The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Izalla]

At least Teriz likes the game.

[MCMLXXXII]

If you're just going to talk about how much you hate the game then you posting here 3 times per page should be considered vandalism.

Wouldn't call it vandalism but rather an unhealthy obsession.

[Kiria]

This isn't so weird. Streamers who spend all their time leveling characters periodically delete a ton of characters.

But I would say as someone who plays both Wrath & DF: The wrath players are constantly complaining about retail...even though they haven't played Dragonflight at all. There's such strong nostalgia blindness because Wrath is far from perfect.

I hate WoW so much I said a few pages ago I loved retail WoW;

Yes, I bash WoW on every post, seriously stop coping, I love retail but im a realist you guys are just being stupid.

You can't criticize something you love without being called a pure hater here, what backwards logic...

I have also not bashed anyone for enjoying WoW, Why the F are you people putting words into my mouth, if something I have said has deeply hurt you I apologise but I have not criticized you for enjoying the game at all, I have only said I would not like certain thing to happen and it would stop me from playing.

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Wouldn't call it vandalism but rather an unhealthy obsession.

Reported for trolling because you are literally making assumptions without reading posts.

Also, I will log off now because some of you are losing it here and it's seriously showing the unhealthy side of this forum.

[Catastrophy349]

It’s interesting to see “what direction” players want to see retail go in. I love the speculation on this thread. Looking forward to BlizzCon 2023!

[Darkarath]

Come on we all love WoW to bits in this forum, but it is natural to talk about our worries about the game. It is clearly a delicate moment for WoW. It is an almost 20 year old game. What it has achieved and what it still manages to achieve is insane, but if Blizzard does not play its cards well with 11.0 its downfall could be swift.

[AngerFork]

Today the great purge happened, I went from 36 characters down to 3, no attatchments.

Impressive! I got myself down from like 46 to 40, but haven't done nearly the amount you have.

How does it feel after the purge?

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, I was abit disappointed when I didnt get it, but my sub ends at the end of Nov if the expansion announcement is trash to me then I wont be renewing so its not a big loss,

Will I be sad? Yes who wouldnt,
Can I move on? Certainly I have over 1600 games in my backlog to play.



I know for a fact I wouldnt enjoy it, while I enjoyed Vash'jir in Cata I hated Deepholm and then Zaralek came and I've hated that place too.

Tbh, I don't think they will do a "Zaralek Caverns" expansion so soon after this patch. It would be like "Orc/Daemon" fatigue but worse. Deepholm atleast was nice looking with the lightning and crystals, but ZC is just depressing as hell.

[Nymrohd]

Only because ESO is already f2p.

? ESO is buy to play. You have to buy the game and buy the expansions and even buy the DLCs. You don't need to sub but it is not f2p.

[Sondrelk]

It’s interesting to see “what direction” players want to see retail go in. I love the speculation on this thread. Looking forward to BlizzCon 2023!

More focus on cosmetics and various ways to gather them is my hope. More ways to consume old content in new ways also wouldnt hurt.
Timewalking needs to be more in-depth, and preferably incorporate old zones and systems as well as the dungeons and raids.

Ship based expansion might be a bust now that BfA is done, but maybe the backside of Azeroth could be the South Seas expansion I always wanted.

[Nymrohd]

Come on we all love WoW to bits in this forum, but it is natural to talk about our worries about the game. It is clearly a delicate moment for WoW. It is an almost 20 year old game. What it has achieved and what it still manages to achieve is insane, but if Blizzard does not play its cards well with 11.0 its downfall could be swift.

I think very few people even realize that the next patch is the last major content patch for DF. When that sinks in, the reaction will be negative unless there is a very compelling expansion reveal to go with it.

[Raetary]

Idk how popular that would be, but if the next expansion puts focus on the World Soul, it'd be good if Azeroth gets to actually interact with us rather than through Magni.

They don't have to give her a full fledged personality, or model, or set voice actor, but she's supposed to be a character we are meant to feel protective of but because the only interaction we get with her is through Magni, she feels completely detached and non-existent.

Just some distorted words and whispers like with Argus would be enough.
Give me something to latch on to.

[Lady Atia]

I think very few people even realize that the next patch is the last major content patch for DF. When that sinks in, the reaction will be negative unless there is a very compelling expansion reveal to go with it.

Why? New Expansion announcements are always more hype than patch reveals. Most normies buy the Expansion, play the initial and maybe last patch and that's it. And there is literally no reason to drag the Expansion out with another raid now that we have the chill fated system anyways.

[Nymrohd]

Idk how popular that would be, but if the next expansion puts focus on the World Soul, it'd be good if Azeroth gets to actually interact with us rather than through Magni.

