The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

That isn't because of the world content, that is because rewards aren't infinite and people aren't going to keep doing the same thing forever if they're not getting something tangible out of it relatively quickly. Just because Kara chess event or Flame Leviathan are interesting and unique fights that are amusing to do more than once doesn't mean you still want to do them just for the sake of doing them two months in when your whole raid team has anything they could want off that boss.

See it worked in MoP though. Because Valor kept giving you very strong rewards until late in the each patch cycle and you could get Valor doing anything. Instead of having ONE reward system for all the different forms of outdoor content, each one of them has its own (or a couple of versions at once with their own currencies in your bags for an event that will last 8 weeks . . .) Let's not pretend the solution to world content mattering does not exist. Create a reward track that awards SLOWLY heroic ilvl gear and people would keep doing activities to progress in that track.

I am not sure I am seeing the higher than average encounter complexity. Vault and Aberrus are no BRF. As for total areas added in the game, that would take data I just don't have in front of me; how much space was added in Legion if you count all the small scenario areas; how much was added in BfA when you count about a dozen island expeditions and all the work that went into updating Darkshore and Arathi and creating the Uldum and Vale phases?

[Xilurm]

azure world CHILLer and the pet Lil'FROSTwing are for the anniversary event.

both cataclysm flavored, but also both cold flavored.

The Primalists Future is also quite a cold area.

Do not trust Vyranoth.

That would be a plot twist.

[lanerios]

I guess you're talking about my quote and read it again as i mention it about myself and me being painted as such
" well, i guess i feel better painted as some kind of doomer than a yes man that thinks everything is great and noone can't dislike anything that is in DF".

The dude i was responding to pretty much came out with stupid stuff like -
"if you think dragonflight is unsatisifying to you, you should just give up on wow because at this point youre just complaining to be complaining until the next expansion release to talk about how great DF was"

Which pretty much looks like this - You just can't be unsatisfied with this expansion or certain features that are front and center of an expansion , if you are you should just quit wow.
Every argument you have and problem you listead about said expansion is just complaining to just to be complaining just to praise last expansion when new releases - which is bullshit because i still won't say a good word about SL and many things about BFA.

There is one fact tho about BFA, it eats DF alive when it comes to design and feeling of the zones created in that expansion, especially boralus for alliance as mainhub eats Valkdrakken on breakfast.

And funnily enough, BFA was hated at the end of it.. just like DF is now. There is 1 certainty with the WoW playerbase, no matter what side:

Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best.

It's hilarious really.

[Ersula]

Even kicking a can down the street is fun when you're doing it with friends.

All of my friends jumped ship before 9.1 and never came back, so DF has primarily been a solo experience for me. And I'll tell you what, it does not stand on its own.

Unless you have a group of friends to play and laugh at all the terrible writing with, DF is not worth the time imo.

This is mainly why this is doomer commentary & we're tired of seeing it here... in a speculation thread. They just said they're still playing despite all their friends quitting. By your own logic that means the game is fun on its own actually.

[Nymrohd]

Nazjatar and Mechagon lasted for way longer than Zaralek Caverns IMO. At least I remember spending months there and quite a lot of players were around. Especially in Mechagon, which was more fun IMO, maybe not so much in Nazjatar.

I would say that Forbidden Reach was quite fun and successful for what it is, and It lasted more than ZC, which died pretty quickly.

The Fyrakk event is nice and easy. Just another thing to do. It is ok and I still see players doing it. Time Rifts are a success and many people still do them. We will see how long 10.2 World Events remain important.

I agree that none of these events were groundbreaking, but hey, they are trying quite a lot of things. The worst one was Primalist Future, and IMO they have been improving with every patch.

I think that all this variety of events are nice and they should keep doing them. The problem are the rewards. It would be cool to have a World Events / Quests progression in some way. Maybe something as simple as a bar that fills as we do WQs and Events, and when it reachs the end we get some gold, some random transmogs, a chance of pets and mounts... They do not even have to be new. Plenty of all those rewards in WoW's 20 years history.

For me Nazjatar lasted for very long because of world pvp. Those running battles between the horde and alliance base were extremely common in Argent Dawn. Also those zones had better meta achievements. The Zaralek caverns achievements largely depend on the researchers under fire event and good luck getting those done these days.

But the reason Reach lasted long was because you could take an alt there, join the rare train and between item token and the upgrade books you would reach a very good ilvl with a few hours of grinding. Same is just not true with Zaralek rares and absolutely is not true with Dreamsurge rares.

[NikolaiShade]

A sort of mix between Torghast and Deaths of Chromie could hit the sweet spot.

I was thinking exactly that, death of chromie but "faster"

[Nymrohd]

That would be a plot twist.

A welcome one but given she is getting the blessing of the tree. . .

[Wangming]

And funnily enough, BFA was hated at the end of it.. just like DF is now. There is 1 certainty with the WoW playerbase, no matter what side:

Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best.

It's hilarious really.

Or maybe, just maybe...and here is a shocking revelation:

Drumroll.....

