The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

It's actually not that bad value if you play most Blizzard games.

The Legendary Pack comes with the Diablo 4 Battlepass and the OW2 Battlepass, so if you were planning to play those anyway, that's it already have price.

For sure. Blizzard provides pretty good value if you play multiple games. Like how Collector's Edition and/or preorder bonuses include stuff for other games.

[Woggmer]

So, what happened to Teriz and his "leak" of"The blizzcon mount is the stormcharger because Stormpeak and Ulduar and omg if you disagree you are stupid!!".

Did he say it was the Blizzcon mount or the next expansion's mount? Which makes way more sense considering the whole [Heroic Edition] next to it.

Honestly, we should look at that list of leaked achievements and cross out the ones that have already been revealed so we can pinpoint what else is to be revealed.

[Skildar]

if only people could get off Teriz' case for a while, it's like watching a kindergarden...

[Santandame]

if only people could get off Teriz' case for a while, it's like watching a kindergarden...

I wouldn’t really say people are on his case. He understandably riles people up with his behaviour at times, and it’s fair to get frustrated by it and respond in kind - I’m guilty of it myself. He certainly isn’t a victim in this case, but neither is anyone else.

It’s just part and parcel with arguing/debating on an online message board tailored towards discussion and speculation. Until it starts veering into being cruel or unnecessarily spiteful then that’s when it veers into acting immature and childish.

End of the day we’re just human, we’re going to let things bother and we’re going to express frustrations and vent.

All that aside and back on topic…

If we do get new core races next expansion and it’s set on Avaloren/Khaz Algar/what have you - then what will the races likely be?

I think we can rule out certain races such as Ethereals, Naga, Arakkoa, Saberon, Botani, Tuskarr, Drakonid, Mogu etc. it’s likely Broken and Mok’nathal will get the allied race/customisation treatment.

I think Ogres are the likeliest they’ve ever been since potentially Cataclysm, especially if Avaloren is Avaloren themed. I think Jinyu have a strong chance. I’ve also been campaigning for Halflings being a possibility for the past so many pages. Vrykul also feel like a very real strong possibility.

[lanerios]

Did he say he it was the Blizzcon mount or the next expansion's mount? Which makes way more sense considering the whole [Heroic Edition] next to it.

Honestly, we should look at that list of leaked achievements and cross out the ones that have already been revealed so we can pinpoint what else is to be revealed.

He was absolutely convinced it was the blizzcon mount.

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if only people could get off Teriz' case for a while, it's like watching a kindergarden...

If someone starts claiming their speculation as fact, and claiming they "predicted" evokers, and that they are completely right in all their theories? They should be called out when they're wrong, especially if said person is absolutely incapable of saying "Oh shit, seems I was wrong. My bad!"

Welcome to discussions. Claim stupid facts, get called out on it.

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It's actually not that bad value if you play most Blizzard games.

The Legendary Pack comes with the Diablo 4 Battlepass and the OW2 Battlepass, so if you were planning to play those anyway, that's it already half price.

I don't play OW2, I might someday down the line, but as of now? Not really. It just doesn't make me go "wow I have to play!" like OW1 did

[Lahis]

They cant and you know it. There is 3 expamples of irracial breeding. And it is Vereesa twins, Arathor and Garona. While Garona is born via magic intervention, Rhonin twins and Arathor is wild card.
Maybe High Elves can mate with humans, but its hard? Maybe must be some magic incursion to do so. Who knows.
There is also Lantrezor, but I think his deal same as Garona.

You list out half elves and then say it is not possible? What clown logic are you running on?

[Teriz]

Did he say he it was the Blizzcon mount or the next expansion's mount? Which makes way more sense considering the whole [Heroic Edition] next to it.

Honestly, we should look at that list of leaked achievements and cross out the ones that have already been revealed so we can pinpoint what else is to be revealed.

I'll repeat; The BlizzCon mount is possibly a hint at the theme of the next expansion because it's an elemental. The Algarian Stormrider is clearly the heroic pre-purchase mount, and it is possibly an air elemental. I have no idea how the posters here got those two arguments confused.

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He was absolutely convinced it was the blizzcon mount.

Feel free to find a quote where I stated that.

[Wangming]

I think we can rule out certain races such as Ethereals, Naga, Arakkoa, Saberon, Botani, Tuskarr, Drakonid, Mogu etc. it’s likely Broken and Mok’nathal will get the allied race/customisation treatment.

I think Ogres are the likeliest they’ve ever been since potentially Cataclysm, especially if Avaloren is Avaloren themed. I think Jinyu have a strong chance. I’ve also been campaigning for Halflings being a possibility for the past so many pages. Vrykul also feel like a very real strong possibility.

