The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Skildar]

samwise has this event called orctober where he draws orcs and encourages people to share their orc drawings. You can check it out on his youtube page, I wouldn't read anything as close to spoilery on his social media accounts

[Ersula]

We even come back in DF in search of some back-up disc of Tyr. That's where we found again the paladin that's reforming the Tyr's Guard.

It's literally just a cave. That's not the same thing as a secret underground civilization. And that's not what happened; we see a vision of Tyr's death from the Tyr data we already had from Uldaman; we don't physically go back there. Travard wasn't waiting for us there, he came to the Dragon Isles of his own volition.

Sylvanas working for some powerful evil entity was set up in the beginning of Legion when "voices" told Vol'jin to make Sylvanas warchief.

Things got much clearer as early as 7.3.5. Compare Ogmot's Dream Journal and the motivations of Sylvanas the devs were giving at the time. Over the course of BfA, it became clear enough that the fake Shadowlands leaks got a lot of the themes right as of 8.2.

Nothing about the Shadowlands leak was actually right. Except the name Shadowlands, which is a term that existed in-lore since vanilla.

In other words, even if the new expansion title contains the word "Storm" that doesn't mean Dragonflight foreshadowed it because it also included the word Storm. Would any of you be predicting a Dwarf expansion right now if the heroic mount name hadn't been a confirmed real leak?

Saying Shadowlands came out of left field is a bit daft. It was the popular consensus with what was coming next. Several characters and quest lines within BfA referenced the Shadowlands and some malevolent figure lurking there. Lich King, Odyn, Bwonsamdi, Vol’jin etc all referenced Zovaal in some vague form.

Not before Shadowlands was revealed they didn't. Bwonsamdi was referencing Muezala long before BFA.

Remember the leak that turned out to be fake? The one with the boats of That was also death themed but was it similar to anything that happened in Shadowlands? Nope. Not even a little. That leak was that Sylvanas kills everyone in Stormwind & its actually a good thing because she leads her personal army of undead to go fight the real N'zoth through Nyalotha. And so many people thought that leak was real. But despite being "death themed" it predicted nothing correctly. Not even what the maw turned out to be.

So don't try to say Sylvanas saying death one time is some sort of throughline between those two expansions because it clearly gave you nothing credible to go off of.

Indeed we do come back. It was also the place we found Xal'atath. So it's kiiiiinda important.

It's a secret cache for agents of the Old Gods. Xal was turned into a weapon & kept there. Tyr discovered it's location & attacked it. And by coincidence, it is where he died. Thus becoming a significant location to Tyr's followers. Ultimately becoming known as "Tyr's Fall." The location itself doesn't have inherent importance.

[Wangming]

It's a secret cache for agents of the Old Gods. Xal was turned into a weapon & kept there. Tyr discovered it's location & attacked it. And by coincidence, it is where he died. Thus becoming a significant location to Tyr's followers. Ultimately becoming known as "Tyr's Fall." The location itself doesn't have inherent importance.

But it shows that there are secrets buried down there. Who knows what's there that we don't know about?

[Dismayxz]

But it shows that there are secrets buried down there. Who knows what's there that we don't know about?

Theoretically (and these are just the ones I remember), 3 Artifacts are found there. Strom'kar, Tyr's Hand and Xal'atath. If there are secrets STILL buried there and they haven't been touched off-screen by anyone, that's just a plothole if anything. With that density of important shit in that little cave, that entire mountain it's on alongside the mushroom circle should be a digsite by now.

Like, that amount of stuff would 100% have attracted the Reliquary and Explorers League. Big time.

[Wangming]

Theoretically (and these are just the ones I remember), 3 Artifacts are found there. Strom'kar, Tyr's Hand and Xal'atath. If there are secrets STILL buried there and they haven't been touched off-screen by anyone, that's just a plothole if anything. With that density of important shit in that little cave, that entire mountain it's on alongside the mushroom circle should be a digsite by now.

Like, that amount of stuff would 100% have attracted the Reliquary and Explorers League. Big time.

Not that little thing. By 'there' I meant Northern EK.

[Santandame]

Not before Shadowlands was revealed they didn't. Bwonsamdi was referencing Muezala long before BFA.

Remember the leak that turned out to be fake? The one with the boats of That was also death themed but was it similar to anything that happened in Shadowlands? Nope. Not even a little. That leak was that Sylvanas kills everyone in Stormwind & its actually a good thing because she leads her personal army of undead to go fight the real N'zoth through Nyalotha. And so many people thought that leak was real. But despite being "death themed" it predicted nothing correctly. Not even what the maw turned out to be.

