The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

In what world is the Undermine, a place only really mentioned in quest descriptions and item descriptions, a more well-known underground area than Azjol'nerub?

I know Teriz is a meme, but c'mon, it's pretty clear from his response that he means more well-known IN GAME UNIVERSE, not more well-known by us, players. Undermine is something like Kul Tiras before BfA.

Even if we explored some parts of Azjol'Nerub in game, it still mystery underworld old god kingdom, not city of goblin faction we didn't met yet.

[Teriz]

Anything they wanted in vanilla doesn't matter. I mean shit anything they wanted in like Legion doesn't matter at this point. That was so long ago and anyone that even slightly wanted to add X thing 20 years ago may not even be alive anymore much less working at Blizzard.

You do know that Dragon Isles was also something that they cut from vanilla WoW correct? Also Undermine has been referenced several times since vanilla, while the Dragon Isles wasn't referenced until the end of BFA when Wrathion was looking for it. Today, Dragon Isles is the main continent in the current WoW expansion. There's no reason Undermine wouldn't end up in a similar situation.

[Dismayxz]

I mean, literally just think about it. Another pseudo-techno zone filled with retarded joke races and having to sit through that zone's questing while every second quest is something blowing up in some supposedly somewhat intelligent mechanics/engineers face, while those god awful insufferable cranky ass overplayed New York accents rape your ears. Just no, please for the love of god just let those joke races fade into obscurity or make them interesting before they bust out their Underwhatever.

What a great Expansion zone, I am thrilled, if you can't tell. Just no. Azjol Nerub, another dwarven city, there's a dozen things more interesting than ever giving that shit the light of day again. And you just know you'll be driving around in some goblin car the entire damn zone playing pseudo GTA.

[Civciv]

Why are we engaging with that guy again?

[Woggmer]

Anything they wanted in vanilla doesn't matter. I mean shit anything they wanted in like Legion doesn't matter at this point. That was so long ago and anyone that even slightly wanted to add X thing 20 years ago may not even be alive anymore much less working at Blizzard.

Nazjatar, The Dragon Isles, Kul'tiras, Zandalar, all those things people wanted over a decade ago and they delivered (even if it didn't go the way players had expected).

The Undermine is the only thing left that we haven't explored that was promised all those years ago... Once the Undermine has been explored (and the possibility of a revamp) anything else here after would be entirely original stuff that is completely new to Warcraft as a whole.

[Nightshade711]

Anything they wanted in vanilla doesn't matter.
I mean shit anything they wanted in like Legion doesn't matter at this point. That was so long ago and anyone that even slightly wanted to add X thing 20 years ago may not even be alive anymore much less working at Blizzard.

I mostly agree with this.
They wanted to add Naga in classic, and Ogres in Cata. Both of which had perfect expansions to add them in, especially Ogres in BfA. Hell, the technical limitations on playable Naga with visible gear isn’t even an issue anymore because if Dracthyr can’t show anything it’d be ok for a Naga to not show boots.

The list goes on with things they’ve wanted to add but didn’t.

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Nazjatar, The Dragon Isles, Kul'tiras, Zandalar, all those things people wanted over a decade ago and they delivered (even if it didn't go the way players had expected).

The Undermine is the only thing left that we haven't explored that was promised all those years ago... Once the Undermine has been explored (and the possibility of a revamp) anything else here after would be entirely original stuff that is completely new to Warcraft as a whole.

There was also the massive continent sized Titan facility/city south of Kalimdor that hasn’t been added

[Woggmer]

I mean, literally just think about it. Another pseudo-techno zone filled with retarded joke races and having to sit through that zone's questing while every second quest is something blowing up in some supposedly somewhat intelligent mechanics/engineers face, while those god awful insufferable cranky ass overplayed New York accents rape your ears. Just no, please for the love of god just let those joke races fade into obscurity or make them interesting before they bust out their Underwhatever..

Then maybe they can use the Undermine as a reason to fix the Goblins and not make them into a joke race...

Heck, Mechagnomes explored the concept of Transhumanism by replacing their bodies with machinery. Even the Gilbin in Nazjatar were actually taken more seriously than their goblin counterparts.

[Teriz]

because people are bored and actually love to argue with him to pass the time

in other words, they're just as much trolls as you-know-who

Interesting that people view speculating about warcraft content as "trolling".