I never really stopped wishing for playable Naga was just aware of how difficult it would be. But with dracthyr playable, everything is possible.

[Teriz]

Well, you’re simply going to be wrong.

Not really, since I said it is possible that it is a Gryphon mount. I'm simply stating that I would prefer it be something else, and we have evidence that it might be something else.

[Nymrohd]

If someone starts claiming their speculation as fact, and claiming they "predicted" evokers, and that they are completely right in all their theories? They should be called out when they're wrong, especially if said person is absolutely incapable of saying "Oh shit, seems I was wrong. My bad!"

Welcome to discussions. Claim stupid facts, get called out on it.

If it has been called out, you and ten other people do not need to call it out as well.

[Makorus]

Not really, since I said it is possible that it is a Gryphon mount. I'm simply stating that I would prefer it be something else, and we have evidence that it might be something else.

What evidence do we have, exactly?

[Teriz]

Just for posteritys sake, and not directed at anyone in particular (*cough cough*)

We already have someone of the "Stormrider" faction.

It's a dwarf with two gryphons.

There's also this.

It should be noted that none of those are mounts themselves, but the actual Dwarves that ride the gryphons. In the examples I showed, the dragon and the elemental are actually called Stormriders.

In the end, it could be Gryphon mounts, or it could be something else. I'm merely offering alternatives here, and I don't think it's worth arguing over. We'll see in a few weeks.

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What evidence do we have, exactly?

I actually pointed it out in my response to you above.

[Santandame]

Not really, since I said it is possible that it is a Gryphon mount. I'm simply stating that I would prefer it be something else, and we have evidence that it might be something else.

What evidence?

I’ve not seen the evidence in your reply to Makorus above. Just that the Dwarves themselves are known as Stormriders and not the Gryphons. But that isn’t evidence that the Algarian Stormrider isn’t a Gryphon. Is your evidence the Stirmrider Elemental from content around 15 years old? Why does that have more credence than content that’s more recent at 5 years old. What makes a Stormrider a Stormrider? We don’t know. We do have evidence that’s been datamined from the Trading Post in regards to the Stormrider’s Arsenal. Is your belief that it will deck us out to look like the below?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Stormrider

It’s likely the concept of Dragonriding will carry over, so it’s likely the pre order mount will have those mechanics. Can you see the above elemental not looking silly whilst using the current dragonriding abilities & mechanics?

[Dancaris]

You list out half elves and then say it is not possible? What clown logic are you running on?

Your argument is that elves, orcs and Draenei are humans bc they mate can humans. And that is not true. All I saying that it rare occursion. Half orcs half draenei is magic influensed breed. there is 0 half human half draenei. Or half-orc and half-human.
All we have 2 magic-maked Garona and Lantrezor. And 3 half-elves that from 1 family and dont know about special condition on them. Maybe magic in Dalaran and Outland helps with that, maybe Rhonin and Turalion magic is strong enough to overcome biology. It was stated that half-elves are not common in any sence.
That is nothing to do with Kul-Tirans and original humans. They are same race. They all decendants of Vrykuls, some more, some less. Same with Mok'Nathals. Ogres and Orcs are relative, so can breed.

[Makorus]

It should be noted that none of those are mounts themselves, but the actual Dwarves that ride the gryphons. In the examples I showed, the dragon and the elemental are actually called Stormriders.

In the end, it could be Gryphon mounts, or it could be something else. I'm merely offering alternatives here, and I don't think it's worth arguing over. We'll see in a few weeks.

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I actually pointed it out in my response to you above.

So we have Elementals called Storm Riders. This is where it ends for the Storm Rider = Elemental connection.

We have a dwarf called a Storm Rider who is accompanied by two Gryphons.
It's the Algarian Stormrider -> Khaz Algar has dwarves (Earthen are literally called dwarves so don't even bring up that argument).
We have a weapon pack called the "Stormrider's Stormhammers", weapons used by Gryphon Riders. Additionally, there were loads of other Gryphon Rider cosmetics added.
The Preorder mount is under the same encryption key as a flying race, called "Storm Rider". Obviously, a race would mean Dragonriding-compatible. Gryphons are the first mount with a different skeleton that were made Dragonriding compatible, in 10.1.7.
We have datamined textures of a gryphon with customization options.

It's not a matter of perspective.

You are aware that you can have the creature they ride be called "Stormriders" and the faction itself? They probably named the creature Stormriders because they were gryphons good at traversing storms. But "Stormrider Rider" would be a shitty name for a faction.