If we have to go through another expac with Magni's voice acting in every other world quest, I'm out.

[Teriz]

IMO the only way of getting an Underground expansion (we are not getting one, but just for the sake of discussion) would be if it is just another continent, but underground, with its own sea surrounding it, its own peculiar very big and open sky which we cannot reach.

Undermine is a massive port/trade city, so it is likely surrounded by an underground sea that leads to the ocean. In addition, I could see how it would be possible to have openings in Undermine’s ceiling that allows air travel in an out of the cavern, so it’s entirely possible that portions of the sky are visible from the city.

[Houle]

Don’t think so but I might be wrong. I do know that it had one of the existing Uld-names before they were reused. Either Ulduar or Uldum I think.
If I remember correctly the Titan continent was bigger than Kalimdor in original concept too.

But yeah I think it could be cool if it’s part of what we get west of Kalimdor. Maybe as the remaining Uldaz or something.

EDIT: Found It

Every time i see this map and get reminded that Nazjatar has been planned since 1999, i get more angry about the little speck of dirt they presented to us as Nazjatar in BfA.

[Sondrelk]

Why? New Expansion announcements are always more hype than patch reveals. Most normies buy the Expansion, play the initial and maybe last patch and that's it. And there is literally no reason to drag the Expansion out with another raid now that we have the chill fated system anyways.

It's always more exciting with a new expansion, but that doesnt override everything about the new patch. People would still be expecting 10.3 if only on the basis that only failed expansions end with two major patches.
Blizzard could soothe those worries if they either have a massive 11.0 worth the missing patch, or late summer expansion release. But you would still have those that consider DF failed, and likely the new standard, which also means all future expansions will be failed.

[Paula Deen]

Every time i see this map and get reminded that Nazjatar has been planned since 1999, i get more angry about the little speck of dirt they presented to us as Nazjatar in BfA.

While its appropriate to reminisce about what could have been it is a grand disservice to the most unique landmass, arguably besides maybe Skywall, that WoW has ever seen. Nazjatar is truly a breathtaking place in Retail and honestly, even looking at this map, it was never supposed to be more than a 'speck of dirt'. I, personally, was not a fan of the place and I really was not a big fan of BFA as a whole, but I think it is unfair to say its just a speck of dirt.



Edit: I also love the little ideas you can visualize on that map that were repurposed. The Ulduar Bay becoming Azshara on Retail. The Maelstrom looking much more like a scar on the world. The Tomb of Sargeras location. Kalimdor as a whole being eventually merged with 'Ulduar'. Its a truly interesting piece of art.

[Wangming]

I meeaaan...

In BfA, they gave you diaper gnome Island instead of Undermine, Nazjatar as a dry dock instead of a vast underwater realm, and Kul Tiras + Zandalar without including Tel'Abim, Plunder Isle, etc.

They love giving players what they want, but with a creative spin so large that in the end, players aren't really sure they got what they wanted.

Void Elves instead of High Elves, Kul Tiran instead of Vrykul, "Junker Gnomes" instead of true Mechagnomes, etc.

You forgot Ny'alotha as a weird dreamland instead of literally anything players asked for.

[Ersula]

Undermine is a massive port/trade city, so it is likely surrounded by an underground sea that leads to the ocean. In addition, I could see how it would be possible to have openings in Undermine’s ceiling that allows air travel in an out of the cavern, so it’s entirely possible that portions of the sky are visible from the city.

Kezan is the port/trade city capital of the Undermine & that's already in the game. Weren't we supposed to assume the Cataclsym made both uninhabitable? Undermine went the way of Pompeii

Tbh, I don't think they will do a "Zaralek Caverns" expansion so soon after this patch. It would be like "Orc/Daemon" fatigue but worse. Deepholm atleast was nice looking with the lightning and crystals, but ZC is just depressing as hell.

This is true, but they also would have been so far into developing 11.0 by the time Zaralek came out that it wouldn't have changed anything if they already decided on that setting. But you can do a lot with an Underdark setting. Zaralek was just the most generic of caves.

As you can see i'm of two minds regarding an underground expansion.

[Paula Deen]

You forgot Ny'alotha as a weird dreamland instead of literally anything players asked for.

Ny'alotha was always speculated to be some place only accessible by sleep as far back as its structured (in a sentence) existence in Legion. What did you think it was besides a lair of the old gods?

Kezan is the port/trade city capital of the Undermine & that's already in the game. Weren't we supposed to assume the Cataclsym made both uninhabitable? Undermine went the way of Pompeii

Yes BUT Gallywix has been missing for some time by now, I could see him doing some Siegecrafter Blackfuse shit with Azerite and building himself a glittering continent of gold.