[Woggmer]

There was also the massive continent sized Titan facility/city south of Kalimdor that hasn’t been added

Are you sure that isn't just Uldum?

I'm not trying to sound hostile or backsass, but that is what Uldum is supposed to be. A city built over a titan facility.

If not then, I don't see why they shouldn't add it in at this point especially with the whole "continent west of Kalimdor"

[PotHockets]

I mostly agree with this.
They wanted to add Naga in classic, and Ogres in Cata. Both of which had perfect expansions to add them in, especially Ogres in BfA. Hell, the technical limitations on playable Naga with visible gear isn’t even an issue anymore because if Dracthyr can’t show anything it’d be ok for a Naga to not show boots.

The list goes on with things they’ve wanted to add but didn’t.

Yeah pretty much. There's lot's of little things or big features that I'm sure they've wanted to add or worked on adding over the years but looking at something mentioned historically as anything other than a what if or a maybe if they can make it work is just ignoring the reality of just how many people have worked on the game over the years vs what the current team working on the game wants and if X feature is even viable or fun in the first place.

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You do know that Dragon Isles was also something that they cut from vanilla WoW correct? Also Undermine has been referenced several times since vanilla, while the Dragon Isles wasn't referenced until the end of BFA when Wrathion was looking for it. Today, Dragon Isles is the main continent in the current WoW expansion. There's no reason Undermine wouldn't end up in a similar situation.

Dragon Isles existing in lore has nothing to do with an almost entirely different dev team with an entirely different approach making an entirely different take on something that existed in lore before WoW even released. It'd be like using the Michael Keaton Batman movies as evidence for what the sequel to The Batman is gonna be about.

[Teriz]

I mean, literally just think about it. Another pseudo-techno zone filled with retarded joke races and having to sit through that zone's questing while every second quest is something blowing up in some supposedly somewhat intelligent mechanics/engineers face, while those god awful insufferable cranky ass overplayed New York accents rape your ears. Just no, please for the love of god just let those joke races fade into obscurity or make them interesting before they bust out their Underwhatever.

What a great Expansion zone, I am thrilled, if you can't tell. Just no. Azjol Nerub, another dwarven city, there's a dozen things more interesting than ever giving that shit the light of day again. And you just know you'll be driving around in some goblin car the entire damn zone playing pseudo GTA.

To be fair, considering that Goblins are middle of the road in terms of racial popularity (there's more Goblin players than Worgen and Dwarves for example), there's quite a contingent of players that enjoy all the stuff you just mentioned.

Also as I said before, Undermine could just be a jumping off point, our base of operations where we get supplies and gear in order to explore the deeper areas of Azeroth.

[Teriz]

Dragon Isles existing in lore has nothing to do with an almost entirely different dev team with an entirely different approach making an entirely different take on something that existed in lore before WoW even released. It'd be like using the Michael Keaton Batman movies as evidence for what the sequel to The Batman is gonna be about.

Except that's my point; Dragon Isles DIDN'T exist in lore, it was simply cut content that people talked about every now and then. It didn't become lore until the end of BFA. Undermine has been lore since WC3, and its also cut content that gets mentioned on a consistent basis. It sort of helps that we have major characters and a race that are directly tied to that location.

when you spend your time spamming that the next expansion will take place underground, it's no longer speculation, sir
especially since you want to be right

Uh it's still speculation. Me offering the underground concept as an alternative possibility doesn't push it out of speculation territory.

Also interesting how me responding to people talking about an underground concept is considered "spamming". I thought responding to posts was the purpose of forums.

[Dismayxz]

To be fair, considering that Goblins are middle of the road in terms of racial popularity (there's more Goblin players than Worgen and Dwarves for example), there's quite a contingent of players that enjoy all the stuff you just mentioned.

Also as I said before, Undermine could just be a jumping off point, our base of operations where we get supplies and gear in order to explore the deeper areas of Azeroth.

That racial popularity is a little whatever in the world of Racials existing. Goblins themselves are fucking miserable to engage with imo, but the race itself as a Gameplay thing has pretty decent stuff coming with it. Casters have quite often used (and still do) the goblin rocket jump as a tool to quickly reposition or get around or otherwise deal with mechanics. And just flat haste isn't a bad deal for a lot of those/(classes) either.

[PotHockets]

Except that's my point; Dragon Isles DIDN'T exist in lore, it was simply cut content that people talked about every now and then. It didn't become lore until the end of BFA. Undermine has been lore since WC3, and its also cut content that gets mentioned on a consistent basis. It sort of helps that we have major characters and a race that are directly tied to that location.