[Lahis]

Your argument is that elves, orcs and Draenei are humans bc they mate can humans. And that is not true. All I saying that it rare occursion. Half orcs half draenei is magic influensed breed. there is 0 half human half draenei. Or half-orc and half-human.
All we have 2 magic-maked Garona and Lantrezor. And 3 half-elves that from 1 family and dont know about special condition on them. Maybe magic in Dalaran and Outland helps with that, maybe Rhonin and Turalion magic is strong enough to overcome biology. It was stated that half-elves are not common in any sence.
That is nothing to do with Kul-Tirans and original humans. They are same race. They all decendants of Vrykuls, some more, some less. Same with Mok'Nathals. Ogres and Orcs are relative, so can breed.

You said Kul Titans are human because they can breed with humans.

By th logic everything is human because humans can make half-breed with anything.

[Dancaris]

You said Kul Titans are human because they can breed with humans.

By th logic everything is human because humans can make half-breed with anything.

And your source is? Only half-breeds with humans are half-elves. And not showing any more half-breeds. Can you? But look at Kul-Tirans. They can, they did, they do and will be. They are humans, just large one. It is not any different race.

[Dismayxz]

Damn, I love this interpretation!

To tack on to what Eldryth said. Viewed in this light, it also makes sense he'd go "This isn't Order!". Does "Order" have to mean that it's all tidy and "Order-y", when Titans themselves seem to somewhat be able to align themselves differently, like Eonar being very life-themed, Sargeras breaking off to Disorder/the Legion? I am viewing Order more and more as a balancing force. Elun'ahir wasn't orderly, because it was a threatening amount of "Life", that could potentially be corrupted or used for harm to the World Soul. Which would be correct if the survival of said tree were to pave the way for the Void/OG's. I think the Titans haven't actually changed all that much from what they were, their Charge has just been more contextualized and in that vein, may at times look a little more grey in some aspects.

[Nebron]

So we have Elementals called Storm Riders. This is where it ends for the Storm Rider = Elemental connection.

We have a dwarf called a Storm Rider who is accompanied by two Gryphons.
It's the Algarian Stormrider -> Khaz Algar has dwarves (Earthen are literally called dwarves so don't even bring up that argument).
We have a weapon pack called the "Stormrider's Stormhammers", weapons used by Gryphon Riders. Additionally, there were loads of other Gryphon Rider cosmetics added.
The Preorder mount is under the same encryption key as a flying race, called "Storm Rider". Obviously, a race would mean Dragonriding-compatible. Gryphons are the first mount with a different skeleton that were made Dragonriding compatible, in 10.1.7.
We have datamined textures of a gryphon with customization options.

It's not a matter of perspective.

You are aware that you can have the creature they ride be called "Stormriders" and the faction itself? They probably named the creature Stormriders because they were gryphons good at traversing storms. But "Stormrider Rider" would be a shitty name for a faction.

I'm on your side, but to be fair, there's nothing wrong with @Teriz presenting his alternative as long as he's not shoving it down everyone's throat as self-evident or fact. To me, the idea that the mount is gryphon also greatly outweights Teriz's proposition, but then it's not that far-fetched. After all, if we're about to get stormy-vibe expansion, storm elemental fits it well. But yeah, I believe it's gryphon.

[Santandame]

I'm on your side, but to be fair, there's nothing wrong with @Teriz presenting his alternative as long as he's not shoving it down everyone's throat as self-evident or fact. To me, the idea that the mount is gryphon also greatly outweights Teriz's proposition, but then it's not that far-fetched. After all, if we're about to get stormy-vibe expansion, storm elemental fits it well. But yeah, I believe it's gryphon.

But we also don’t know that it will be a stormy-vibe expansion.

The storms surrounding the land to the west could be just as much as a plot point as the mists surrounding Pandaria, which were insignificant past arriving there. The storms are more than likely what stops us from locating and going to this land. Upon breaking the storm they may become irrelevant.

That said, I do believe if it’s say Avaloren with Khaz Algar, then thunderstorms will be present in that zone. I do think the Elements will play a part too but not in the sense that Teriz is championing (but the goal posts are moving ever so slightly and will continue to do so, just so he can say he predicted the expansion like he did with Evokers). I think the Elements we deal with will be Spirit and Decay. But I think the primary cosmic force of the land we go to will be Life magic.

If I’m being completely frank, my idea for the Stormrider evidence is that pre-patch wise we’ll get dangerous storms happening in certain zones of the old world, where we have to use our Stormrider mount to navigate the event and dispel it. Then when journey to the new land, the opening expansion event is a scenario with us traversing the storm then stopping it during the levelling so reinforcements can arrive. Past that, I don’t think the storm side of the expansion will be relevant and I don’t think it’ll be tied to the Elements or Elemental Lords as blatantly as people believe. For all we know Xal’atath is conjuring it using some dark magic.