The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

first the tinker

I’d also like a Tinker at some point but I feel like it’ll only show up when we see Undermine.

[Skildar]

I will argue that it's unfair to say that until we have seen Amirdrassil though. It could be the incredible raid we have all been waiting for.

Until then though I will agree. Vault is especially boring. And feels more like a filler raid like Gruul's lair, or Mogu'shan Vaults.

from the ptr testing that I have done, it doesn't stand out. Visually it isn't great, it feels like you're always fighting in either two rooms. Then comes Tindral and Fyrakk that each have unique arenas. Fyrakk could be mind blowing but it doesn't take away the fact that the rest of the raid isn't above good. I've had the same complaint about Vault of the incarnates that for now is the raid I will remember foundly for DF

[Wangming]

Mid because the current expansion is “short” in terms of content? Because we got ACTUAL BFA leaks only a couple days before the blizzcon announcement i remember.

Nah, we had void elves datamined way before. We just didn't know what it was. Maybe it's just nostalgia talking, but I remember a much more enthusiastic time.

[Nyel]

I'm kinda glad I'm not the only one.
Say what you will about the actual expansion, but the actual leak thread for BfA was a fucking riot. I loved it. This one is pretty mid so far.

Two reasons:

1. A lot of people simply left and never came back. Or didn't come back yet. Dragonflight is just so incredibly boring. I mean it's not bad like Shadowlands, it's just... meh. Maybe that's worse, because people don't even hate on it, they simply don't care anymore.

2. The "datamined" or suggested stuff for the upcoming expansion is just another random nonsense that doesn't create any interest besides the usual lore-fanboys or people that are lurking here. Imagine if the upcoming expansion is indeed the Dwarf snooze fest. Why would anyone outside of the mentioned bubble even care? It's too random and too niche to peak any interest. WoW needs another Legion and not another WoD.

As of now, Metzen is really the only reedeming grace and that is solely built on copium at this point because there's nothing to back it up... yet. It's so sad when Classic HC creates more hype and interest than any major patch of your recent expansion. That just shouldn't be the case... at all.

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I would say that probably the biggest change for WoW would be they can work on an expansion without the ever looming fear of a deadline that the Activision side pushes. With Microsoft, they can have more freedom to be able to work on an expansion until it is ready for launch.

An annual expansion however? Nope. After trying to speedrun through WoD that ended up a bad idea.

WoD was never meant to be that. Annual expansions would structurally be different as well. More like "seasons" that last for one year. Would this be better for WoW? Most likely not. But it would totally fall in line with all their battle pass / season bullsh*ttery from Diablo, Hearthstone & Co. And something like this could revive WoW when it's done right and not overpriced.

[fooliuscaesar13]

I am honestly pretty terrified of this Blizzcon ( because I am going in person. ) I feel some weird pressure that this one needs to be good.

I was at the Blizzcon in 2018 when they announced Diablo Immortal. It can't be worse than that. There was a massive line (that I was at the tail end of) for the hall where the Diablo Panel was taking place (iirc it was the main event hall where the opening ceremony was done). As soon as they said "mobile game", almost everyone left that line and I ended up getting a seat near the front of the stage for the Diablo panel. It was ... odd.

I hope you didn't pay reseller prices for your tickets. There are actually still tickets available...which is super fkn weird to me.

[Nyel]

Pre BfA was peak leak season which was capped off with the most incredible expansion announcement we’ve had. As much as I enjoyed BfA (it’s actually my 3rd favourite expansion, bring out the pitchforks) it’s such a shame it didn’t end up reaching the heights it could and should have.

It's even worse when you think about the peak BfA could've reached if played out properly, with separated storylines (Old Gods and faction war).

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Exactly - now you can clearly see that it is an expansion with scraped tiers/parts - which when put together looks like a circus. Nothing worth remembering - no main raid tier dat loook like SoO /e.g. remastered Cavern of time and a great raid with Nozdormu / Galakrond etc.

