The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

What you are proposing is basically zones with the size of a third or a quarter of a continent connected by a central hub. Which is exactly what SL was.

No, half the size of continents, like Kul’Tiras and Zandalar.

[Sondrelk]

It’s something different, and clearly part of the lore. It should be attempted if only for the sake of thematic diversity.

Same could be said for fully underwater zones like Vashj'ir, or even weird compromise zones like Nazjatar, but that doesn't make it a good idea to base an entire expansion around them.

Make one or two really good underground areas, and have the rest be more standard stuff to not make players burn out.

[Jaggler]

No, half the size of continents, like Kul’Tiras and Zandalar.

Yeah, but you examples were more than two, and it's kinda unfeasable to expect more than one continent in terms of sizesoe if you spread it out over three or fours zones, you just get SL's structure again.

[Teriz]

Which is why I said basically separate continents.

Which can be replicated with Underground zones.

People still won’t like several disconnected zones.

Again, they enjoyed the disconnected zones of KT and Zandalar just fine.

Chances are we’re going west of Kalimdor & having the standard large continents. At most we might have one or two underground zones.
I think the main city will be like Ironforge being built into Khaz Algar.

Maybe, but like I said, I don’t think Blizzard is going to do the mysterious continent off the coast of an established continent back to back. They tend to go a different route.

In addition, all the dwarf stuff has me thinking that Khaz Algar is located beneath the Eastern Kingdoms. Perhaps north of Arathi Highlands.

[Santandame]

No, half the size of continents, like Kul’Tiras and Zandalar.

But your original point was Undermine beneath Kezan, Azjol Nerub beneath Northrend, Khaz Algar beneath the Eastern Kingdoms.

It’s very likely we only get 4/5 zones again this expansion. So that’s 3 zones already that are massive amounts of distance apart so how do you make that feel cohesive without doing another SL?

It’s nothing like KT/Zandalar. Because despite what you say, they were still their own continents despite being the smallest continents we’ve had. Each continent was cohesive with their zones.

So how do you propose zones as spread out as you’ve suggested, three of which are on three separate continents, are made to feel cohesive without making it similar to Oribos with the SL zones?

[Teriz]

Yeah, but you examples were more than two, and it's kinda unfeasable to expect more than one continent in terms of sizesoe if you spread it out over three or fours zones, you just get SL's structure again.

Nah, you do two major areas to start, like KT and Zandalar. Over the course of patches you add more zones, like they did with Zaralek, Nazjatar, Mechagon, and the upcoming Emerald Dream zone.

[Santandame]

Nah, you do two major areas to start, like KT and Zandalar. Over the course of patches you add more zones, like they did with Zaralek, Nazjatar, Mechagon, and the upcoming Emerald Dream zone.

Kul Tiras and Zandalar were not disconnected zones within their own continent. They were disconnected from each other, as in the two continents themselves.

What you are proposing based off your zone choices would be another Cataclysm or SL in terms of zone immersion.

[pacotaco]

OK I wonder how this will work. Maybe the game will go F2P with the trading post used to back up a battle pass that is separate to the game pass with Game Pass just giving you the base game?

No need. Game Pass working as current subscription but without the Tendies.

[Nymrohd]

But your original point was Undermine beneath Kezan, Azjol Nerub beneath Northrend, Khaz Algar beneath the Eastern Kingdoms.

It’s very likely we only get 4/5 zones again this expansion. So that’s 3 zones already that are massive amounts of distance apart so how do you make that feel cohesive without doing another SL?

It’s nothing like KT/Zandalar. Because despite what you say, they were still their own continents despite being the smallest continents we’ve had. Each continent was cohesive with their zones.

So how do you propose zones as spread out as you’ve suggested, three of which are on three separate continents, are made to feel cohesive without making it similar to Oribos with the SL zones?

I'll say again, Hollow World. You have 4-5 zones which have a vertical part going from the surface to the underground and then they all have a flat part inside the Hollow world and they all have connected parts within the Hollow World area.

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No need. Game Pass working as current subscription but without the Tendies.

Every time someone calls them Tendies I wonder where humanity went wrong.

[Santandame]

I'll say again, Hollow World. You have 4-5 zones which have a vertical part going from the surface to the underground and then they all have a flat part inside the Hollow world and they all have connected parts within the Hollow World area.

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Every time someone calls them Tendies I wonder where humanity went wrong.

I’m not really in the know with the Hollow Earth idea, just the aesthetic I’ve seen.