It existed at the same level of lore relevance as Undermine in WC3 which is to say barely at all, and even then it's almost more so than Undermine because Dragon Isles was an actual map you could play on. An Undermine expansion or zone or capital could happen but that doesn't mean it will and there is 0 indication that the current dev team gives a single shit about anything to do with Goblins.

[Dismayxz]

when you spend your time spamming that the next expansion will take place underground, it's no longer speculation, sir
especially since you want to be right

That's not why people are on Teriz's ass this time around. We have plenty to go on that it probably will happen to have underground stuff. The question more often is what or completely different things/topics. On this one, I would dare and assume people wouldn't exactly disagree with him. It's not a given, a locked in fact. But it is highly likely.

[Teriz]

It existed at the same level of lore relevance as Undermine in WC3 which is to say barely at all, and even then it's almost more so than Undermine because Dragon Isles was an actual map you could play on. An Undermine expansion or zone or capital could happen but that doesn't mean it will and there is 0 indication that the current dev team gives a single shit about anything to do with Goblins.

Uh no it didn't. Again, Undermine has been a part of WoW lore since the beginning. There was no reference to Dragon Isles in the lore until BFA. There was a rumored homeland of dragons since WC2, but that was never confirmed in the lore. Meanwhile Undermine has been referenced constantly since vanilla, and even appeared on early WoW maps (as did Dragon Isles). We've also had a playable race since Cataclysm that also referenced Undermine constantly.

None of that is really the point though; The point is that Blizzard has used cut content from vanilla in the modern game, the biggest example being the current expansion. That completely contradicts your notion that cut content from vanilla "no longer matters".

That racial popularity is a little whatever in the world of Racials existing. Goblins themselves are fucking miserable to engage with imo,

Well that's the key; It's completely your opinion. My point is that your opinion isn't shared by others in the user base. So while you may despise engaging with Goblins, plenty of other players will probably have no issue with it since engaging with Goblins has been something we've done in Warcraft since the RTS games. None of that has any bearing on a Goblin location being a possibility for future content.

[Nightshade711]

Are you sure that isn't just Uldum?

I'm not trying to sound hostile or backsass, but that is what Uldum is supposed to be. A city built over a titan facility.

If not then, I don't see why they shouldn't add it in at this point especially with the whole "continent west of Kalimdor"

Don’t think so but I might be wrong. I do know that it had one of the existing Uld-names before they were reused. Either Ulduar or Uldum I think.
If I remember correctly the Titan continent was bigger than Kalimdor in original concept too.

But yeah I think it could be cool if it’s part of what we get west of Kalimdor. Maybe as the remaining Uldaz or something.

EDIT: Found It

[Auxis]

There was also the massive continent sized Titan facility/city south of Kalimdor that hasn’t been added

Are you sure that isn't just Uldum?

I'm not trying to sound hostile or backsass, but that is what Uldum is supposed to be. A city built over a titan facility.

If not then, I don't see why they shouldn't add it in at this point especially with the whole "continent west of Kalimdor"

What's the source on this? Is it mentioned ingame in a Titan log or something?

[Teriz]

EDIT: Found It

More than likely "Ulduar" became multiple titan facilities around Azeroth (which is why they all share the "Uld" in their names, and Ulduar itself got put in Northrend), and they attached the landmass to Kalimdor.

And yeah, it's important to note that Undermine is on that map, and was on pretty much every early WoW map.

[Juanen11]

Blizzcon 2023:
Warcraft 3 Re-reforged
WoW Classic: Cataclysm
WoW: Legacy of the Titans
Revamped Northrend + 3 zones of Avaloren
Underground Azjol-Nerub zone.
Amirdrassil capital city.
Revamped Secondary Professions
Class agnostic "Torghast"
Many new race customizations for all except Dracthyr
All classes for all races except DH and Evoker
Account wide reputations
Account wide bank
Blood Mage, Fel DH, Void Priest (Support)
Earthbound Shaman (Tank)
Ambusher Rogue (Ranged DPS)
Vyranoth Betrayer, loyal to Iridikron and Xal'athat
Galakrond.
Khaz'goroth, Agrammar and Golganneth sent to re-order Azeroth with the help of the remaining Keepers.
Clash between Void, Order and us in the middle.
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