So don't try to say Sylvanas saying death one time is some sort of throughline between those two expansions because it clearly gave you nothing credible to go off of.

Yes, they did.

- Bwonsamdi loses Vol’jin’s soul, stating “da boss mon isn’t going to like this.”
- During BfA we are made aware that Odyn traded his eye with a dark, twisted being from the Shadowlands. In return for giving up his eye, he is able to peer into the Shadowlands. What he sees there terrifies him. We later find out he made the deal with Mueh’zela but at the time we didn’t know who it was (though we suspected Mueh’zela was Sylvanas boss because we didn’t know the Jailer existed at this point) Later in SL, we get further lore that Odyn saw the Kyrian whilst peering into the SL which inspired him to create the Val’kyr.
- During the Vol’jin questline in BfA, Bwonsamdi tells us that the Loa were not responsible for Sylvanas becoming warchief. He knew of none of them speaking to Vol’jin.
- Bolvar tells us that he is not responsible for Vol’jins return. Bolvar all throughout Legion and BfA acts incredibly out of character from the Bolvar we saw at the end of ICC. He is antagonistic, and has malevolent plans. We later learn in SL that Zovaal was influencing him.
- Sylvanas working with Helya in Legion and later learning during BfA that Helya is still active despite her apparent demise during Legion.
- The Windrunner comic that was released way before SL was announced where the Void speaks to Alleria telling her to kill Sylvanas as she serves the one true enemy.
- Ogmot’s entire journal in the Legion epilogue.
- Vol’jin stating during his BfA quest line that he feels he was manipulated before his death. That the Loa didn’t speak to him but a shadowy presence he didn’t understand.
- It’s implied throughout BfA that whoever wanted Sylvanas in charge of the Horde wanted it so to cause war.
- Jaina literally staring after the Saurfang mak’gora that Sylvanas has learned new powers from whoever she now serves.
- The conclusion to the Vol’jin quest line explicitly stating that something from the Shadowlands is interfering in events.
- The Tauren heritage armour quests stating that the Shadowlands were in disarray.

All of this was PRIOR to Shadowlands being announced. There’s a reason why pretty much every leak was surrounding the Shadowlands. Sylvanas serving some higher being was known for all of Shadowlands.

Saying that Shadowlands and The Jailer coming after BfA wasn’t anything anyone could predict is just false. Everyone predicted it. The only thing no one predicted was The Jailer. Because at the time, everyone assumed her master from the Shadowlands was Mueh’zela.

[Zers Editor]

And that's not what happened; we see a vision of Tyr's death from the Tyr data we already had from Uldaman; we don't physically go back there.

Correction: the memories of his death were collected from his dead body in the tomb, they were not on the scale initially.

[Dismayxz]

Not that little thing. By 'there' I meant Northern EK.

Oh, as in Tyr's Tomb being indicative that Lordaeron (or what used to be Lordaeron generally speaking) might house more secret Old God/Titan/Whatever shit? Possible, would be neat.

[huth]

It's literally just a cave. That's not the same thing as a secret underground civilization. And that's not what happened; we see a vision of Tyr's death from the Tyr data we already had from Uldaman; we don't physically go back there. Travard wasn't waiting for us there, he came to the Dragon Isles of his own volition.Nothing about the Shadowlands leak was actually right. Except the name Shadowlands, which is a term that existed in-lore since vanilla.

It's a secret cache for agents of the Old Gods. Xal was turned into a weapon & kept there. Tyr discovered it's location & attacked it. And by coincidence, it is where he died. Thus becoming a significant location to Tyr's followers. Ultimately becoming known as "Tyr's Fall." The location itself doesn't have inherent importance.

You didn't play either of those quests, did you? The vision happens while we're in the tomb, which is also where we meet Travard and convince him to restart the Guard. He wasn't waiting for us there, true, but only because he didn't know we would show up. He very much was there at the time.

And Xal'atath was never kept in the place. In fact, she was moving all over the place before she came there for your Shadowpriest to pick up. When Tyr attacked, Xal'atath was not present.

