The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think the azerite system was an absolutely snoozefest when it comes to just being something cool, going from class order halls and artifacts with many different type of content attached that you can actually see with your eyes to some necklace you can't even see.. From pure casual standpoint - it was very boring.

[Wangming]

BfA had so many features I wish they would carry forward. Island Expeditions had great content with the completely wrong gameplay attached to it. Warfronts were available sporadically, they made no effort to make their gameplay make sense and were only saved by the fact that they were gatekeeping some amazing mogs. Azerite armor was really the only thing that was indefensible trash (with Essences being an amazing system that would have worked great if it was on its own without two other borrowed power systems).
Very decent dungeons though I don't like the difficulty spike from Legion. Solid raids though some of Eternal Palace was problematic (still far better raids than SL and what we got from DF so far).

This is kinda what Bellular drew attention to in a relatively recent video. Blizzard had this "new big thing" era from WoD to SL and instead of just iterating on old systems every expansion was just a kneejerk throw the baby out with the bathwater reaction to what they perceived to be wrong with that system. Sure, mission tables stuck around, but where are better Strongholds? Where are better Artifact Weapons? Better Island Sanctuaries? SL would have been perfect for those. Pocket dimensions that show other afterlives that you go to to gather more anime cause frankly the big ones need it more than Buddhist hell designed to keep the grand total of half a dozen pandaren who weren't nice.

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I think the azerite system was an absolutely snoozefest when it comes to just being something cool, going from class order halls and artifacts with many different type of content attached that you can actually see with your eyes to some necklace you can't even see.. From pure casual standpoint - it was very boring.

Absolutely. Going from wielding the Ashbringer or Doomhammer to some dumb necklace that didn't even exist in lore before was a downgrade.

[Nymrohd]

Absolutely. Going from wielding the Ashbringer or Doomhammer to some dumb necklace that didn't even exist in lore before was a downgrade.

I think if we had gotten the Essences immediately I think the Heart would have felt much more impactful. It wouldn't be a silly amulet that empowers some armor, it would be an Amulet through which we hold the power of the Dragonflights, the Titans or the Void.

I liked the borrowed power systems but Blizzard fucked up so much with them that they burned the concept so I don't think we will see it in the near future. Imo it is bound to come back at some point though.

[Auxis]

so tempest isn't linked to the next expansion?

Nah; from what I've read, 'Tempest' is an internal name for a database or something.

[Nightshade711]

I think the azerite system was an absolutely snoozefest when it comes to just being something cool, going from class order halls and artifacts with many different type of content attached that you can actually see with your eyes to some necklace you can't even see.. From pure casual standpoint - it was very boring.

Yeah blizzard dropped the ball big time on the heart.

One of the best/well received features of the artifacts was the artifact appearance system. They definitely could have made the heart visible & given it customization like the other artifacts but for some reason they dropped it.

[Teriz]

Well anyway, new week started with hopefully some new info.

i vote for blizzcon goodies reveal.

If Dragonflight is any indication, we should be getting a legitimate leak in the next 7-10 days.

[Wangming]

oof... that was a terrible name

I think it is not that bad. I mean if it were a world revamp expansion.
First revamp: Cataclysm
Second revamp: Tempest.

That's poetry, my dude.

[Hitei]

Oh for sure. Can somebody who is not stuck in an office look up when the legit leaks hit the speculation threads for each expansion compared to BlizzCon? That could give us a pretty good guestimate.

<7-14 days.

[Izalla]

As someone who didn't give a damn about azerite armour because I don't do mythic+ and have no raid group anymore, BFA was hands down one of my favourite expacs.

I desperately wish they would give us two different leveling paths again. I play horde and alliance and my least favourite leveling experiences have been the ones where there is little or no difference from character to character. In Legion I was relieved when I could just use the Legion invasions to level so I didn't have to do all the same zones and quests for the 10th time, and Shadowlands just had no redeeming qualities to the leveling experience. Dragonflight has lovely zones and enough quests and other ways to get exp that you can get to max level without leaving one zone if you really want to so that alleviates the sameness, but there still are only 4 zones. But BFA? I doubt it will ever be topped for me.

[Demonly]

<7-14 days.

Actually I have a better timeline.. when..

http://reveal.blizzard.com/ stops being warcraft rumble we'll have a legit leak come in.

[KurtMash]

I think it is not that bad. I mean if it were a world revamp expansion.
First revamp: Cataclysm
Second revamp: Tempest.

That's poetry, my dude.

Not poetry, Shakespeare.

World of Warcraft: Tempest

Turns out that Avaloren is home to another Titan Keeper, Prospero, who was the original Prime Designate, but was overthrown and imprisoned there by Odin. Avaloren is the land of spirits who serve Prospero. There is also tribe of native trolls (Kalimani) who are Prosperos slaves. Prospero has set up the storms around the Avaloren and summoned the Heretics that oppose Odin. We go there led by Odin, unaware that Prospero is the real Prime Designate. Upon the arrival our fleet crashes, and people go missing. In levelling we go through zones recovering the cast from different parts of Avaloren. In the first raid we aid the Kalimani trolls led by Kali'mon that want to betray Prospero, but due to the reveal we end up killing Kali'mon as the final boss of the raid. The final boss of the expac is Odin. There's also a side plot (mirroring Thralls wedding from Cata) were Tyr marries Innaria who apparently is Prospero's daughter. In the end, Prospero releases the spirits of Avaloren from their servitude, returning Spirit to Azeroth. End scene.

