The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

Support works best as dps so I don't see mages, locks, hunters, and rogues getting one.

Since they're all dps they need to get a tank or heals spec. They don't need a 4th dps spec.
Yeah, sure. I mean I agree. Having three melee dps specs based on combo points feels a bit redundant for rogues. Same as three magic dps specs for mage. At least lock spices it up with pets.
Shaman needs a tank spec as earth themed since a shaman earth support spec is too close to aug.
Does a new Shaman spec need to be earth focused?
Evoker can get a dot spec with the green and blue flights.

Druids arent getting a 5th
ugh they better not. That would be overkill especially for poor DH
So that leaves us with priest, DH, monk, war, DK, and pally. For the best potential support candidates.

Priest, pally, and monk are the easiest thematically.
I'm all for more fun monk specs
DK I guess could bring back blood.dps and empower allies like that.

War could be a commander spec that buffs with banned e and shouts, but I would prefer a gladiator spec.

DH I guess could just buff with fel and shadowmagic.
They need a third spec that's for sure.

Yeah I guess you do bring up good points.

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That being said, god do I miss Garrosh. I don't even know if I want to call him a villain. It did feel kinda good to have him as Warchief, it created some awesomedifferences between Horde and Alliance culturally.

Oh he did a lot of good to the story. Definitely.

[Makorus]

I'm betting money Aug will just be a DPS spec in 11.0; support just doesn't work in retail

Support works fine in Raids.

In Dungeon, Blizz just needs to make Ebon Might not go on Healers/Tanks.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

That being said, god do I miss Garrosh. I don't even know if I want to call him a villain. It did feel kinda good to have him as Warchief, it created some awesomedifferences between Horde and Alliance culturally.

Whether you like him or not, i think Garrosh character was the one that had the most intensity whenever he was on screen, VA killed it everytime and it would be very hard to not get hyped about some upcoming badass moment.

I miss a character like that in the horde that just makes you go "oh shiiiit, something badass gonna happen" when you see them.

I hope they will at least use Rexxar and Leoroxx, now that they're on azeroth, doing some badass shit.

[Kiivar86]

I like to hate Garrosh but that's because I like to hate him. Even written as schizophrenic as he became at times, he was still fun and yeah, his voice actor is stellar. Patrick Seitz is one of my favorites.

His annihilating himself in Shadowlands was great too. Granted, means there's definitely no coming back for him but that was a hell of a way to go.

I'd love to see someone of his caliber again.

[pacotaco]

If it has Void stuff involved, then wouldn't Iridikron be involved in the raid as well? I mean, I doubt we'd kill him but at least it would explain how he got that void artifact thing in the Dawn of the Infinites dungeon... especially if it was something that Neltharion kept hidden away.

It might not be how it would play out, but it would make some sense than Sarkareth being an idiot.

The "void artifact" is the thing that gets in the Forbidden Reach cinematic. He later uses it in Dawn of Infinite to suck Galakron's essence.

[ro9ue]

I was literally thinking about that the other day - why can't worgen druids just use their worgen form as feral and use the worgen unarmed animations; it wouldn't be hard to do and would be an amazing spec for actually feeling like a worgen

Yeah I was excited for Worgen until I realized you don't use your claws in combat lol. ESO does werewolves a million times better imo, not only you attack like a werewolf, but it gets a set of werewolf skills, almost like a subclass.

[Woggmer]

Agree. We even see an Infinite Tyr when the timeline changes, pointing to him aligning with Murozon. That to me hints at him loving the dragons over his duty.

Yeah, and if he decides to go against the Aspects because of Vyranoth, I should point out some quotes he said in the Dawn of the Aspects book.

"We never intended this path. Galakrond should never have journeyed in the direction he did, and we did not prevent it. Now...now this young world faces annihilation."

In our seeking to guide Azeroth's growth as a whole, we have been too long removed from the daily aspects of the world, too long from interacting with the life of that world. Without guidance, events somehow brought us Galakrond. With guidance, we and your kind might be able to set Kalimdor back on its destined path.

From the way he's saying it, he didn't intend to put Order on the dragons solely for the sake of Order. Rather, he just doesn't want to the dragons end up like what happened to Galakrond...

And although this never made it to the official canon in-game and what not, it is worth noting it just give a sense of what "might have" been.

In an early pre-release interview, the Primal Incarnates were described as "followers of Galakrond" and "children of Galakrond [who believe that] dragons are the apex of creation [and] should be served by mortals, rather than the other way around."

