The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

They're a secondary theme. The primary theme is dragons.

That said, it's no different than demons being a secondary theme in WoD and us getting a demonic invasion in Legion. I believe the main thing we should consider is that we're currently on a mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs. People are now saying we're going to another mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs in 11.0. I don't believe that's going to happen.

Wow with that mentioned I am now reliving the demon fatigue from WoD 6.2 - all of Legion. I think Legion overall balanced the persistence of demon stuff pretty well given all the themes and raids, but I do remember people having green fatigue, and I think that was a reason why the last wing of the Argus raid was red.

[Imotbh]

That is an encrypted branch, not PTR. It is where builds go before they go on PTR.

Ok my bad then, sorry.

[Baraden]

They're a secondary theme. The primary theme is dragons.

That said, it's no different than demons being a secondary theme in WoD and us getting a demonic invasion in Legion. I believe the main thing we should consider is that we're currently on a mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs. People are now saying we're going to another mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs in 11.0. I don't believe that's going to happen.

Bad example when people complained about demon fatigue and it was one of the bigger complaints of legion lore-wise

[Santandame]

Using the trailer doesn't really illustrate that, is my point. The fan trailer doesn't show contrasting styles or changes in styles. It shows a highlight moment that resonates with fans. Hence the movie comparison. The story direction might have changed, but that trailer and comparing it to Dragonflight's cinematic wouldn't possible show that. They're completely unrelated. So my question would be, if you're not claiming it's a bad thing, then why is the fan trailer relevant at all? It's a cool thing. It's well animated, well shot. But does it show a shift in Blizzard's tone? Nope. Because Blizzard didn't make it. And there's absolutely no reason to believe they couldn't randomly throw more Shadowlands or BFA style grit into a cinematic if the situation called for it. It just hasn't so far.

I don’t know why you’re going on about a fan made trailer when I’m not. I’m talking about the change in tone of the story of Warcraft over 20 years and how you can’t look at TBC/WotLK era WoW and say that they are similar in tone to Legion-DF era WoW.

[Sondrelk]

Wow with that mentioned I am now reliving the demon fatigue from WoD 6.2 - all of Legion. I think Legion overall balanced the persistence of demon stuff pretty well given all the themes and raids, but I do remember people having green fatigue, and I think that was a reason why the last wing of the Argus raid was red.

The big mistake in Legion was having 7.2 be on the Broken Shore.
It would have taken some rewrites, but I could see Tomb being the second raid, and Nighthold being the third.

But yeah. Fel fatigue was real. Krokuun was about as much fel I could take in the last patch, and only really because it leaned heavily into the tragedy of what happened.
Antorwan Wastes was so bland by the time you got there.

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Bad example when people complained about demon fatigue and it was one of the bigger complaints of legion lore-wise

Demon fatigue did however come from the Legion having a very distinct aesthetic. The black and green areas do start to melt together the more time you spend in them.

[Santandame]

The big mistake in Legion was having 7.2 be on the Broken Shore.
It would have taken some rewrites, but I could see Tomb being the second raid, and Nighthold being the third.

But yeah. Fel fatigue was real. Krokuun was about as much fel I could take in the last patch, and only really because it leaned heavily into the tragedy of what happened.
Antorwan Wastes was so bland by the time you got there.

I think Antorus and Argus should have been more of a red colour palette, similar to the Sargerai and their wing in Hellfire Citadel.

[Nightshade711]

They're a secondary theme. The primary theme is dragons.

That said, it's no different than demons being a secondary theme in WoD and us getting a demonic invasion in Legion. I believe the main thing we should consider is that we're currently on a mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs. People are now saying we're going to another mysterious continent with dragons and titan constructs in 11.0. I don't believe that's going to happen.

Bad example because we didn’t focus WoD fighting big demon orcs. Like how we’re focusing this expansion fighting big elemental dragons.
(And not to mention the massive Fel fatigue lots of people got in Legion due to WoD being so Fel heavy. I doubt Blizz would repeat that mistake by having two heavily elemental expansions back to back)

The theme for DF is more: Elemental dragons as the primary, and titans as the secondary.

[Worldshaper]

Release candidate would be fun. Not been on the PTR since it opened, so not sure how much it realistically lacks.

The dev said they were looking forward to reactions to the "next PTR". Which could be 10.2.5, or could just mean that they were involved in something in the next build, like customization options not in previous builds.

No new build yet and realms are still up, might be tomorrow instead if realms don't go down in the next hour or 2.

*Crosses fingers*

[Teriz]

Wow with that mentioned I am now reliving the demon fatigue from WoD 6.2 - all of Legion. I think Legion overall balanced the persistence of demon stuff pretty well given all the themes and raids, but I do remember people having green fatigue, and I think that was a reason why the last wing of the Argus raid was red.

Bad example when people complained about demon fatigue and it was one of the bigger complaints of legion lore-wise

Interesting, considering that Legion is often mentioned as one of the top WoW expansions;

On MMOC:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Expansion-Poll
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ersion-to-date
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...de-(2010-2019)


Outside MMOC:
https://screenrant.com/best-wow-expa...onflight---7-7
https://estnn.com/world-of-warcraft-...best-to-worse/
https://www.hp.com/my-en/shop/tech-t...xpansion-packs

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Bad example because we didn’t focus WoD fighting big demon orcs. Like how we’re focusing this expansion fighting big elemental dragons.
(And not to mention the massive Fel fatigue lots of people got in Legion due to WoD being so Fel heavy. I doubt Blizz would repeat that mistake by having two heavily elemental expansions back to back)

Uh we did exactly that in 6.2 and spent an entire year fighting demons until Legion's release when we fought even more demons. And again, Legion is typically considered one of WoW's top expansions.