[Hitei]

Actually I have a better timeline.. when..

http://reveal.blizzard.com/ stops being warcraft rumble we'll have a legit leak come in.

Just speaking historically. The majority of leaks have been in the 4-5 days leading up to an event; the highpoint of third party involvement. There's been a couple leaks that were earlier, like in the 10 day range. WoD's NGA leak was singularly early; it would have leaked today in comparison, but that source is most l likely gone and was sort of a unique internal vulnerability that hypothetically doesn't exist anymore.

[huth]

I think if we had gotten the Essences immediately I think the Heart would have felt much more impactful. It wouldn't be a silly amulet that empowers some armor, it would be an Amulet through which we hold the power of the Dragonflights, the Titans or the Void.

I liked the borrowed power systems but Blizzard fucked up so much with them that they burned the concept so I don't think we will see it in the near future. Imo it is bound to come back at some point though.

They should just have had Azeroth re-empower the artifacts to begin with instead of this totally new system. There was no need to completely re-invent the wheel.

[Wangming]

<7-14 days.

Well we are a little less than 4 weeks from BlizzCon so the normal would be two more weeks of snooze, followed by the meat. We are about a thousand pages behind from the DF reveal. People really wanted to get away from SL. Granted at this exact page number last time it was bitching about the final post-raid cinematic and discussing the potential of a void vs light expac.
The BfA reveal came at around the 2300s. At this point we were analyzing stream schedules I think.
Legion was revealed around page 1190. People really not hyped during WoD. It was so bad people didn't even come here. Funny thing is the most popular bet besides BL themed was South Seas. The players really want South Seas. And Bards.

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Not poetry, Shakespeare.

World of Warcraft: Tempest

Turns out that Avaloren is home to another Titan Keeper, Prospero, who was the original Prime Designate, but was overthrown and imprisoned there by Odin. Avaloren is the land of spirits who serve Prospero. There is also tribe of native trolls (Kalimani) who are Prosperos slaves. Prospero has set up the storms around the Avaloren and summoned the Heretics that oppose Odin. We go there led by Odin, unaware that Prospero is the real Prime Designate. Upon the arrival our fleet crashes, and people go missing. In levelling we go through zones recovering the cast from different parts of Avaloren. In the first raid we aid the Kalimani trolls led by Kali'mon that want to betray Prospero, but due to the reveal we end up killing Kali'mon as the final boss of the raid. The final boss of the expac is Odin. There's also a side plot (mirroring Thralls wedding from Cata) were Tyr marries Innaria who apparently is Prospero's daughter. In the end, Prospero releases the spirits of Avaloren from their servitude, returning Spirit to Azeroth. End scene.

I might play it actually.

[Demonly]

Well we are a little less than 4 weeks from BlizzCon so the normal would be two more weeks of snooze, followed by the meat. We are about a thousand pages behind from the DF reveal. People really wanted to get away from SL. Granted at this exact page number last time it was bitching about the final post-raid cinematic and discussing the potential of a void vs light expac.
The BfA reveal came at around the 2300s. At this point we were analyzing stream schedules I think.
Legion was revealed around page 1190. People really not hyped during WoD. It was so bad people didn't even come here. Funny thing is the most popular bet besides BL themed was South Seas. The players really want South Seas. And Bards.

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I might play it actually.

You just quoted Indiana jones btw.

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Prospero

[MCMLXXXII]

You just quoted Indiana jones btw.

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Prospero

Yeah I think Shakespeare stole that idea from Indiana Jones.

Wasn't there some kind of Tempest questline in BfA?

[Ersula]

I mean "french catboys" kinda shows how little Ersula paid attention. Ishgard was "french elves". Big difference. Cat people are more tribal.

They're all catboys. If you put cat ears on any of the characters they become impossible to distinguish from each other. Imagine designing 90% of your cast to be thin androgynes with white hair.

Or they use it to bring the Halls of Valor into the fray once more. Or, hear me out - Ulduar. We know that Odyn is now buddies again with the other Keepers, so they could easily lift up the whole of Ulduar (now that Yogg-Saron is dead, or is he?), connect it to the Halls of Valor and use it as an assault front for Avaloren.

For all we know after that Vyranoth scenario, Odyn might be dead. We'll have to wait for what happens in that cutscene.

You were the one who said they "beat" him. Which they didn't. They weren't even present for it.

In the the sense the entire raid was a battle in a war, not the singular last fight. The in-universe history books are going to say "Who led the final attack on the Jailers forces? Jaina, Uther, Bolvar, Sylvanas, and a dozen unnamed mawwalkers." So sorry I didn't name every player character involved in my post, because that would have been impossible. You're trying to goad an argument by willfully misunderstanding what I said.

[Auxis]

Yeah I think Shakespeare stole that idea from Indiana Jones.

Wasn't there some kind of Tempest questline in BfA?

Hmm. Well, there was the Stormsong Valley story line which culminated in the Shrine of Storms, and then later the Crucible of Storms.
Then there was the lost fleet of Kul Tiras which was stuck in a magical storm iirc.

But those were largely contained and wrapped up within BFA.

[Zers Editor]

For all we know after that Vyranoth scenario, Odyn might be dead.

At the end she says that the Storm dragons are free from his influence *for now*, so he lives.

[Well Done Steak]

Has any of the anniversary stuff for this year been datamined?

I think the varion and sylvanas mogs are anniversary items.

I'm still very suspicious about the dreadlord mog and feel like they're 11.0 epic edition collectibles.