[Reive]

>WoW 11.0 will be shown at Blizzcon
>Story is set in underground world below Azeroth involving a lost Earthen City where they broke free of the Titans control like those that would become the Dwarves/Troggs but they DIDN'T succumb to the curse of flesh, something completely different lead to their sentience and freedom and Iridikron, Azshara and Sire Denathrius are all clashing to lay claim to this "primal force of invention".
>New form of "not-dragonriding" is crawling. Spiders, Beetles and the like are the new mounts with past mounts such as crabs and silithids being able to climb sheer walls and tiptoe across webs players would just fall through.
>Traversal is also aided by a form of universal goblin glider inspired by Breath of the Wild and Fortnite. Intended to function as a more open and freedom of choice equivalent to the harpoon from Legion
>Heavy shaman focus in story, Earthen Ring makes a return. Class itself getting major rework including a new Tanking spec. Enhance to be changed from straight dps to support in the same role as new Evoker spec.
>Game is going Free to Play
>There will still be a subscription with bonuses like extra Traders Tender, no daily/weekly raid and dungeon cap and default access to premium tracks on battlepasses

>Will follow a FFXIV style model of a .x patch then .x.5 patch a fixed period after to smooth out the player ups and downs and reactions to expectations with Dragonflight roadmap content.
>Metzen is co-writing this expansion
>A heavy intent to "fix" the alliance as the game has become heavily Horde slanted in the userbase
>THE BIG THING THAT WILL CAUSE DRAMA: There will be a new addon agreement drastically reducing the amount of handholding addons in the game. Expect high end raiders to be up in arms with this one. The days of "RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL, RUN AWAY" are over.
>Magni Bronzebeard returns are the Khdagar/Alextraza type wisened party member to accompany you on your journey
>In the greatest of twists going deep underground to a former titan installation may involve some Old God hijinks. I know. Mindblowing stuff.
>no new Races/Alliance Races/Customisation updates, no word right now on more heritage stuff.
>Native controller support is happening
>Is coming Summer 2024.

new 4chan "leak". speculate

[NikolaiShade]

Yes, they did.

- Bwonsamdi loses Vol’jin’s soul, stating “da boss mon isn’t going to like this.”
- During BfA we are made aware that Odyn traded his eye with a dark, twisted being from the Shadowlands. In return for giving up his eye, he is able to peer into the Shadowlands. What he sees there terrifies him. We later find out he made the deal with Mueh’zela but at the time we didn’t know who it was (though we suspected Mueh’zela was Sylvanas boss because we didn’t know the Jailer existed at this point) Later in SL, we get further lore that Odyn saw the Kyrian whilst peering into the SL which inspired him to create the Val’kyr.
- During the Vol’jin questline in BfA, Bwonsamdi tells us that the Loa were not responsible for Sylvanas becoming warchief. He knew of none of them speaking to Vol’jin.
- Bolvar tells us that he is not responsible for Vol’jins return. Bolvar all throughout Legion and BfA acts incredibly out of character from the Bolvar we saw at the end of ICC. He is antagonistic, and has malevolent plans. We later learn in SL that Zovaal was influencing him.
- Sylvanas working with Helya in Legion and later learning during BfA that Helya is still active despite her apparent demise during Legion.
- The Windrunner comic that was released way before SL was announced where the Void speaks to Alleria telling her to kill Sylvanas as she serves the one true enemy.
- Ogmot’s entire journal in the Legion epilogue.
- Vol’jin stating during his BfA quest line that he feels he was manipulated before his death. That the Loa didn’t speak to him but a shadowy presence he didn’t understand.
- It’s implied throughout BfA that whoever wanted Sylvanas in charge of the Horde wanted it so to cause war.
- Jaina literally staring after the Saurfang mak’gora that Sylvanas has learned new powers from whoever she now serves.
- The conclusion to the Vol’jin quest line explicitly stating that something from the Shadowlands is interfering in events.
- The Tauren heritage armour quests stating that the Shadowlands were in disarray.

All of this was PRIOR to Shadowlands being announced. There’s a reason why pretty much every leak was surrounding the Shadowlands. Sylvanas serving some higher being was known for all of Shadowlands.

Saying that Shadowlands and The Jailer coming after BfA wasn’t anything anyone could predict is just false. Everyone predicted it. The only thing no one predicted was The Jailer. Because at the time, everyone assumed her master from the Shadowlands was Mueh’zela.

You forgot to mention the many necromancer mobs in island expeditions. Although to be completely honest, at the end of BfA the two major theories where "Death" and "Dragons". After SL was announced the general opinion was a dragon-themed expansion next barring major developments.

