The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[micwini]

And we have gone full circle and back with the revamp debate.

Damn right we are. At least it is about 11.0 speculation instead of old lore or tinkers

[Nymrohd]

I think best part to me of it will be actual capital inside ED, and connected via Dream Portals to Azeroth. In Hyjal, Shaladrassil and Amirdrassil. Maybe more.
Safe zone only for NE. And strong presence in Azeroth. Imagine army from portal as from Avengers: Endgame finale. That would be sick.

But how would it make sense as a safe zone for Night Elves only? What makes it safe when we just saw Fyrakk invading it?

[Pyrophax]

But how would it make sense as a safe zone for Night Elves only? What makes it safe when we just saw Fyrakk invading it?

With Druids of the Flame either killed or at our side - why not. Only way to our ED is from portals, or by help of enemy druids. And all druids rather dead or at our side.
Ofcourse some shenanigans can be made to break into capital, but same can be told about any capital or zone.

[Wangming]

Damn right we are. At least it is about 11.0 speculation instead of old lore or tinkers

I mean your argument is one of the reasons why I want a revamp.

[ercarp]

With Druids of the Flame either killed or at our side - why not. Only way to our ED is from portals, or by help of enemy druids. And all druids rather dead or at our side.
Ofcourse some shenanigans can be made to break into capital, but same can be told about any capital or zone.

Apparently there have been some indications in the lore that the Emerald Dream may not just be an Azeroth thing. Therefore beings from other planets or dimensions could potentially invade it as well.

[Dracullus]

I don't think anyone is expecting Undermine to be able to provide content for an entire expansion. In all likelihood, it would be either a new capital city, a raid, or a patch location. Knowing Blizzard, I would bet my money on them turning it into a raid.

You could literally said same thing about Broken Isles after Frozen Throne. They could make continent even from banana island. How? Simple - as always 1 zone will be something you know, 3-4 zones will be something completely different. We have gone through this in TBC, Wrath, Legion.

Again, have some imagination people. Azeroth is not real world with its limitations.

[Delever]

Dont know if this has been posted already as I saw 25 more pages from where I left off but it looks like blizzcon goodies were anounced and the algarian stormrider looks to be an elemental.
Since they openly showed this I m guessing its not necessarily tied to the expansion? Unless I am mistaken and this is not the algarian stormrider.

[Hitei]

Makes more sense to revisit the outdated originals than to visit another random made up area or a continent sized cave. It is hard to be attached to areas if you are just hopping to the next new random island and never going back.
No one cares about "Avaloren", or "Khaz Algar". The only one of those 3 that has been mentioned in early lore is Undermine and that really doesn't offer much variety for an entire continent.

No one cares about 95% of EK or Kalimdor either. That's why nearly every fake leak for revamps is the same "what if Lordaeron" idea.

[Delever]

This is from like a week and 300 pages ago.

Oh I see. Please ignore this then I had not seen it. This thread is moving too fast to keep up.

[Wangming]

Apparently there have been some indications in the lore that the Emerald Dream may not just be an Azeroth thing. Therefore beings from other planets or dimensions could potentially invade it as well.

Well that doesn't make it any more unsafe than the lest of the planet, does it?

[Makorus]

Dont know if this has been posted already as I saw 25 more pages from where I left off but it looks like blizzcon goodies were anounced and the algarian stormrider looks to be an elemental.
Since they openly showed this I m guessing its not necessarily tied to the expansion? Unless I am mistaken and this is not the algarian stormrider.

That's not the Algarian Stormrider.

The Algarian Stormrider is from the Deluxe Edition.

[ercarp]

You could literally said same thing about Broken Isles after Frozen Throne. They could make continent even from banana island. How? Simple - as always 1 zone will be something you know, 3-4 zones will be something completely different. We have gone through this in TBC, Wrath, Legion.

Again, have some imagination people. Azeroth is not real world with its limitations.

It's easier to do that with islands since there's a lot more potential for variety. Undermine is completely underground and we already have a pretty good description of what it should look like. It's certainly big, but it's not big big. What you're proposing is comparable to turning Gnomeregan into the setting of an entire expansion.

[Hitei]

Oh I see. Please ignore this then I had not seen it. This thread is moving too fast to keep up.

That's not the Algarian Stormrider, it's the Bound Blizzard mount. The Stormrider comes with 11.0's heroic edition.

[ercarp]

Dont know if this has been posted already as I saw 25 more pages from where I left off but it looks like blizzcon goodies were anounced and the algarian stormrider looks to be an elemental.
Since they openly showed this I m guessing its not necessarily tied to the expansion? Unless I am mistaken and this is not the algarian stormrider.