I doubt us going into an elemental expansion after DF would be a similar problem unless we're fighting more primal incarnates, which is doubtful.

[Triceron]

Maybe if the next expansion is underground it could be explored further?

What would the point be? Practically every expansion explores a new mineral resource anyways. It's not like we need to go back to 'Mithril' and 'Elementium' and 'Saronite' any more.

We'd probably get something completely new like Algarite.

[Teriz]

What would the point be?

To further explore its properties and the fall out from its mining and usage by various Azerothian factions. While they could come up with another mineral, moving forward with Azerite would make for a better narrative, instead of lazily replacing Azerite with another super mineral.

[Triceron]

To further explore its properties and the fall out from its mining and usage by various Azerothian factions.

Not much to explore when the lore already rendered its power inert.

Besides, if they were going to explore it further, it would only be addressed in tertiary form, much like how Elementium played a minor role in Legion and Dragonflight, mostly in relation to Drogbar and Deathwing.

[Worldshaper]

Release candidate would be fun. Not been on the PTR since it opened, so not sure how much it realistically lacks.

The dev said they were looking forward to reactions to the "next PTR". Which could be 10.2.5, or could just mean that they were involved in something in the next build, like customization options not in previous builds.

No new build yet and realms are still up, might be tomorrow instead if realms don't go down in the next hour or 2.

*Crosses fingers*

Do you guys know what WoW needs? A form of content that sends you around the world on a daily basis.

Sort of like World Quests. I guess they are World Quests, in fact.

Some of them, you do solo. Simple ones, based on your class, race, specialization, etc. Might be anything from "Go to Feralas and pick 10 herbs" to "Push back 50 undead in the Eastern Plaguelands". But also harder ones you do in a group, essentially 5-man bosses out in the open that are called Bounties or whatever. Roam around with a group of friends and do these.

[Teriz]

Not much to explore when the lore already rendered its power inert.

Besides, if they were going to explore it further, it would only be addressed in tertiary form, much like how Elementium played a minor role in Legion and Dragonflight, mostly in relation to Drogbar and Deathwing.

It must have some value, since its showed up on Forbidden Reach getting mined by pirates and it also showed up in Zskera Vault during the current expansion.

I do believe if we're potentially going into an underground expansion, Azerite could play an interesting role.

[Magistrate]

Interesting, considering that Legion is often mentioned as one of the top WoW expansions;

Uh we did exactly that in 6.2 and spent an entire year fighting demons until Legion's release when we fought even more demons. And again, Legion is typically considered one of WoW's top expansions.

I doubt us going into an elemental expansion after DF would be a similar problem unless we're fighting more primal incarnates, which is doubtful.

I'm not 100% sure what the argument is here, but to clarify: demon/fel fatigue was very much an often-stated issue during Legion and especially after Tanaan, Legion was my favorite expansion and me saying this doesn't contradict that, and I agree that aesthetic fatigue /can/ sink player perception but note that it's /not/ the only signifier.

I disagree with others broadly on the point that DF is an elemental expansion. DF is a dragon expansion, most of whom tend to use elemental magic (but not all, e.g., everything having to do with bronze dragons and much of the content around blue dragons, there are other exceptions). But I could see how the persistence of secondary elemental themes in DF into the potential main story of a following expansion could have the same effect as Tanaan/Broken Shore pre patch -> Legion.

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It must have some value, since its showed up on Forbidden Reach getting mined by pirates and it also showed up in Zskera Vault during the current expansion.

I do believe if we're potentially going into an underground expansion, Azerite could play an interesting role.

My best guess is that it was a too many cooks in the kitchen situation with azerite showing up in the reach. They went out of their way to establish that azerite no longer functions, but it could be that the development of this content happened at the same time that decision was being made, or before, or was just missed by whatever barebone team combs through x.x.5 patches for lore inconsistencies.

[ercarp]

I'm a bit out of the loop. Have there been any decent 11.0 "leaks" yet?

[huth]

I'm a bit out of the loop. Have there been any decent 11.0 "leaks" yet?

Nope. All good ones were shown to be wrong, so we only have garbage in droves currently.

[Nightshade711]

Uh we did exactly that in 6.2 and spent an entire year fighting demons until Legion's release when we fought even more demons. And again, Legion is typically considered one of WoW's top expansions.

And that’s the biggest issue most had with Legion.

I doubt us going into an elemental expansion after DF would be a similar problem unless we're fighting more primal incarnates, which is doubtful.

The big difference too is that the Legion arc also had way more to offer. KJ, Sargeras, and other big “legion” bad guys still haven’t been dealt with.

Whereas elementals?
Where do we go with that? Do we deal with elemental lords for a 5th time? (Vanilla, cataclysm, legion, DF, 11.0)

[Teriz]

I'm a bit out of the loop. Have there been any decent 11.0 "leaks" yet?

1. Thrall on the key art.
2. Towelilee saying its an underground expansion and then quickly removing the info.
3. Datamined Algarian Stormrider as the heroic edition pre-order mount with Storm Rider achievements.
4. Khaz Algar (from the Algarian Stormrider) being an area inside a fissure where Earthen act like standard Dwarves.

[Catastrophy349]

PTR went down.