The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I wonder what the possibility is of Erinethria's brood in the West being some form of rethought Dragonriders of Loreth'Aran. They were notably absent from mention this expansion.

Everything i know about Dragon Lore tells me only the Aspect is able to produce offspring capable of flying within the Emerald/Ruby flights. The rest would produce Dragonkin or Drakonids.

I was under the impression they simply died out, or the practice of dragonriding elves wasn't needed after the war of the Ancients. They had Hippogryphs for that.

[Wangming]

That's kind of backwards because they literally spell that out in the quest where Ysera returns that she is not taking over any responsibilities of the flight and that Merithra is still in charge despite Ysera's return. If the aspects were to return, it was always Merithra taking on the role of the Green's.

I guess the dataminig took the wind out of the sails of the last "ysera must be the aspect" conspiracy theorists. But that's it.

So what did they bring her back for?

Since 4th specs are pretty much a given at this point since we will be getting more support specs, what 4th specs can we expect over the course of 11.0?

Well the 4 pure dps classes need either a tank or heal spec.

So I think...

Rogue: return of combat for tanking

Hunter: survival tanking themed after rexar?

Warlock: Blood heals. There's no such thing as a ranged tank.

Mage: chronomancy heals

DH: support melee DPS, ranged DPS like that HS card.

Monk: ranged support Chiji themed

Shaman: earth tank of course.

Evoker: Green and Blue Dot spec, call it Eradication.

Warrior: gladiator

DK: return of blood DPS as support

Paladin: sword and board support DPS

I fully support an evasion tank for rogues. Kinda reminds me of Final Fantasy XI. I mean I didn't play it much, but it is well documented that despite being a dps class, ninja was used a lot for tanking because it had skills granting it high evation.

For Mage I also want a tank spec. Imagine a mage using short teleports, mirror images and shields to soak up damage. The antithesis of the squishy wizard.

In full support of a ranged Monk. Bring the ATLA shit. Also I hope they figure out a brew for each spec. Like Beer for brewmasters, tea for mistweavers...idunno noodle soup for windwalkers and something else for the 4th spec.

For shaman I want a spec focused on spirits. I mean consulting with spirits is something they should do yet that aspect is completely overshadowed by elementals. What about your ancestors, Thrall?

[Well Done Steak]

DF's revamped talents involved basically just layering previous iterations of talents or borrowed power, not inventing entirely new specs. It was a significant amount of logistical work but also something that involved mostly existing assets. The mid expansion "new spec" was just the new class' regular third spec. That isn't even remotely close to adding 11 brand new specs.

Also

The 10th anniversary was pseudo-timewalking an old raid and turning a zone into a BG, 15th was a timewalking boss gauntlet and old AV. I don't know why people have built this idea that 20th anniversary means that 11.0 must be some magic super expansion twice the size of a regular one. Blizzard has never gone super crazy for anniversary stuff.

4th specs were established in MoP, and we have not had any other class get one in the 10 years since, despite some of them having very clear slots for one (like Shamans) or constant requests for them (like warriors and priests). DH still has two specs seven years later. Why would you assume just because they added a third spec to a new class that only had two that suddenly every other class in the game is getting an additional spec?

The logical assumption here isn't every class having 4 specs by 12.0. It's that maybe DH will finally get its third spec, and if we're extremely lucky, shaman might get a 4th.

Well, the one new spec is an entire new gimmick of support, which blizzard has heavily implied well be getting more with other classes.

Which puts many of them at 4 specs.

So yeah

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Who says that support has always have to be a dps spec? They could easily make disz and bard into healer support specs, as long as they balance them viable for m+ (but less strong for raids, like having their heals be not good for healing more than 5 players or so, but buffing the other heals /giving players shields there instead).

Support healer make no sense.

How do you make healing based on making other classes do more dmg.

Support as DPS works since it's dmg for dmg.

So you have to hope other people do lots of dmg so your heals can heal more?

[Wangming]

Support healer make no sense.

How do you make healing based on making other classes do more dmg.

Support as DPS works since it's dmg for dmg.

So you have to hope other people do lots of dmg so your heals can heal more?

What if you support healers to heal more? Or better?

[huth]

They did it in legion where you can see the canon wielders of the artifact weapons when you cleanse Sargaras’s sword, and in the Illidan novel where Mieve and Akuma take our place leading the fight against Illidan/killing him.

In all likely hood when they release books that cover Wod-SL events they will do the same and we will be behind a lore character or replaced with one.

The "canon wielders" are just random NPCs meant to represent the other Champions. And the fight against Illidan predates WoD. No, they most likely will not, as they have taken pains to give some way to identify the player characters specificially.

[Well Done Steak]

What if you support healers to heal more? Or better?

You can't have 2 healers in 5 man's or 3s

[Nymrohd]

Everything i know about Dragon Lore tells me only the Aspect is able to produce offspring capable of flying within the Emerald/Ruby flights. The rest would produce Dragonkin or Drakonids.