I thought so too at first since there's a similar-looking Stormrider NPC in the game, but they've already given the name for the mount shown in the image. It's called the Bound Blizzard, not the Algarian Stormrider.

[Makorus]

Imo it's time to drop timer from Mythic+ 2-15. Two major changes happened in S2 of Shadowlands: official rating and overall nerf to dungeons, so now people who push them play 20+ and Keystone Master become participation reward.

Personally I love M0 dungeons on release of expansion and hate playing content with timer (doesn't matter how forgiving it is, it's about existence of timer), so I would play a lot more dungeon I could just casualy gear through seasonal dungeons.

I mean, without a timer, people are still gonna rush through. Doesn't really solve anything.

[ercarp]

Well that doesn't make it any more unsafe than the lest of the planet, does it?

Yeah, suppose not.

[Enrif]

Look at it this way.

Disorder (the Burning Legion etc).
Death (the Scourge etc).
Shadow (the Old Gods etc).

Those are the three main enemy factions of WoW, beginning all the way back in the RTS games. Each of them had their own expansion in the early days (TBC, WotLK, and Cata). Then we got MoP, which according to Metzen was an intentional break from all of that. (Although as we also know in hindsight, MoP did kinda get WoD started as well.)

What happens over the next decade is that each story keeps going until it ends.

So Disorder keeps going until Legion. You've got demons in virtually every expansion until then, but then we barely hear anything about them.

Death keeps going until Shadowlands. Then it meets the same fate, and steps off the train. Don't hear much about Death these days.

Shadow, the final one, has had the chance to keep building throughout all these years. So we've had Old Gods, different cults, Deathwing shenanigans, and all sorts of stuff. And of course Titans as well, their antithesis.

Now, with 11.0, it'll finally be time for Shadow to meet its demise. That story will end after all these years.

What comes next is anyone's guess. I'm assuming all these cosmic forces will still play a role, but hopefully with new and exciting stories that aren't just continuations from Warcraft 1, 2, and 3.

That is a pattern you may wish to see but isn't backed by any facts.

I could go a whole different way that sounds as plausible, if not more so then the trilogy idea.

Example: Faction War + Old Gods is a common theme in WoW

Classic: Faction War stuff in Silithus + C'thun
WotLK: Faction War stuff after the Wrath Gate + Yogg'Saron
Cata: Faction War Stuff + N'zoth empowered Deathwing
MoP: Faction War + Y'sharj empowered Garrosh
BfA: Faction War + N'Zoth

This is such a common thread in WoW and goes through all Azeroth based Expansions. Only BC, WoD and SL had no real faction war + old god stuff.

DF breaks this mold a bit, we don't have any old god stuff currently, but seem to go more toward cosmic void instead of old gods, and faction war is, as of now, not a thing anymore.

[ercarp]

Almost makes me want to consider dropping all the hectic content and just focus on like... pet battles, gathering and stuff like that.

I had a bit of a pet battle phase near the tail end of BfA. I was just going around collecting pets all over the world, it was very relaxing (and I'm not even a huge fan of pet battles). Highly recommend it.

[Izalla]

Yeah that was weird. Winter Queen, but no winter. Imagine if Ardenweald were divided into four sections, each representing a season and all havint different aesthetics and queens. I know it is winter Queen cause winter=natura dies=death. But the zone it self was not wintery.

And yes, Ardenweald spilling over on one side, a small pocket of nightmare corruption on another....a lot could have been done to spice up the dream.

They could have structured it so it is autumn when you enter the zone, and becomes steadily more winterized the closer you get to the center, and in the VERY center had the tiniest hint of spring (little flowers poking up through the snow or something like that). Or little spring themed pockets (but only a hint of spring as it is the death side of things) where they tend to the souls. Maybe the spring assets are only around the seed pod things when a spirit is about to be reborn.

It could have been a very beautiful zone that represented autumn and winter instead of being just another forest. It was a gorgeous zone but I find the aesthetic is better saved for night elves.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Essentially, WoW needs Torghast back with diverse aesthetics, it’s own separate reward structure, and not to be forced into it if you don’t want to do it.

Probably not something that goes with your idea, i guess you have your own premise of something torghast like but i was thinking about corruption/nightmare like towers, without trash but with bosses on every floor.

Like let's imagine a scenario where Void(or x baddies) attacks certain lands and drop these big towers corrupting the land, that up to 3 players can enter(it scales if solo), you have to go through some floors to finally defeat the last one and make the tower disappear from the land in your phase, getting rewards at the end.

Kinda like Mortal kombat towers that have different fighter on each floor, with the baddest and hardest one in the end.