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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do you all think we will have someone from Microsoft on the Blizzcon stage? Something tells me with the merger closing we might get Phil Spencer and . . . I'd rather not.
    I see no reason for Microsoft to appear in this Blizzcon unless they have some big Blizzard related Game Pass news to announce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    "Stormbreaker" wouldn't make any sense as an expansion name. WoW expansion names have always made it very clear what they're about. "Stormbreaker" doesn't say anything to anyone and sounds much more like an FFXIV expansion name. And the reason FFXIV gets away with it is that they've been doing these kind of vague expansion titles since day one. It's their thing.
    Yes it sound a bit like Stormblood isn't it?

    But as a title how clear Wrath of the Lich King or Mists of Pandaria really are? Arthas being angry wasn't really that crucial to the plot. Yes we knew who the Lich King is, the same way we know what a Storm is.
    Also was Burning Crusade ever used for the Legion's activities before TBC?
    I think we are way obsessed with patterns when it comes to logos and expansion names. Patterns that may not be there at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Do you all think we will have someone from Microsoft on the Blizzcon stage? Something tells me with the merger closing we might get Phil Spencer and . . . I'd rather not.
    100%. even if he doesn't announce anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yes it sound a bit like Stormblood isn't it?

    But as a title how clear Wrath of the Lich King or Mists of Pandaria really are? Arthas being angry wasn't really that crucial to the plot. Yes we knew who the Lich King is, the same way we know what a Storm is.
    Also was Burning Crusade ever used for the Legion's activities before TBC?
    I think we are way obsessed with patterns when it comes to logos and expansion names. Patterns that may not be there at all.
    I mean Arthas was NOT angry. The entire plot of Wrath was how Arthas was calculating and trying to create an elite group undead to use to conquer the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    100%. even he doesn't announce anything.
    "Don't you guys have Xbox?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean Arthas was NOT angry. The entire plot of Wrath was how Arthas was calculating and trying to create an elite group undead to use to conquer the world.

    Exactly. But it wasn't Gambit of the Lich King. It was Wrath of the Lich King. Probably cause it sounds cool.

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    "Don't you guys have Xbox?"
    That is essentially what the guy had to say at the NA Fan Fest. A whole ass crowd that already plays on not-X-Box and he came there to announce the X-Box version. He was a good sport about it, but I could see he was uncomfortable.

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    People are hanging onto the image being a fake due to the U being slightly thinner, but isnt the image on an angle which would warp the view and size of the letters?

    I'm personally hoping Stormbreaker is real...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    People are hanging onto the image being a fake due to the U being slightly thinner, but isnt the image on an angle which would warp the view and size of the letters?
    Yeah, I take people's reasons on why something is fake because of visual artifacts entirely per the meme
    "THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME."

    Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah, I take people's reasons on why something is fake because of visual artifacts entirely per the meme
    "THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME."

    Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.
    My thoughts exactly, people seem to be dismissing that the image is angled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post

    Not saying it is not fake, but I only bother with arguments about the content.
    I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes
    I am just saying, perhaps we need to stop dismissing things because of how they look because we are REALLY BAD at it. Let's focus on what is shown.

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    I mean, I like to think I have a pretty good eye for BS. In my leak spreadsheet for last year, I assigned a "credibility score" (on a scale of 0 to 5) to each leak and only the real leaks ended up having a score above 3.5, everything else was below 2 (closer to 0 most of the time).

    And to my eye, everything about the Stormbreaker "leak" is sending my BS detectors into overdrive. I would probably give it a 0.5 out of 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I mean pictures of Bolvar were dismissed as fake and so were stills from the DF cinematics. Our radar can be off sometimes
    To be fair i still think its weird they chose bolvar mid transformation to sell as print. Two distinct colour themes he uses in the cinematic and they chose the two seconds in between when he looks a bit fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I mean, I like to think I have a pretty good eye for BS. In my leak spreadsheet for last year, I assigned a "credibility score" (on a scale of 0 to 5) to each leak and only the real leaks ended up having a score above 3.5, everything else was below 2 (closer to 0 most of the time).

    And to my eye, everything about the Stormbreaker "leak" is sending my BS detectors into overdrive. I would probably give it a 0.5 out of 5.
    If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    My thoughts exactly, people seem to be dismissing that the image is angled
    It's not that angled. The U is very clearly not the one with the squared off bit.