[NikolaiShade]

I was literally thinking about that the other day - why can't worgen druids just use their worgen form as feral and use the worgen unarmed animations; it wouldn't be hard to do and would be an amazing spec for actually feeling like a worgen

It's actually reasonable from a lore standpoint to make worgen druids not use their worgen form as feral. There is a wolf form, sorta berserker form, Malfucrion experimented with it and almost killed cenarius. A group of druids tried to use the scythe of Elune to tame the wolf form and became the druids of the scythe (formerly of the pack). Basically night elf worgen.

Edit: the wolf form could have been a nice hidden appearance for feral artifact weapon during Legion

[Wangming]

It's actually reasonable from a lore standpoint to make worgen druids not use their worgen form as feral. There is a wolf form, sorta berserker form, Malfucrion experimented with it and almost killed cenarius. A group of druids tried to use the scythe of Elune to tame the wolf form and became the druids of the scythe (formerly of the pack). Basically night elf worgen.

Yes. The pack form (wolf/worgen) is different from the cat form. It's also super effin overpowered.

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Yeah I was excited for Worgen until I realized you don't use your claws in combat lol. ESO does werewolves a million times better imo, not only you attack like a werewolf, but it gets a set of werewolf skills, almost like a subclass.

I didn't understand why worgen monk took so long. They have claws ffs.

Hopefully we will have Allied worgen eventually and they will get some kind of slash racial.

[Nightshade711]

I didn't understand why worgen monk took so long. They have claws ffs.

Hopefully we will have Allied worgen eventually and they will get some kind of slash racial.

It’s a shame/crime that the Worgen didn’t get a hidden weapon transmog like the monks did.
Think it woulda been perfect for fury warriors.

[Wangming]

It’s a shame/crime that the Worgen didn’t get a hidden weapon transmog like the monks did.
Think it woulda been perfect for fury warriors.

Furry warrior

If I had my way Worgen wouldn't be a race. It would be an endgame progression system. You get empowered by something. Mechanized parts, fel energy, scourge magic, worgen curse. Each with new passives and abilities.

[Ersula]

I'm betting money Aug will just be a DPS spec in 11.0; support just doesn't work in retail

What are you talking about? It has high demand in groups without its presence being manditory & people enjoy playing it. That's a huge success.

[Well Done Steak]

Yeah I guess you do bring up good points.

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Oh he did a lot of good to the story. Definitely.

Shaman earth spec for tanking because each spec is represented by an element except earth

[Santandame]

I don't want tinker because i know that blizzard again might just go for 2 races class - Gnomes and goblins..

I prefer new specs unloaded in next expansions that you can at least play with races you like the most.

Draenei, Orcs, Dwarves, Blood Elves, Vulpera, Mag’har, Dark Iron, Forsaken, Lightforged and Humans would all make sense as Tinkers.

[Selorian]

I'm betting money Aug will just be a DPS spec in 11.0; support just doesn't work in retail

There is no support role, it's just a DPS that does its damage differently.

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Shaman earth spec for tanking because each spec is represented by an element except earth

Enhancement and Elemental both utilize all 4 elements. Restoration is the only spec that's really focused on an element

[Baraden]

Yeah I was excited for Worgen until I realized you don't use your claws in combat lol. ESO does werewolves a million times better imo, not only you attack like a werewolf, but it gets a set of werewolf skills, almost like a subclass.

ESO does a fair few things better than WoW, especially when it comes to customisation - though thinking about ESO werewolf makes me remember how annoying they were to fight in chaosball

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It’s a shame/crime that the Worgen didn’t get a hidden weapon transmog like the monks did.
Think it woulda been perfect for fury warriors.

Precisely

SMF worgen fury warrior with the invisible fist weapon would be perfect RP wise; and it would take literally 0 effort to implement

I genuinely don't know why they don't have 1 or 2 devs dedicated to just constantly adding these types of minor changes that would objectively improve the game

[micwini]

Dwarf looking ogres?

I don't see anything 1:1, but you never know what people can do with AI these days. It seems very similar.

[huth]

Something about the perspective looks off to me as well. The laptop and phone screens look like they were superimposed on top of a different image, which is weird because it would be very easy to put these images up on your laptop and phone and take a photo of them without having to do any editing in that regard.

Typical case of working to hard on the wrong thing.

Doesn't look to me that there is even any actual screen there, just a keyboard. Let's be real here, who would be working in a room that dark anyway?

[ercarp]

I don't see anything 1:1, but you never know what people can do with AI these days. It seems very similar.

Exactly. You can use something like img2img to get an output that has a similar style and color palette.

[micwini]

Did people already discuss the permanent augment rune and it being another sign of there not being a 10.3?