1. #27081
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    But another elemental expansion does make sense?
    DF wasn't really about the elements, it was about dragons that happened to use them. There wasn't really much development on the elemental planes or anything, except for the fire lord randomly showing up as fodder for Fyrak's plans in the new raid. Who we're just going to kill anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage79 View Post
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    It’s a Haunter and Gengar DH but what’s the relevance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate View Post
    DF wasn't really about the elements, it was about dragons that happened to use them. There wasn't really much development on the elemental planes or anything, except for the fire lord randomly showing up as fodder for Fyrak's plans in the new raid. Who we're just going to kill anyway.
    It’s not worth going over this again but there’s been almost a hundred pages of discussion around DF being an elemental expansion with most in favour of it being so with lots of evidence pointing towards it being one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    Ohhhh, that's awesome, just starting my first ever RPG game (Warhammer) as a player next week
    Do you incorporate some WoW stuff into your world as well? writing a novel? that's even more impressive...
    WoW directly, there probably are some inspirations from years ago, but I would say usually it might be a same source that I use for inspiration as WC does.

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  4. #27084
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I don't think Amirdrassil and the Emerald Dream could ever replace Teldrassil, to be honest. The levelling zone Teldrassil is as iconic as Elwynn forest to old school players. The colour palette, the music, everything about it is just fantastic. I'd love to chill around an updated version using the 8.1.5 WSG assets.

    Anyway, another dream scenario at BlizzCon would be a type of Warcraft single-player or shared world survival RPG.

    Pick a character, like an Orc. Start your adventure with primitive gear, and make your way across Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. From the shores of Desolace to the peaks of Dun Morogh. Sleep underneath the stars as the cold breeze embraces you, and keep a fire going to stay alive. Watch out for the wolves, though.
    It's a bold choice and not one that I agree with. The new World Tree either shouldn't have been their home, or it should be in Kalimdor.

    Moving them off Kalimdor, and that's what it would be, is just a bad solution.

  5. #27085
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    I don't think Amirdrassil and the Emerald Dream could ever replace Teldrassil, to be honest. The levelling zone Teldrassil is as iconic as Elwynn forest to old school players. The colour palette, the music, everything about it is just fantastic. I'd love to chill around an updated version using the 8.1.5 WSG assets.

    Anyway, another dream scenario at BlizzCon would be a type of Warcraft single-player or shared world survival RPG.

    Pick a character, like an Orc. Start your adventure with primitive gear, and make your way across Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. From the shores of Desolace to the peaks of Dun Morogh. Sleep underneath the stars as the cold breeze embraces you, and keep a fire going to stay alive. Watch out for the wolves, though.
    Is there confirmation that Amirdrassil is going to specifically mature in the physical plane where we enter the emerald dream? I'm not discounting it, but I thought so far it was more ambiguous. Like, that everything including the raid is just the growth phase of the world tree but that it needs to be placed in the physical world, or grow through into it. The emerald dream is not a 1:1 replica of the current world.

    I'm not saying it won't end up in the Dragon Isles--thematically dragonriders were a thing with nelfs before and including war of the ancients I think so it's not thematically off--but I also don't think it's quite cut and dry yet.
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  6. #27086
    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate View Post
    Is there confirmation that Amirdrassil is going to specifically mature in the physical plane where we enter the emerald dream? I'm not discounting it, but I thought so far it was more ambiguous. Like, that everything including the raid is just the growth phase of the world tree but that it needs to be placed in the physical world, or grow through into it. The emerald dream is not a 1:1 replica of the current world.

    I'm not saying it won't end up in the Dragon Isles--thenatically dragonriders were a thing with nelfs before and including war of the ancients I think so it's not thematically off--but I also don't think it's quite cut and dry yet.
    IIRC, there is an encrypted map that people are 100% sure is the new tree off the coast of Ohnaran.

  7. #27087
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    One is meant to display the reawakening of the Dragon Isles, the other is meant to be an all out assault upon Icecrown Citadel. No shit they feel different...
    Because you said those vibes are still in WoW, when they literally aren’t. The story, tone and direction of the game has changed over 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    It's a bold choice and not one that I agree with. The new World Tree either shouldn't have been their home, or it should be in Kalimdor.

    Moving them off Kalimdor, and that's what it would be, is just a bad solution.
    It's a tone deaf choice imo. A far more elegant (and simple) solution would have been a refreshed Hyjal summit with Nordrassil as their new home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate View Post
    Is there confirmation that Amirdrassil is going to specifically mature in the physical plane where we enter the emerald dream? I'm not discounting it, but I thought so far it was more ambiguous. Like, that everything including the raid is just the growth phase of the world tree but that it needs to be placed in the physical world, or grow through into it. The emerald dream is not a 1:1 replica of the current world.

    I'm not saying it won't end up in the Dragon Isles--thenatically dragonriders were a thing with nelfs before and including war of the ancients I think so it's not thematically off--but I also don't think it's quite cut and dry yet.
    Not sure it matters either way, to be honest. If it's in the Emerald Dream, it'll feel like Val'sharah. If it's in the real world, it's stuck in the Ohn'ahran plains. Neither of those come close to Teldrassil, Ashenvale, Hyjal, Winterspring, Moonglade, Darkshore, Azshara, or even Felwood.

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    @Marlamin
    found your post via google lol (sth page 835)

    IMO this does not really smash the idea of something azshara south sea / underwater apart
    since the model is really so new and unique. unless anything
    all emerald dream patch models are some kind of reskins except this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    @Marlamin
    found your post via google lol (sth page 835)

    IMO this does not really smash the idea of something azshara south sea / underwater apart
    since the model is really so new and unique. unless anything
    all emerald dream patch models are some kind of reskins except this one
    There was nothing implied there outside of the repeated pattern of posts.