Failed expansions don't always fail at the same thing.

[Nymrohd]

A sort of mix between Torghast and Deaths of Chromie could hit the sweet spot.

Torghast gameplay, Island Expeditions content imo. Deaths of Chromie-style would be a great addition for solo players if it could give you an assistant for specs that reallly need a tank.

[Wangming]

A welcome one but given she is getting the blessing of the tree. . .

It is quite unlikely, yes.
Imagine if the blessing is actually a curse in disguise and he nelves are still homeless.

[Nymrohd]

This is mainly why this is doomer commentary & we're tired of seeing it here... in a speculation thread. They just said they're still playing despite all their friends quitting. By your own logic that means the game is fun on its own actually.

Imo beyond speculation we also talk a lot about what we'd like to see. Which definitely involves talking about what we have right now and how it is or is not working.

[Jaggler]

And funnily enough, BFA was hated at the end of it.. just like DF is now. There is 1 certainty with the WoW playerbase, no matter what side:

Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best.

It's hilarious really.

Man, most people HATED MoP and some time at the end of WoD/at the start of Legion moP was started being hailed as a golden era of WoW.

[Shadowferal]

This is mainly why this is doomer commentary & we're tired of seeing it here... in a speculation thread. They just said they're still playing despite all their friends quitting. By your own logic that means the game is fun on its own actually.

Umm..wut?
If I recall, the big "revelation" was that at least half posting no longer have active subscriptions.

[ercarp]

All mine left when Zaralek dropped and are playing other things, I've been trying desperately to get them back to being interested, while some are saying they will return to see what 10.2 is like most of them have just gone dormant, Hell I still try and drill up talking in Discord everyday to try and keep people engaged, sadly im still alone in the game and I want this to change.

I think something needs to change with the game, not us or our friends. Obviously any game is made more enjoyable when played with friends, but it shouldn't feel like you have to do that in order to get even a little bit of enjoyment out of the game.

During Legion, I played mostly solo and I was having a blast. The lore and story were good, M+ was still fresh, there was plenty of content and a steady patch cycle, and the future of the franchise looked optimistic. Now, the lore and story are... not good, M+ is a shell of its former self, and the future of the franchise looks worse with every passing year. DF has had a solid patch cycle though, I'll give it that.

Bit of a doomer take, I guess. I'm still hopeful that the game can change for the better, especially now with Metzen back on the team, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

And funnily enough, BFA was hated at the end of it.. just like DF is now. There is 1 certainty with the WoW playerbase, no matter what side:

Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best.

It's hilarious really.

I mean BFA didn't have good reception through the expansion not only end of it.. Actually if i remember correctly when it comes to last patch features, wasn't end of BFA praised for the corruption and visions systems?


"Current expansion is shit, and <insert random past expansion here> was the best." i mean a portion of playerbase is saying that, im not one of those people and will never be, i posted a longer post about what i like and dislike about DF in different thread and i will never praise either Shadowlands or BFA as top tier expansions.

[Xilurm]

people hating on dragonflight really need to take off the nostalgia pill and rose tinted glasses and realize its one of the first expansions in a long time we've had since legion. because bfa and sl were a hot mess not just for the game but for its legacy and blizzard as a whole...

People need to stop with this hot take. Are the new employees literally incapable of creating quality content because they ain't assholes or something? What kind of logic is that?

If anything, now that employees aren't harassed, or made to crunch or whatever else have you when it comes to bad practices then they should be eager to do better work?

[ercarp]

This is mainly why this is doomer commentary & we're tired of seeing it here... in a speculation thread. They just said they're still playing despite all their friends quitting. By your own logic that means the game is fun on its own actually.

I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing what we dislike about the current game and what we hope to see changed in the future. I think all of that still falls under the umbrella of speculation, but I can see how it could be construed differently. It's also nearly impossible to stay 100% on topic 100% of the time, especially when you're replying to someone else.

[Xilurm]

A welcome one but given she is getting the blessing of the tree. . .

Maybe that was the plan all along.

DUN DUN DUUUUUN....

[FelPlague]

Doubt it, wearing squid-face isn't befitting of our Goddess of the moon!

Very true
Also wonderful signature.

[Kiria]

I think something needs to change with the game, not us or our friends. Obviously any game is made more enjoyable when played with friends, but it shouldn't feel like you have to do that in order to get even a little bit of enjoyment out of the game.

During Legion, I played mostly solo and I was having a blast. The lore and story were good, M+ was still fresh, there was plenty of content and a steady patch cycle, and the future of the franchise looked optimistic. Now, the lore and story are... not good, M+ is a shell of its former self, and the future of the franchise looks worse with every passing year. DF has had a solid patch cycle though, I'll give it that.

Bit of a doomer take, I guess. I'm still hopeful that the game can change for the better, especially now with Metzen back on the team, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I think the banter in chat and organizing things together makes the world of difference instead of silent pugs so I agree something is pushing people away.

I still play everyday, infact I've gone all the way back to the beginning of the game and started with the addon ATT.