Problem is, none of the "endbosses" are remotely exciting. We never heard of them before Dragonflight, so there's no reason to care about them. They came and went and will forever be forgotten. It could have worked with Raszageth, but to have this lame ass raid in 10.1 with a completely irrelevant side character... that doesn't build tension. And now Fyrakk? Three side character bosses that had a shelf life of <1 year in a row just doesn't work.

[lanerios]

Towelliees in trouble, so confirmed next expansion will most likely be trash.

Tbf, Toweliee is also pretty much near trash using such attention seeking tactics like this.

He didn't leak anything, it's just another content creators cry for attention. You have these videos near every expansion announcement. "I got in trouble for being right! Just trust me bro!" And nothing ever happens to be correct.

[Wangming]

Two reasons:

1. A lot of people simply left and never came back. Or didn't come back yet. Dragonflight is just so incredibly boring. I mean it's not bad like Shadowlands, it's just... meh. Maybe that's worse, because people don't even hate on it, they simply don't care anymore.

2. The "datamined" or suggested stuff for the upcoming expansion is just another random nonsense that doesn't create any interest besides the usual lore-fanboys or people that are lurking here. Imagine if the upcoming expansion is indeed the Dwarf snooze fest. Why would anyone outside of the mentioned bubble even care? It's too random and too niche to peak any interest. WoW needs another Legion and not another WoD.

As of now, Metzen is really the only reedeming grace and that is solely built on copium at this point because there's nothing to back it up... yet. It's so sad when Classic HC creates more hype and interest than any major patch of your recent expansion. That just shouldn't be the case... at all.

Yeah, I can understand that. Maybe I'm just weird but I return here every time cause it's fun to speculate even though WoW hasn't been my main game since Pandaria. I like the vibes these threads normally give.
But I agree nothing we know, or think we know so far suggests something amazing. I have a friend who loves dwarves, so he'd be happy at least.

[Nyel]

This somehow makes sense, and also it doesn't.

It makes sense for them to rush it out as the game is E-M-P-T-Y, and they need the numbers back on track. According to most signs they're pulling a WoD on this expac (which I support 'cause I effing hate DF and am still hoping the next epac could offer me something enjoyable despite the potential theme not being my cup of tea).

But also it doesn't make any sense at all not to align something major like--considering Metzen's back and they hired 200 employees for WoW--a potentially extraordinary expansion's release with the 20th anniversary of WoW, it's like shooting yourself in the foot.

Why rush it out though? An August launch like Legion / BfA makes most sense and Dragonflight ending with 10.2 just proves that this expansion was never meant to be more than what it has been in the end. A summer release falls in line with everything else, too. 10.2 in November, one or two smaller patches to finish some storylines and then pre-patch in July / expansion in August - we'd even have a content drought of less than 10 months, which definitely is a win in their books.

[lanerios]

first the tinker

Go to trainer, get engineering. Done! /s

To be serious, I'd rather have them work on original classes rather than Bard, Tinker, Spellblade etc. They have shown with Evoker that they can create some unexpected classes.
I mean, they can even do some fun more original extra specs.

Ofcourse all of this is wishful thinking, but a person can dream

[Nebron]

Dwarf looking ogres?

If that's supposed to be a leak from the web development team, wouldn't that be the easiest thing to track down? Like, I can't imagine someone putting at risk so much so easily.

Nevertheless, it's a pretty nice quality for a leak, somewhat believable

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Do you think we’ll have a return of N’Zoth in the form of him (or his essence) being contained in the Blade of the Black Empire?

I know the blade kind of just *poofed* after Wrathion stabbed N’Zoth, but… it couldn’t really just disintegrate like that… could it?

[Wangming]

It's even worse when you think about the peak BfA could've reached if played out properly, with separated storylines (Old Gods and faction war).

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Problem is, none of the "endbosses" are remotely exciting. We never heard of them before Dragonflight, so there's no reason to care about them. They came and went and will forever be forgotten. It could have worked with Raszageth, but to have this lame ass raid in 10.1 with a completely irrelevant side character... that doesn't build tension. And now Fyrakk? Three side character bosses that had a shelf life of <1 year in a row just doesn't work.

