The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Bomba the Shaman]

Change my Mind: Beast Mastery should have been the melee spec

100% BM should've been melee, and surv should be dark ranger (range dps).

[doledippers]

im in dire need of a good leak, unfortunately nothing juicy likely to come as we enter the weekend. I fear I may not make it to monday

[NikolaiShade]

we'll probably hit another 1500 pages in just 3 weeks

I don't know, if some leak (real one) doesn't pop out I don't think it will get to 3000 pages

[Hitei]

im in dire need of a good leak, unfortunately nothing juicy likely to come as we enter the weekend. I fear I may not make it to monday

At this point the waters are so muddy that I don't think there is going to be an actual reasonably notable leak in the traditional sense.

We're probably only going to get some notably higher quality potential visual leak in the last three or four days.

[Nightshade711]

If I recall correctly many were saying that Blizzard would never do a race/class.

Yet the class we got aren’t even dragons as per Abberus (moreso Drakonids) Especially not the large mount-sized quadrupedal dragons. They also lack a black tank spec, bronze DPS spec (closest we have is one DPS ability via Aug), or a red healer spec.

Yet you said this in post #5 of the 3rd spec thread;

Because at the time there were no spells, strings, or visuals datamined with the “new spec remembered” quest.
Alongside the fact that blizzard said it wasn’t happening that patch.

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Change my Mind: Beast Mastery should have been the melee spec

It absolutely should have been. And they should have been allowed to dual wield like Rexxar.

[Teriz]

They don't need to because they also fought storm elementals and earth elementals.

And we fought demons in WoD and we fought more demons in Legion. I don't believe any of that really matters in the end. We're also assuming levels of elemental influence that may or may not be the case next expansion.

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Yet the class we got aren’t even dragons as per Abberus (moreso Drakonids) Especially not the large mount-sized quadrupedal dragons. They also lack a black tank spec, bronze DPS spec (closest we have is one DPS ability via Aug), or a red healer spec.

They're the playable version of dragons. Literally the best Blizzard could do with the technical limitations within the game. Also there's plenty of tanky black dragon spells and healing read dragon spells within the class. Stop being so dishonest.

Because at the time there were no spells, strings, or visuals datamined with the “new spec remembered” quest.[/
Alongside the fact that blizzard said it wasn’t happening that patch.

Yet you literally just said that once the "new spec remembered" was datamined everyone knew it was coming. However, the "New spec remembered" datamine started that thread and you were still saying a third spec wasn't happening, and that there was NO EVIDENCE for a third spec.

[Enrif]

And we fought demons in WoD and we fought more demons in Legion. I don't believe any of that really matters in the end. We're also assuming levels of elemental influence that may or may not be the case next expansion.

we didn't fought death/maw creatures at the end of BFA into Shadowlands, we didn't fought Horde/Alliance (at most the Stormheim questline, but only half of it) at the end of Legion to get into BfA, We didn't fought Orcs in Pandaria... okay, Pandaria->WoD-> Legion has a connection, but since that, it didn't happend anymore, and wasn't a thing before Pandaria.

[Teriz]

we didn't fought death/maw creatures at the end of BFA into Shadowlands, we didn't fought Horde/Alliance (at most the Stormheim questline, but only half of it) at the end of Legion to get into BfA, We didn't fought Orcs in Pandaria... okay, Pandaria->WoD-> Legion has a connection, but since that, it didn't happend anymore, and wasn't a thing before Pandaria.

The popular theory is that WoD >> Legion completes TBC's storyline, BFA >> Shadowlands completes WotLK's storyline, and Dragonflight >> 11.0 is going to complete Cataclysm's storyline. Dragonflight focused on draconic side of cataclysm, while 11.0 is going to focus on the elemental side of cataclysm. 12.0 and beyond is anyone's guess.

[Nightshade711]

The popular theory is that WoD >> Legion completes TBC's storyline, BFA >> Shadowlands completes WotLK's storyline, and Dragonflight >> 11.0 is going to complete Cataclysm's storyline. Dragonflight focused on draconic side of cataclysm, while 11.0 is going to focus on the elemental side of cataclysm. 12.0 and beyond is anyone's guess.

Or perhaps DF focused on the Draconic/elemental side of cataclysm
While 11.0 is going to focus on the void/old god side of cataclysm. Including the Naga stuff in cata.

[Well Done Steak]

You know what the game needs that hasn't been updated since I think wod?

Updated Ek and Kal loading screens!