    If the argument is that they use a different font for this one then sure. But this isn't the case where you can argue the image being too blurry or angled to notice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    To be fair i still think its weird they chose bolvar mid transformation to sell as print. Two distinct colour themes he uses in the cinematic and they chose the two seconds in between when he looks a bit fake.
    I can only assume going all blue would be even more weird, and there were not any good angles for when he was all red. At least not dynamic poses like what we got, only slouched on the throne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It's not that angled. The U is very clearly not the one with the squared off bit.

    If the argument is that they use a different font for this one then sure. But this isn't the case where you can argue the image being too blurry or angled to notice it.

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    I can only assume going all blue would be even more weird, and there were not any good angles for when he was all red. At least not dynamic poses like what we got, only slouched on the throne.
    All I can say is we shall see, I feel people are too quick to dismiss things here and they've been wrong many a time in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.
    "Detailed analysis" being just a vibe. But I feel the vibe too.

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    If that still from the Dragonflight cinematic came out today I probably would've thought it was AI to be honest ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    If you have time I'm interested in a detailed analysis of why you think you.
    I'm not saying I have some kind of superpower to be able to instantly tell between real and fake, and I could just as easily be mistaken the same as anyone else, but as someone who was engaged in making these fake leaks for years, when I look at some of these images I can recognize the same methods I used to try and make my leaks look more credible. The angles, the cropping, the fonts, the HTML edits, and the subtle weaving of established lore and facts into new but seemingly plausible BS...

    But as @Merryck said, it mostly comes down to a vibe. It's hard for me to give a detailed analysis as I'm not the best with words and I don't know the exact terminology for all of this stuff. But I'll continue to trust my gut on this stuff, for better or for worse. I'm okay with being told that I was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    "Detailed analysis" being just a vibe. But I feel the vibe too.

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    If that still from the Dragonflight cinematic came out today I probably would've thought it was AI to be honest ...
    People looked at it and were 100% convinced the figure in it was Garrosh due to it being a copy-paste of his model.
    Now we know G-man is nowhere near the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I'm not saying I have some kind of superpower to be able to instantly tell between real and fake, and I could just as easily be mistaken the same as anyone else, but as someone who was engaged in making these fake leaks for years, when I look at some of these images I can recognize the same methods I used to try and make my leaks look more credible. The angles, the cropping, the fonts, the HTML edits, and the subtle weaving of established lore and facts into new but seemingly plausible BS...

    But as @Merryck said, it mostly comes down to a vibe. It's hard for me to give a detailed analysis as I'm not the best with words and I don't know the exact terminology for all of this stuff. But I'll continue to trust my gut on this stuff, for better or for worse. I'm okay with being told that I was wrong.
    Well hard to argue with vibes and gut feelings. All I know is I have no idea how HTML edits work and I'm always open to new stuff from people more knowledgable than I.
    At any rate to me it seems much more plausible than the one before with the Agarrians or however they were called.

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    I also think a bit of pre-conceived bias can come into it as well when determining if something is fake or legit.

    The Stormbreaker ''leak'' implies seafaring content, which would ultimately mean pirates in some form. Going off this thread when pirates were being theorised, a lot of people were vehemently against the idea, and were all too willing to accept ''no pirates'' as gospel. If you're not a fan of something, you're going to subconsciously be more sceptical of a leak because you wont want the idea to come to pass.

    On the other hand, I'm more leaning towards it being real, and admittedly part of that is because I would love a seafaring/pirate/south seas expansion - so it goes both ways.

    Alternatively, we've seen it when we've had world revamp leaks, some cling onto that possible leak as being the more likely one. And so on with other concepts such as underground, elements, Lightbound etc.

    For what its worth in my heart of hearts I still believe ultimately that its just going to be a mysterious island to the west shrouded in storms, voila its Avaloren with Iridikron and Xal'atath and just essentially DF 2.0 with a fresh lick of paint with new zones, and no real big defining features.

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    It's called they're on huge amounts of copium

    Every legitimate leak that has come through here throughout the years had these same people picking apart everything down to the pixel and it still came out to be true lol.

    "No way a dragon race would look like this"
    "Look at the clipping!"
    "Oh the D in dragonflight looks off compared to other fonts"

    Folks came up with some wild reasons why they thought scaleface was false.

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