  11. #27091
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Because you said those vibes are still in WoW, when they literally aren’t. The story, tone and direction of the game has changed over 15 years.
    But that trailer is one, fan made, Blizzard endorsed and two, completely different. You're literally making the argument that all of Avengers End Game should've been the last fight. Different themes are allowed to exist in the same universe. We have have zombie war and we can have dragon adventure and it not be indicative of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate View Post
    Is there confirmation that Amirdrassil is going to specifically mature in the physical plane where we enter the emerald dream? I'm not discounting it, but I thought so far it was more ambiguous. Like, that everything including the raid is just the growth phase of the world tree but that it needs to be placed in the physical world, or grow through into it. The emerald dream is not a 1:1 replica of the current world.

    I'm not saying it won't end up in the Dragon Isles--thenatically dragonriders were a thing with nelfs before and including war of the ancients I think so it's not thematically off--but I also don't think it's quite cut and dry yet.
    I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see Amirdrassil as more of a Cenarion Circle/overall Druidic hub similar to the class hall in Legion; with the Night Elves populating either Hyjal or Ashenvale as their new capital if/when we get a world revamp expansion.

  13. #27093
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see Amirdrassil as more of a Cenarion Circle/overall Druidic hub similar to the class hall in Legion; with the Night Elves populating either Hyjal or Ashenvale as their new capital if/when we get a world revamp expansion.
    Issue seems to be that we have NE characters already saying "this will be our new home"

  14. #27094
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLion View Post
    But that trailer is one, fan made, Blizzard endorsed and two, completely different. You're literally making the argument that all of Avengers End Game should've been the last fight. Different themes are allowed to exist in the same universe. We have have zombie war and we can have dragon adventure and it not be indicative of anything.
    I have no idea what you’re talking about, especially anything about Avengers Endgame being the last fight. You’ve completely lost me there. I’ve literally not said, or argued anything you’re claiming.

    I’m saying that the overall tone of the Warcraft story is extremely different to that of the mid to late 2000s. We have had multiple different narrative leads, writers, and team members over that time period. Times evolve. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. But you cannot look at TBC/WotLK era WoW and say it is a similar vibe to Legion-DF era WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    Issue seems to be that we have NE characters already saying "this will be our new home"
    Wasn’t aware of that, cheers. Maybe it will be then. It’s a bit shit for those hoping for the Night Elves to repopulate Northern Kalimdor but it is what it is.

    If we do get a world revamp, I wonder what Northern Kalimdor will look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    . Come to think of it, are people still using that stuff, or did that just stop after N'Zoth awakened and we had bigger problems?
    Lore wise Azerite is suppose to turn into a useless red stone when Azeroth’s wounds are healed according to BTS, new wounds reawaken it.

    So all of the azerite should be useless post BFA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Lore wise Azerite is suppose to turn into a useless red stone when Azeroth’s wounds are healed according to BTS, new wounds reawaken it.

    So all of the azerite should be useless post BFA.
    Very convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Very convenient.
    Honestly with what they set up there should be goblins and other evil groups left and right digging to deep to reawaken the stuff to use it.

    But it’s not likely to ever come up again with how over powered they made it.
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  18. #27098
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    It's a tone deaf choice imo. A far more elegant (and simple) solution would have been a refreshed Hyjal summit with Nordrassil as their new home.

    Not sure it matters either way, to be honest. If it's in the Emerald Dream, it'll feel like Val'sharah. If it's in the real world, it's stuck in the Ohn'ahran plains. Neither of those come close to Teldrassil, Ashenvale, Hyjal, Winterspring, Moonglade, Darkshore, Azshara, or even Felwood.
    Apologies. I was not saying that the two options were a capital in the Dream or one off the coast of Ohnaran Plains. My take was that I thought the wording so far was pretty carefully framed as the Tree would sprout and grow in the Dream, and then 1) either be physically transplanted in our world or 2) grow through the boundaries between the Dream into our world and physically manifest.

    In case 1, it could be planted in the bay outside Ohnaran Plains, or in Mount Hyjal (to your point) or anywhere, really.

    In case 2, it could be that the place it grows into our world isn't even the bay outside Ohnaran. The Dream matched Azeroth to some extend pre-Sundering. That is no longer the case. We don't know if all continents shifted (which in the real world would happen with something on the level of the Sundering) or if only the accessible continents did. If all continents shifted, then the Dream section we enter might not correlate 1:1 which the empty bay in the physical world.

    However, this all might be moot per what Ferlion brings up:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    IIRC, there is an encrypted map that people are 100% sure is the new tree off the coast of Ohnaran.
    Ah, I must have missed that. Is there a link? I'd like to see this for myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see Amirdrassil as more of a Cenarion Circle/overall Druidic hub similar to the class hall in Legion; with the Night Elves populating either Hyjal or Ashenvale as their new capital if/when we get a world revamp expansion.
    I don't really see a reason this would be true. This just feels like something you would like to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Very convenient.
    I'm vaguely remembering some reused Azerite effects in this expansion that are tied to abilities like outright titled "azerite [whatever]". But in fairness this doesn't contradict what you bring up as that could easily just be sloppy Blizzard stuff per usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    SL also had a shitty Cinematic. It had action but it delivered something that very few of us wanted to see.
    This, the SL cinematic reveal is the first time since I started this damn addiction in '04 that my reaction was flat with no hype whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Very convenient.
    This fits to my impression that BFA just became 10x better post it being the up to date xpac content. Cant get enough of leveling alts through Kul Tiras zones plus the war campain. No Azerite bs or the last patch corruption. Really a shame the f*ed up this xpac with the annoyiung azerite gear and world quests. Story wise it would fit very well if we continue all the open plots of BFA and I still cant imagine them doing some elemental cave xpac
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