The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

Well that's the key; It's completely your opinion. My point is that your opinion isn't shared by others in the user base. So while you may despise engaging with Goblins, plenty of other players will probably have no issue with it since engaging with Goblins has been something we've done in Warcraft since the RTS games. None of that has any bearing on a Goblin location being a possibility for future content.

You’re going to have to provide some sources to back up your claims as the general consensus in this thread at least is that Goblins and anything relating to them is shite.

The Goblin parts of any zone in my opinion are always the worst and are a complete eyesore.

Funnily enough, I’m all for seeing Undermine, I genuinely want to. But the aesthetic needs to be wildly different from the current Goblin aesthetic in game which is no more than just pollution. Despite what you are trying to argue, that aesthetic, as already said, is fucking miserable.

[Joszef Kiprich]

she's only here to talk about her so-called marriage, which obviously doesn't fulfill her enough to seek attention here and spit on the game
what a married life xD

Just like Winter Blossom who mentioned every other post that she was an army wife. Well that's before she started to use ChatGPT writing her posts. But enough off topic from me.

[Paula Deen]

Although I personally liked Vashj’ir, I understand the issues it had.

For the longest time I really loved Vashj'r for its very strong story however has years have gone on it is really starting to show its age. Honestly pretty much anything that involves content from Cataclysm or before (Even Mists of Pandaria, the flashback quests for the Alliance & Horde where you control the other characters around the Jade Serpent Statue), all of that is aging horrendously thanks to Dragon Riding.

Highly recommend those who do not see the aging the game is having to do the Argent Tournament stuff or check out the Vigilance on Wing's quest. It truly is a sight to behold. It isn't bad, it is just not how the modern game works at all and it is kind of fun to look at.

[Harbour]

Blizzcon 2023:
Warcraft 3 Re-reforged
WoW Classic: Cataclysm
WoW: Legacy of the Titans
Revamped Northrend + 3 zones of Avaloren
Underground Azjol-Nerub zone.
Amirdrassil capital city.
Revamped Secondary Professions
Class agnostic "Torghast"
Many new race customizations for all except Dracthyr
All classes for all races except DH and Evoker
Account wide reputations
Account wide bank
Blood Mage, Fel DH, Void Priest (Support)
Earthbound Shaman (Tank)
Ambusher Rogue (Ranged DPS)
Vyranoth Betrayer, loyal to Iridikron and Xal'athat
Galakrond.
Khaz'goroth, Agrammar and Golganneth sent to re-order Azeroth with the help of the remaining Keepers.
Clash between Void, Order and us in the middle.
New premium subscription with tenders.

Sounds cool but I really doubt so many characters and villains specifically will continue to have such a presence in another expansion.
They would make it feel like it's still partially DF instead of new exciting chapter of the story.
Also I don't buy Void Priest and Ambusher rogue.

[Catastrophy349]

Cataclysm: Released on December 7, 2010
Patch 4.3 released on November 29, 2011
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Mists of Pandaria: Released on September 25, 2012
Patch 5.4 released on September 10, 2013
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Warlords of Draenor: Released on November 13, 2014
Patch 6.2 released on June 23, 2015
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 14 MONTHS

Legion: Released on August 30, 2016
7.3 released on August 29, 2017 and 7.3.5 released on January 16, 2018
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 7 MONTHS (counting 7.3.5 as final patch and 12 MONTHS counting 7.3 as final patch)

Battle for Azeroth: Released on August 14, 2018
8.3 released on January 14, 2020
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 10 MONTHS

Shadowlands: Released on November 23, 2020
9.2 released on February 22, 2022 and 9.2.5 (second part-fated season) released on August 2, 2022
Time between LAST PATCH and NEXT EXPANSION: 3-4 MONTHS (counting 9.2.5 as final patch and 9 MONTHS counting 9.2 as final patch)

Dragonflight: Released on November 28, 2022

I'll leave this post that I wrote months ago for those complaining about the downtime between "end of DF" to "start of 11.0." Enjoy.

[Teriz]

Gonna need a source on that because I've never seen a Blizzard dev verbally acknowledge Undermine at all.

At BlizzCon 2010, Alex Afrasiabi said that the goblin starting zone was only "a small segment of the actual whole' of Kezan", and that the goblins "did want to go back to Undermine and the other goblin land holdings, just a question of when."[31]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Kezan

[Darkarath]

They won't spin it like that. The part that is legendary, that everyone will enjoy, myself included, is when they reveal the 2024 Roadmap at Blizzcon on stage. The argument of an 8 month drought falls the hell apart when they present it. Even if the Fated Tier is the same tier, even if the last 2 PvP Seasons are just faction swapped sets and M+ the same dungeons with a new rotation you will have people excited.

Ok, figure WoW's 2024 Roadmap (10.2 is coming, let us say, mid-november):

- 10.2.5 - Last week of January / first week of February.
- 10.2.7 + Fated Season - Last week of April / first week of May.
- 11.0 pre-patch - Last week of June / first week of July.
- 11.0 - First week of August.
- 11.0.5 - First week of November.

This is a best case scenario, counting on an August 11.0 release. What an amazing Roadmap (ironic). We will have to wait 8 months for 11.0 and they would not be able to talk about 11.0.5. Wonderful ¡¡

BTW I do not think that 11.0 is releasing in summer, so the Roadmap would probably be even worse.

[Teriz]

You’re going to have to provide some sources to back up your claims as the general consensus in this thread at least is that Goblins and anything relating to them is shite.