[Wangming]

>WoW 11.0 will be shown at Blizzcon
>Story is set in underground world below Azeroth involving a lost Earthen City where they broke free of the Titans control like those that would become the Dwarves/Troggs but they DIDN'T succumb to the curse of flesh, something completely different lead to their sentience and freedom and Iridikron, Azshara and Sire Denathrius are all clashing to lay claim to this "primal force of invention".
>New form of "not-dragonriding" is crawling. Spiders, Beetles and the like are the new mounts with past mounts such as crabs and silithids being able to climb sheer walls and tiptoe across webs players would just fall through.
>Traversal is also aided by a form of universal goblin glider inspired by Breath of the Wild and Fortnite. Intended to function as a more open and freedom of choice equivalent to the harpoon from Legion
>Heavy shaman focus in story, Earthen Ring makes a return. Class itself getting major rework including a new Tanking spec. Enhance to be changed from straight dps to support in the same role as new Evoker spec.
>Game is going Free to Play
>There will still be a subscription with bonuses like extra Traders Tender, no daily/weekly raid and dungeon cap and default access to premium tracks on battlepasses

>Will follow a FFXIV style model of a .x patch then .x.5 patch a fixed period after to smooth out the player ups and downs and reactions to expectations with Dragonflight roadmap content.
>Metzen is co-writing this expansion
>A heavy intent to "fix" the alliance as the game has become heavily Horde slanted in the userbase
>THE BIG THING THAT WILL CAUSE DRAMA: There will be a new addon agreement drastically reducing the amount of handholding addons in the game. Expect high end raiders to be up in arms with this one. The days of "RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL, RUN AWAY" are over.
>Magni Bronzebeard returns are the Khdagar/Alextraza type wisened party member to accompany you on your journey
>In the greatest of twists going deep underground to a former titan installation may involve some Old God hijinks. I know. Mindblowing stuff.
>no new Races/Alliance Races/Customisation updates, no word right now on more heritage stuff.
>Native controller support is happening
>Is coming Summer 2024.

new 4chan "leak". speculate

This sounds unbelievably stupid. Not sure if that is a point for or against it.

[PotHockets]

>WoW 11.0 will be shown at Blizzcon
>Story is set in underground world below Azeroth involving a lost Earthen City where they broke free of the Titans control like those that would become the Dwarves/Troggs but they DIDN'T succumb to the curse of flesh, something completely different lead to their sentience and freedom and Iridikron, Azshara and Sire Denathrius are all clashing to lay claim to this "primal force of invention".
>New form of "not-dragonriding" is crawling. Spiders, Beetles and the like are the new mounts with past mounts such as crabs and silithids being able to climb sheer walls and tiptoe across webs players would just fall through.
>Traversal is also aided by a form of universal goblin glider inspired by Breath of the Wild and Fortnite. Intended to function as a more open and freedom of choice equivalent to the harpoon from Legion
>Heavy shaman focus in story, Earthen Ring makes a return. Class itself getting major rework including a new Tanking spec. Enhance to be changed from straight dps to support in the same role as new Evoker spec.
>Game is going Free to Play
>There will still be a subscription with bonuses like extra Traders Tender, no daily/weekly raid and dungeon cap and default access to premium tracks on battlepasses

>Will follow a FFXIV style model of a .x patch then .x.5 patch a fixed period after to smooth out the player ups and downs and reactions to expectations with Dragonflight roadmap content.
>Metzen is co-writing this expansion
>A heavy intent to "fix" the alliance as the game has become heavily Horde slanted in the userbase
>THE BIG THING THAT WILL CAUSE DRAMA: There will be a new addon agreement drastically reducing the amount of handholding addons in the game. Expect high end raiders to be up in arms with this one. The days of "RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL, RUN AWAY" are over.
>Magni Bronzebeard returns are the Khdagar/Alextraza type wisened party member to accompany you on your journey
>In the greatest of twists going deep underground to a former titan installation may involve some Old God hijinks. I know. Mindblowing stuff.
>no new Races/Alliance Races/Customisation updates, no word right now on more heritage stuff.
>Native controller support is happening
>Is coming Summer 2024.

new 4chan "leak". speculate

Lmfao nahhh

[Ersula]