Vanilla: Kel'Thuzad
TBC: Kil'Jaeden
Wrath: Arthas
Cata: Deathwing
Mop: Garrosh
WoD: Archimonde
Legion: Argus
BfA: N'Zoth
SL: Zovaal
Dragonflight: Fyrakk

Yeah most expansions understood the assignment.

[Nebron]

Couldnt tell you. I got married last week so I only returned to 100+ pages today and saw Bells vid on YT.

Congrats!

[Nightshade711]

first the tinker

Tinker would be nice, but I honestly don’t see it happening unless blizzard breaks their rule of having the class match the expansion theme. I just don’t see a technology themed expansion. (Unless it’s Titan related? But idk if that’d be the same)

I think BfA would have been the best expansion to add them, and if Legion wasn’t the expansion before I think they definitely would have.

[Wangming]

Do you think we’ll have a return of N’Zoth in the form of him (or his essence) being contained in the Blade of the Black Empire?

I know the blade kind of just *poofed* after Wrathion stabbed N’Zoth, but… it couldn’t really just disintegrate like that… could it?

To quote Xul from Diablo Immortal: No corpse, not dead.

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Couldnt tell you. I got married last week so I only returned to 100+ pages today and saw Bells vid on YT.

Wow, congrats

[Alanar]

Just give us Bard either as a Rogue spec or it’s own class in 11.0, please.

When ever some one mention this, I see this semi femenine guy in front of me, jumping around with hes flutes and a bunch of rats behind him.

Idk, the whole thing sounds really lame to me.. barb. :s

[NikolaiShade]

Do you think we’ll have a return of N’Zoth in the form of him (or his essence) being contained in the Blade of the Black Empire?

I know the blade kind of just *poofed* after Wrathion stabbed N’Zoth, but… it couldn’t really just disintegrate like that… could it?

Crazy Internet Theory: we meet N'zoth in a trip to the past during DF and he recognizes us. So the theory is basically that meeting us in the past N'zoth has been able to pinpoint wich possible future he will find himself in and so he could have created contingency plans. Xal'atath could be the Harbinger and the figure in the portal, so the involvement of the old gods is almost assured.

[Nathanyel]

Looks like most of those are just name changes to the Legion appearances though.

I'm talking about the naming style of "Full Transformation - XY", which to paraphrase Marlamin could just be for consistency, but might also mean there'll be forms beyond the Moonkin one which you can further customize, presumably the existing racial forms, and/or new neutral ones to which you can add racial flavor via specific customizations.

[Woggmer]

Two reasons:

1. A lot of people simply left and never came back. Or didn't come back yet. Dragonflight is just so incredibly boring. I mean it's not bad like Shadowlands, it's just... meh. Maybe that's worse, because people don't even hate on it, they simply don't care anymore.

2. The "datamined" or suggested stuff for the upcoming expansion is just another random nonsense that doesn't create any interest besides the usual lore-fanboys or people that are lurking here. Imagine if the upcoming expansion is indeed the Dwarf snooze fest. Why would anyone outside of the mentioned bubble even care? It's too random and too niche to peak any interest. WoW needs another Legion and not another WoD.

As of now, Metzen is really the only reedeming grace and that is solely built on copium at this point because there's nothing to back it up... yet. It's so sad when Classic HC creates more hype and interest than any major patch of your recent expansion. That just shouldn't be the case... at all.



WoD was never meant to be that. Annual expansions would structurally be different as well. More like "seasons" that last for one year. Would this be better for WoW? Most likely not. But it would totally fall in line with all their battle pass / season bullsh*ttery from Diablo, Hearthstone & Co. And something like this could revive WoW when it's done right and not overpriced.

True, but that isn't going to work for WoW even if they try to hamfist it into the game. They know full well not to temper with WoW's structure or else it'll be bad news. (Even if they wanted to, they could've done so at any point in previous expansions.)

Still, if Microsoft gave Blizz more freedom to adjust deadlines and make for time then Blizz could work on a revamp and make the game a fresh start for people. That is why Classic has such an appeal, it's an entirely fresh start back to 0. So the whole, "They won't have enough time or resources to make a revamp" isn't going to matter much once Microsoft takes over.

At least, that's the underlying hope in all this.