[Enrif]

The popular theory is that WoD >> Legion completes TBC's storyline, BFA >> Shadowlands completes WotLK's storyline, and Dragonflight >> 11.0 is going to complete Cataclysm's storyline. Dragonflight focused on draconic side of cataclysm, while 11.0 is going to focus on the elemental side of cataclysm. 12.0 and beyond is anyone's guess.

it makes sense for WOD+Legion to be the BC cycle, but BfA+SL don't really fit for the WotLK. I would even say a lot of WotLK story is dealt with in DF. The whole Blue Dragon story, Tuskarr, Wyrmrest Accord=Valdraken light.

I would say, BfA features more similarities with Cata, The world is hurt, big old god influence, faction war.

[Catastrophy349]

I am all for Old Gods, Void, Naga, all of it

[Teriz]

Or perhaps DF focused on the Draconic/elemental side of cataclysm
While 11.0 is going to focus on the void/old god side of cataclysm. Including the Naga stuff in cata.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard said they're not going to do an old god/Black Empire/void expansion due to how it wouldn't allow for much environmental diversity. Which is why N'Zoth and Ny'alotha was confined to one patch.

[Nibelheimy]

Considering how Shamans being opened up to other classes has yet to happen, I imagine even if 11.0 isn't elemental themed a elemental quest line could take place to show how other races have adapted to and assimilated shamans into their ranks.

Although, could be more like how rogues, priests and mages were added. Strange how during the 'elemental' expansion something like this has yet to happen.

[Santandame]

The popular theory is that WoD >> Legion completes TBC's storyline, BFA >> Shadowlands completes WotLK's storyline, and Dragonflight >> 11.0 is going to complete Cataclysm's storyline. Dragonflight focused on draconic side of cataclysm, while 11.0 is going to focus on the elemental side of cataclysm. 12.0 and beyond is anyone's guess.

It’s not a popular theory though, it’s just one spoken about by a handful of forum members in this thread, yourself included.

You’re just assigning random patterns.

[Nightshade711]

I am all for Old Gods, Void, Naga, all of it

If blizzard is gonna add a new race next xpac I won’t be surprised if they’re Naga. There’s a good bit they can do with their customization I think, and Metzen has wanted Naga to be added in Classic.

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I'm pretty sure Blizzard said they're not going to do an old god/Black Empire/void expansion due to how it wouldn't allow for much environmental diversity. Which is why N'Zoth and Ny'alotha was confined to one patch.

Hince why they’ve started to expand the thematics of the void in Legion & now the cosmic void stuff in Aberrus.
And it’s also why we’d likely stay on Azeroth for 90% of such expansion like Legion.

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Considering how Shamans being opened up to other classes has yet to happen, I imagine even if 11.0 isn't elemental themed a elemental quest line could take place to show how other races have adapted to and assimilated shamans into their ranks.

Although, could be more like how rogues, priests and mages were added. Strange how during the 'elemental' expansion something like this has yet to happen.

Tbh I see them just saying “okay these shamans are former primalists or taught by former primalists after they saw the error of their ways”

[lanerios]

I have faith that the imaginative and talented Blizzard art team can create interesting and varied underground environments.

While I want to have that faith. Zaralek + Deepholme have proven the opposite sadly.

[Santandame]

And we fought demons in WoD and we fought more demons in Legion. I don't believe any of that really matters in the end. We're also assuming levels of elemental influence that may or may not be the case next expansion.

Demons were an optional questline in Shadowmoon and Frostfire, as well as half of Talador’s main campaign. They were featured in one dungeon - Auchindoun. Overall, demons had less presence than the Ogres, let alone the Itin Horde. Yes, the final patch and raid did pivot to demons but that was setup for the next expansion being Legion. Similar to how Siege of Orgrimmar pivoted to Garrosh’s True (Iron) Horde, with the majority of the following expansion focusing on the Iron Horde. Using that logic, then 11.0 will be a Life/Emerald Dream themed expansion, not elemental.

Your comparison isn’t similar to the situation within Dragonflight at all. Because as I’ve said to you in our previous discussion, the common denominator and general theme of the Dragonflight enemies, and dungeon and raid bosses are the elements.

[lanerios]

It’s not a popular theory though, it’s just one spoken about by a handful of forum members in this thread, yourself included.

You’re just assigning random patterns.

To defend Teriz (sentences I'd never thought I'd type) I have seen that theory quite a bit on MMO-Champ over the years. It started early Legion as a theory of "The next expansion will deal with WOTLK stuff". And ever since then it has popped up here and there.

[Nightshade711]

To defend Teriz (sentences I'd never thought I'd type) I have seen that theory quite a bit on MMO-Champ over the years. It started early Legion as a theory of "The next expansion will deal with WOTLK stuff". And ever since then it has popped up here and there.

I mean the base theory might not be entirely wrong.
If 10.0 & 11.0 are splitting Cataclysm’s themes then that is still true if the main theme of 11.0 is void/old gods etc. Given that DF occupies the Dragon/elemental sides of that.