- Bwonsamdi loses Vol’jin’s soul, stating “da boss mon isn’t going to like this.”
- During BfA we are made aware that Odyn traded his eye with a dark, twisted being from the Shadowlands. In return for giving up his eye, he is able to peer into the Shadowlands. What he sees there terrifies him. We later find out he made the deal with Mueh’zela but at the time we didn’t know who it was (though we suspected Mueh’zela was Sylvanas boss because we didn’t know the Jailer existed at this point) Later in SL, we get further lore that Odyn saw the Kyrian whilst peering into the SL which inspired him to create the Val’kyr.
- During the Vol’jin questline in BfA, Bwonsamdi tells us that the Loa were not responsible for Sylvanas becoming warchief. He knew of none of them speaking to Vol’jin.
- Bolvar tells us that he is not responsible for Vol’jins return. Bolvar all throughout Legion and BfA acts incredibly out of character from the Bolvar we saw at the end of ICC. He is antagonistic, and has malevolent plans. We later learn in SL that Zovaal was influencing him.
- Sylvanas working with Helya in Legion and later learning during BfA that Helya is still active despite her apparent demise during Legion.
- The Windrunner comic that was released way before SL was announced where the Void speaks to Alleria telling her to kill Sylvanas as she serves the one true enemy.
- Ogmot’s entire journal in the Legion epilogue.
- Vol’jin stating during his BfA quest line that he feels he was manipulated before his death. That the Loa didn’t speak to him but a shadowy presence he didn’t understand.
- It’s implied throughout BfA that whoever wanted Sylvanas in charge of the Horde wanted it so to cause war.
- Jaina literally staring after the Saurfang mak’gora that Sylvanas has learned new powers from whoever she now serves.
- The conclusion to the Vol’jin quest line explicitly stating that something from the Shadowlands is interfering in events.

All of this was PRIOR to Shadowlands being announced. There’s a reason why pretty much every leak was surrounding the Shadowlands. Sylvanas serving some higher being was known for all of Shadowlands.

Saying that Shadowlands and The Jailer coming after BfA wasn’t anything anyone could predict is just false. Everyone predicted it. The only thing no one predicted was The Jailer. Because at the time, everyone assumed her master from the Shadowlands was Mueh’zela.

So it foreshadowed the wrong information? Not to mention the Makgora cinematic & war campaign conclusion was released less than a month before Blizzcon 2019, where Shadowlands was revealed so those details hardly count.

Okay now use any of that vague information to accurately predict the actual events of Shadowlands. (You can't. And no one did.) (Also half the things you listed weren't from BFA. The entire thread about Odyn's eye & Sylvanas' career wasn't canon until Shadowlands. Odyn's eye is never mentioned in BFA) There are mystery box callouts. They're not substantial: For example, Sylvanas didn't need a conspiracy to become warchief because she was next in line for leadership regardless.

You forgot to mention the many necromancer mobs in island expeditions. Although to be completely honest, at the end of BfA the two major theories where "Death" and "Dragons". After SL was announced the general opinion was a dragon-themed expansion next barring major developments.

I think you all need to understand confirmation bias. There weren't more necromancers in island expeditions than any other creature type. Even so, they have no connection to the Jailer. There's necromancers & undead in every expansion somewhere.

[Dracullus]

This sounds unbelievably stupid.

So like every 4chan leak.

[NikolaiShade]

This sounds unbelievably stupid. Not sure if that is a point for or against it.

I'd say the crawling mechanic is a red flag of the leak being not that legit, considering they are working on more mounts having dragonriding it wouldn't the smartest idea if it's a soon to be abandoned feature.

Oh and they "fixed" the alliance introducing the cross-faction option lol

[Santandame]

So it foreshadowed the wrong information? Not to mention the Makgora cinematic & war campaign conclusion was released less than a month before Blizzcon 2019, where Shadowlands was revealed so those details hardly count.

Okay now use any of that vague information to accurately predict the actual events of Shadowlands. (You can't. And no one did.) (Also half the things you listed weren't from BFA. The entire thread about Odyn's eye & Sylvanas' career wasn't canon until Shadowlands.) There are mystery box callouts. They're not substantial: For example, Sylvanas didn't need a conspiracy to become warchief because she was next in line for leadership regardless.

Do you just make things up?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

new 4chan "leak". speculate

Worst "leak" i've read yet.

[Reive]

the leak is probably a shitpost but it's still better than speculating about ai crap lol

[Cheezits]

They aren't Legion-rehauling Enhancement. Dumb leak.