

Felt like edgelord energy more than anything, the modern day faux troll. Sacrifices had to be made, but he couldn't even manage to explain himself since he always pushed others away and killed all their trust in him. That ultimately led to his death.

[Merryck]

Felt like edgelord energy more than anything, the modern day faux troll. Sacrifices had to be made, but he couldn't even manage to explain himself since he always pushed others away and killed all their trust in him. That ultimately led to his death.

He got better.

[maplesyrupgl]