The Goblin parts of any zone in my opinion are always the worst and are a complete eyesore.

Funnily enough, I’m all for seeing Undermine, I genuinely want to. But the aesthetic needs to be wildly different from the current Goblin aesthetic in game which is no more than just pollution. Despite what you are trying to argue, that aesthetic, as already said, is fucking miserable.

My source for what exactly?

I find your argument interesting considering that there are more Goblin players than Dwarf players (in other words Goblins are MORE popular than Dwarves), yet people seemingly have no issue with the idea of us venturing into Dwarven areas.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

They won't spin it like that. The part that is legendary, that everyone will enjoy, myself included, is when they reveal the 2024 Roadmap at Blizzcon on stage. The argument of an 8 month drought falls the hell apart when they present it. Even if the Fated Tier is the same tier, even if the last 2 PvP Seasons are just faction swapped sets and M+ the same dungeons with a new rotation you will have people excited.

1. Fated is not content, co-opting what 3 developers made internally to pad the end of an expansion with old content by changing attributes is not content.

2. Speeding up the expansion does not make up the lost content and the new standard set in place which leads to less content going forward for the audience.

3. You are essentially painting the audience as idiots by regarding non-content as content to be excited about.


People really are bizarrely defensive over a really negative consumer decision for some reason.

[Paula Deen]

Ok, figure WoW's 2024 Roadmap (10.2 is coming, let us say, mid-novemeber):

- 10.2.5 - Last week of January / first week of February.
- 10.2.7 + Fated Season - Last week of April / first week of May.
- 11.0 pre-patch - Last week of June / first week of July.
- 11.0 - First week of August.
- 11.0.5 - First week of November.

This is a best case scenario, counting an August 11.0 release. What an amazing Roadmap (ironic). We will have to wait 8 months for 11.0 and they would not be able to talk about 11.0.5. Wonderful ¡¡

BTW I do not think that 11.0 is releasing in summer.

You can spin it as an 8 month drought all you want but fact of the matter is that a Fated Season itself is a patch worth of content. Also to hit a summer release window all they have to do is release before September 21st. Which is highly likely.

[Darkarath]

I'll leave this post that I wrote months ago for those complaining about the downtime between "end of DF" to "start of 11.0." Enjoy.

Is this relevant to the current market? WoW cannot have those droughts anymore or it would die. Competition is crazy these days.

[Catastrophy349]

Happy Sunday ()!

[Darkarath]

You can spin it as an 8 month drought all you want but fact of the matter is that a Fated Season itself is a patch worth of content. Also to hit a summer release window all they have to do is release before September 21st. Which is highly likely.

If you think that a Fated Season is a patch worth of content I have nothing to discuss with you. Unless they seriously change fated seasons to be way more than what we got in SL, it is just re-using content. Content that we just did a few months ago. It worked once but it will not work twice.

[Catastrophy349]

Is this relevant to the current market? WoW cannot have those droughts anymore or it would die. Competition is crazy these days.

My personal opinion? People are losing their minds before anything has officially been announced. After BlizzCon, if things aren't looking "too hot," then lose your mind. Otherwise, it's just a waste of time and, honestly, it's making people look very ignorant and like their addiction to WoW is going to cause depression if it's not good (they don't get what they want).

[KOUNTERPARTS]

The equip effect text for “The Infinite Hand” weapon drop in Dawn of the Infinite mentions being able to move faster in all of the “Uld” areas of the game. It also names Uldaz as one of those capable zones, which has not been added yet.

Implication of Uldaz coming in Dragonflight? Perhaps we’ll get a 10.3 or maybe a 10.2.5?

[Makabreska]

1. Fated is not content, co-opting what 3 developers made internally to pad the end of an expansion with old content by changing attributes is not content.

2. Speeding up the expansion does not make up the lost content and the new standard set in place which leads to less content going forward for the audience.

3. You are essentially painting the audience as idiots by regarding non-content as content to be excited about.


People really are bizarrely defensive over a really negative consumer decision for some reason.

Fated was extra content, your disapproval does not change that. Vast majority of my guildies had a blast doing Fated raids and it kept them subbed.

We will either have a no patch while waiting for 11.00, or Fated patch with some stuff to do. Not sure why people want the first option.

[ercarp]

As someone who dipped out of SL in 9.1, what even is a "Fated Season"?

[Santandame]

she's only here to talk about her so-called marriage, which obviously doesn't fulfill her enough to seek attention here and spit on the game
what a married life xD

Why is this relevant and is it necessary to get so personal about someone? You can disagree with what they’re posting but that doesn’t give you carte Blanche to make immature, nasty, low comments.

The mods have been sleeping in this thread lately, sort your shit out and get on top of some of the shite that goes on in this thread at times.
@Aucald

[Teriz]

The equip effect text for “The Infinite Hand” weapon drop in Dawn of the Infinite mentions being able to move faster in all of the “Uld” areas of the game. It also names Uldaz as one of those capable zones, which has not been added yet.

Implication of Uldaz coming in Dragonflight? Perhaps we’ll get a 10.3 or maybe a 10.2.5?

Probably 10.2.5. I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to put up another mega dungeon like they did in 10.1.5.

That said, yeah Uldaz is definitely coming.

[Makabreska]

As someone who dipped out of SL in 9.1, what even is a "Fated Season"?

A weekly rotation of all previous raids with several M plus-like affixes added to boss fights that dropped higher ilvl loot. Also, new M+ affix in new dungeon pool.

Basically, a 4fun season.