Would you be able to make this work in terms of several zones spread out geographically? I have no idea of the physics side of it.

I love the idea of an underground expansion, just not how Teriz is presenting it.

[Nymrohd]

I’m not really in the know with the Hollow Earth idea, just the aesthetic I’ve seen.

Would you be able to make this work in terms of several zones spread out geographically? I have no idea of the physics side of it.

That's where I stumble as well; the physics are the hard part because you effectively have to inverse gravity at some point (and then have a curved gravity plane).

How I'd imagine it is this:
You enter Azjol Nerub from Northrend, you get a largely vertical zone where the subzones are stacked vertically (possibly with little hidden areas in small side caverns) then at some point the zone bottoms up and there is a transition into the Hollow World part. Problem is how do you do gravity; is everything still falling towards the center? then the inside of the Hollow world cannot really be used.
At the same time, Kalimdor, Northrend, EK are all within less than a hemisphere. So instead of a Hollow world with a full sphere inside you could have a half sphere inside the planet, Light coming from the core in the middle and effectively just a very large zone on the ground with the World Soul in the middle and access to the other zones through breaks in the zone ceiling.

Wish I had access to autoCad, I could give you a proper schematic.

[Kiria]

I'll say again, Hollow World. You have 4-5 zones which have a vertical part going from the surface to the underground and then they all have a flat part inside the Hollow world and they all have connected parts within the Hollow World area.

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Every time someone calls them Tendies I wonder where humanity went wrong.

I think of chicken tendies.... omg I miss chicken tendies.. you have no idea how hard it is to get chicken tendies where I live Q.Q

[Nymrohd]

I think of chicken tendies.... omg I miss chicken tendies.. you have no idea how hard it is to get chicken tendies where I live Q.Q

Just make them.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

They should make chicken tendies a new currency in next expansion for cooking profession.

[Kiria]

Just make them.

I'm buying a fryer this weekend, exactly for that reason oh and to make Fish in batter for chipshop nights.

[Nebron]

I’m embracing the idea that maybe the next expansion is us going beneath the existing areas and finding new underground zones. Just like Zaralek is under Dragon Isles, Undermine is under Kezan, and Azjol Nerub is under Northrend. What if new zones like Khaz Algar is under the Eastern Kingdoms? What if we use dragon ride through tunnels to get to those locations?

I dunno, I simply don’t buy the notion that we’re going to another lost continent controlled by Titan constructs and dragons.

What would be the idea for skyboxes in the underground zones? This seems to be tricky to pull-off I think. It needs to be implemented the way, you are barely able to recognize being underground. Otherwise, it's pretty claustrophobic, and as far as a single location, i.e. Deepholm or Zaralek, it might work, but as an overall theme, it's a risky thing from the environmental and artistic point of view.

When I think of "the other side of Azeroth" I want them to avoid the idea of collection of islands, but adapt the huge continent of Kalimdor / EK vibe, somehow blocking parts of the continent for future expansions. With dragonriding it might be difficult, but I guess it's doable - magical barrier / mist / void blockade, massive mountain range, higher than the dragonriding is able to go for, etc. Islands make the world feel disjointed, and it simply looks stupid

[Sondrelk]

I'm buying a fryer this weekend, exactly for that reason oh and to make Fish in batter for chipshop nights.

I would caution against buying a fryer unless you use it constantly. It's a nightmare to clean unless you specifically go looking for ones that are easier to clean.

If you just fry stuff occasionally I would stick to a regular pan.

[Nymrohd]

They should make chicken tendies a new currency in next expansion for cooking profession.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=32685/o...hicken-fingers

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I'm buying a fryer this weekend, exactly for that reason oh and to make Fish in batter for chipshop nights.

You can always do them in the oven. Far less cleaning and quite healthier.

[Teriz]

Kul Tiras and Zandalar were not disconnected zones within their own continent. They were disconnected from each other, as in the two continents themselves.

And that’s exactly what I’m proposing; two underground continents the size of KT and Zandalar; disconnected from each other, but having connected zones within themselves with more zones coming in each patch, just like every expansion.

Conversely, “hollow earth” works as well.

[Xilurm]

Not sure why people think WoW would go F2P. PC only gamepass costs 9.99 euros. Even people who want to play just WoW would have to pay that.

Every time someone calls them Tendies I wonder where humanity went wrong.

I love how people instinctively started calling them tendies. Me and my friends did that without seeing anyone else do it, and I see that other people just do that as well.