I was under the impression they simply died out, or the practice of dragonriding elves wasn't needed after the war of the Ancients. They had Hippogryphs for that.

Merithra has a son

[huth]

You can't have 2 healers in 5 man's or 3s

Of course you can. Should is a different matter.

Though Augmentation already empowers healers as well as DPS, so the whole discussion is silly anyway.

[Lady Atia]

Well, the one new spec is an entire new gimmick of support, which blizzard has heavily implied well be getting more with other classes.

Which puts many of them at 4 specs.

So yeah

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Support healer make no sense.

How do you make healing based on making other classes do more dmg.

Support as DPS works since it's dmg for dmg.

So you have to hope other people do lots of dmg so your heals can heal more?

Just have their heals be capped at 5 people while giving them abilities that boost the hps of their fellow healers, so it's heal for heal that still works in 5 man dungeon content without other heals?

[Nymrohd]

I think if we get additional specs, we might get 3-4 support specs and that's it. I'd expect Gladiator as support dps with a shield for Warrior, Bard for Rogue and something for mage. I'd love it if Shaman or Evoker could get an earth magic tank though.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think that if warriors get gladiator support spec, they should get ress based on screaming into a body with rage to bring the person back from the dead.

[Ersula]

What if you support healers to heal more? Or better?

That would be weird considering how healing works. Shaman (or at least they used to) and Disc are already a bit of Support because of their buffs but that's it. I think Support will be a spectrum complex in the future. There's a big grey area between a normal dps & what Augmentation does.

Bard is such a unique thing in Wow considering we have thrash metal bands. I expect them to be be Tank/Healer/SupportDPS when they're eventually added. In fact I think Aug was supposed to test out the entire concept & when they said "more in the future" regarding support specs, I think they either meant for a new class entirely, or specifically for Demon Hunters.

Merithra has a son

Because Merithra was being groomed to be the new Aspect just in case. It might be a royal jelly situation.

[Wangming]

You can't have 2 healers in 5 man's or 3s

Well maybe it's time to work on party sizes. I mean there is no slot for support classes in dungeon finder. The slots are still based on the holy trinity.

[Hitei]

Just have their heals be capped at 5 people while giving them abilities that boost the hps of their fellow healers, so it's heal for heal that still works in 5 man dungeon content without other heals?

Isn't that just a better healer? If a mythic team is running four healers, that's one healer per 5-man group. So wouldn't four support healers be healing about the same amount as a regular healer + boosting each other's healing + boosting self healing?

[Wangming]

That would be weird considering how healing works. Shaman (or at least they used to) and Disc are already a bit of Support because of their buffs but that's it. I think Support will be a spectrum complex in the future. There's a big grey area between a normal dps & what Augmentation does.

Bard is such a unique thing in Wow considering we have thrash metal bands. I expect them to be be Tank/Healer/SupportDPS when they're eventually added. In fact I think Aug was supposed to test out the entire concept & when they said "more in the future" regarding support specs, I think they either meant for a new class entirely, or specifically for Demon Hunters.

Demon Hunter needs another spec for sure. They are really the odd one out now. Plus it would be a way to make them relevant in the story again. They look for an find new power to wield. Maybe even against a new enemy. Hell, they are also the most limited non-evoker class.

[Well Done Steak]

Of course you can. Should is a different matter.

Though Augmentation already empowers healers as well as DPS, so the whole discussion is silly anyway.

Aug mainly empowers DPS, with a few tank and healer boons as bonus.

[Zers Editor]

Why is there a conflict between Alex and Tyr? Because Alex let Vyra join the dragons, or because Alex is about to abandon the path of the titans?

I mean, he can easily take those choices as her starting to become corrupted. It was pointed by the writers (Koranos' line after the memory) that he fears the corruption of the Aspects for a reason.

[Well Done Steak]

Just have their heals be capped at 5 people while giving them abilities that boost the hps of their fellow healers, so it's heal for heal that still works in 5 man dungeon content without other heals?

A healer that can only heal 5 players at once?.... That's ass.

Aug can still work and single target while buffing multiple players.

No, guys just keep support as DPS, we don't need to overcomplicate how support works.

Healing is already a form of "support" by definition anyway.

[Wangming]

a bow specialization would be interesting for them

Something a bit closer to the Diablo Demon Hunter?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The "canon wielders" are just random NPCs meant to represent the other Champions. And the fight against Illidan predates WoD. No, they most likely will not, as they have taken pains to give some way to identify the player characters specificially.

They aren’t random NPC’s they are all lore characters and while the Illidan fight predates Wod the Illidan novel does not coming out near the launch of legion and it’s reframes the fight to put Mieve at the front and giving her the killing blow. They also do the same thing in Chronicles vol3 for every raid they mention which I want to say came out in BFA.



So there likely to stick with how they handled it around legion when we actually get books that cover the events.